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#560613 - 06/03/01 04:27 PM Not a rant (for once..) atleast I'll try really hard *G*  
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Ok...

After reading some posts... I've been thinking about this a little. In the constitution there is the big 'freedom of speech' thing right? Isn't there also something in that same bit of paper about the freedom not to speak? In the past I've chosen the former because I felt that it was something that had to be discussed so that Typhoon could be improved on... after seeing a 'request' by the boards admin not to express negativity over the game I decided to stop... reason basically being that if you didnt enjoy the game you shouldnt be in the forum (mis quote.. I'm lazy this afternoon). I'm more than slightly annoyed with this:

1. you read a good review... you buy the game? you read a bad review... you think again?

2. DiD were very tight lipped over this game and if I dig around long enough I think I could find a preview in a well rated Uk magazine that suggested possibly more than 10 times that this would be the sucessor to EF2000 (2 page preview.. lots of luvrly high res pictures);

since that preview I heard nothing at all until I asked in EB if it had been released... I pass electronics boutique several times a day when going/comming from college and I've never even seen it on their pre-release boards nevermind on the big banners they use.... (in between that I asked in EB if they had even heard of the game and was told no... he checked his big book and told me that it wasnt even planned for release for this summer. (simply because it wasnt on the list !)

I started reading this board because I asked the guy about it and he went up the back and took it off the top shelf.. I took the position that DiD obviously knew what they were doing by their previous efforts and like every new game... I got really excited and could hardly wait to come home and play this masterpiece... I felt I had no reason to read the boards, my mistake.

If you refer to the introduction of this again... the administrators request 'minimal' negative content... hmmm I'll let you make up your own minds on that one.

ok...

I had a 'discussion' with a few people a little while ago and they suggested that the simple fact there were 4000 msgs in this forum meant that Typhoon must be a good game.. I'm confused to this since 49 on just one recent thread of this board (now standing at over 5000) was over an interesting argument about someones 'rant' and had nothing really to do with Typhoon apart from his/hers honest opinion (all be it a bad one).

I agree that repetative posts about the same issues are annoying especially when those issues (usually bugs) will probaly get fixed a month or so later.. after all, patience is a virtue right? I'll agree that trollers are also annoying... OTOH I'll definetly agree that everyone is entitled to speak... or not to speak their own opinions.

I have some simple questions to everyone on the board... possibly a poll if you wish? though maybe that would be asking too much.

how many of you reading this can honestly say that what they bought was:

A: what you thought you paid for

B: worth what they paid for

C: plan on playing without addon for the forseeable future.

(saying that it will/wont be on you hdisk as long as TAW doesnt count... TAW has amassed a following over the years that only the creme of flight sims usually get... comparing this to Typhoon after its initial release is unfair to Typhoon IMHO because Typhoon is still so 'innocent'. (revised since first reply due to fairness...)

four things that hang a lot on this is are:

1: Did you play D.i.Ds games before Typhoon.. if so what were you expecting from typhoon?

2: how long have you had typhoon ?

3: have you completed the campaign ?

4: counting TAW/EF2000/Falcon4 and the likes as a 'heavy sim' would you say that you were a litesim fan or a heavy sim fan?


My personal opinion is that I was misled.. either by A: Rage, B: DiD, C: EB Or D: that magazine... I'm not placeing the blame on either one because in all honesty I dont think I could even if I wanted to. I was not mislead by the board because I rarely read it until I bought the game.

That is my opinion... I dont wish to start a flame war and I'd rather not have it commented on because it is from my experience only... I will though, in future look closer in to what the differences are between a 'litesim' and a 'arcade' game I've read quite a few times here that TAW by some is counted as a litesim... I dont share that view.. but again that is my personal opinion... I count Harpoon as a hardcore sim for example...

I haven't slandered Typhoon here... and if it suggests I have then I am not the one suggesting it should be.

I'm not ranting at typhoon so please, nobody take advantage of this post and add on their own in game annoyances.. doing so might re-arrouse the whole sim/litesim argument *G*

Its not an annoyances I'm looking for...

just an overall verdict taking everything into account...

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#560614 - 06/03/01 04:45 PM Re: Not a rant (for once..) atleast I'll try really hard *G*  
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how many of you reading this can honestly say that what they bought was:

A: what you thought you paid for

B: worth what they paid for

C: plan on playing without addon for the forseeable future.

1: Did you play D.i.Ds games before Typhoon.. if so what were you expecting from typhoon?

2: how long have you had typhoon ?

3: have you completed the campaign ?

4: counting TAW/EF2000/Falcon4 and the likes as a 'heavy sim' would you say that you were a litesim fan or a heavy sim fan?


my answers...

A: no...
B: no... (for a couple of hours, yes!)
C: no...

1: yes, I enjoyed them more than any other game I've bought... I wasnt expecting something as good as EF2k/TAW but I was expecting something along those lines.

2: more than a month and a half

3: no... though I have tried desperatly to find reasons to do so since I respect DiD so much... already knowing that no matter what I do it ends one way or another depending on the last two levels has kerbed that enthusiasm... and the lack of other features other than the campaign has turned my attention back to such games as EECH and Falcon 4.

4. apparantly, because I really like TAW then I must be a heavy sim fan.... I loved Strike commander to death however... so ... hmmmmm not sure on that one.

:-) Ian


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#560615 - 06/03/01 05:11 PM Re: Not a rant (for once..) atleast I'll try really hard *G*  
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I totaly agree with what you said Vaider-Raider since *everyone* is entitled to share their good and bad point's of a game.
That way, people take small snippet's off of the opinions of "other's"(good or bad) and build a picture of whether the game would idealy suit them or not.

A magazine review is pointless since it is *one* person's couple-of-hours-fly-about....The big picture is made up of a majority don't you agree?

That way the developer's listen and hopefully improve/learn since they themselves can suffer from "tunnel vision" during a games development cycle due to the BETA testing being generaly behind closed door's.

The full impact is only felt once the game is released and -as in the case of a flight sim- many hours put into it!

Think of it like a film....if the end still captivates you like the beginning, then you'll be on the look-out for the follow-up


OT here: the B17-2 forum is/was full to the brim of "Negative" comment's(MUCH worse than what has been posted here!)which did *nothing* for the community.....but none were ever stopped by Sim staff, why??

I and many other's tried our best to help the few that could be bothered wading through those ridiculous childish comments(most of which were the customary Hasblo {guess what goes here..........} asking for help.
Sure the sim has problem's -especialy the "corrupted" dialogue file..hmmmm i said my piece about that!....but then so does nearly every sim inc Typhoon?

Eventualy i got *sick* of bothering to go into THAT forum every again.
Now it's more or less dead and those member's are on bombs-away...(not the way it should have happened)

I thought it was SimHQ's policy to stop that?
If so what went wrong with the admin on that forum? It just say's SimHQ's staff????

No it's not an argument or flame just a disappointed "too little too late for B-17 2 forum fan"

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#560616 - 06/03/01 05:53 PM Re: Not a rant (for once..) atleast I'll try really hard *G*  

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My answer to those points would be No to all three as well.

Admittedly, perhaps I was expecting Typhoon to be something it wasn't, but I think the original design of Typhoon is what lets it down.

Personally, I prefer games that are realistic, or at least, realistic from my point of view.

Only a few games have managed to give me this experience, EF2000, H&D, ProjectIGI (but this was let down due to no multiplayer, huge scripting reliance (although it was a FPS admittedly, so a campaign wouldn't have worked)).

These games I play again, and again, and again, even though H&D and Project IGI are just scripted. It's because they try to be as realistic as possible, while STILL being easy to play and use.

The next game I'm eagerly awaiting is Operation Flashpoint. A lot of people originally though Wargasm would have been like this, but that too became simplistic.

As far as I'm concerned, Operation Flashpoint will be one fantastic game, allowing you to control all sorts of vehicles, some aircraft, and troops - set in the latter stages of the cold war with REALISTIC hardware and weapons.



Who could want more...

Cheers,
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#560617 - 06/03/01 06:28 PM Re: Not a rant (for once..) atleast I'll try really hard *G*  
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Tracer[formerly of CS]:


A magazine review is pointless since it is *one* person's couple-of-hours-fly-about....The big picture is made up of a majority don't you agree?


I totally agree... the main reason for this poll. I only read the SimHQ review and took no heed of the rating by PC Arena on the Uk box.. I was baseing my enthusiasm to buy soley on the latest DiD title their reputation and the unlimitied enjoyment I've had over the years soaring the sky even with 'litesims' such as TFX.

I could begin to say that Rage used this reputation to their advantage since a lot of events seem to fall into place with this... I wont though... if that were true then I shouldnt have been so stupid in the first place and also... after all the fun I've had.. I just cant believe DiD would do that *G*. I dont believe in mag reviews... but I do read previews for tidbits and eyecandy.

Think of it like a film....if the end still captivates you like the beginning, then you'll be on the look-out for the follow-up

I think you are right... I'm gagging to see the 2nd and third matrix !!!!!!!!!

I dont however believe in paying 30 for another 4 days... has the Microsoft tingle to it.. again IMHO.

OT here: the B17-2 forum is/was full to the brim of "Negative" comment's(MUCH worse than what has been posted here!)which did *nothing* for the community.....

I too bought that game *lol* I played B-17 while the smoke was practically spewing out of my amiga power pack !. B-17 II IMO was seriously flawed from the beginning... I played it about 7 times... and then never bothered at all after that nevermind post in the forum *Sigh*. I really enjoyed jumping about the positions to get good views... but I seem to feel it was a bit like Black & White... all candy limited gameplay.. they really really should have taken the fighter part straight out... its far too frustrating to play and IMHO looks half finished... unable to imply the multiplayer functions or not... its sluggishness on a high end pc nailed the coffin on that box.. and thats why I hope that it doesnt happen here also.

It was only until after I had bought B-17 that I read the review here... and that is one review I think should have started warning bells in my head... Typhoon on the other hand I did read... and it didnt stall my enthusiasm at all.

I'm not a fan of the B-17 II game... that really wasnt my kind of sim and I admit that... I wanted it to be though..

Thats the difference I think.... B-17 wasn't my kind of sim... even how much I wanted to get into it.... I didnt post comments on that board because of that simple reality.

Typhoon is my kind of sim... and I'm still trying to get into it.

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Vaider,

My answer to the first 3 questions would be as follows...

a) No.
b) Yes... However that's without comparing it to the features you get for 30 quid in other titles.
c) No.

My answers for the other 4 questions are as follows...

1) Yes, I've been playing DiD games for years. I was expecting Typhoon to carry on the tradition of a feature packed title. However saying that, I was shocked when they released Wargasm.

2) I've had Typhoon since the day before it was released in the UK.

3) Yes.

4) On the whole, a heavy sim fan. The reason... Becuase I like 'simulators' as opposed to games, this may be due to my age?


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#560619 - 06/03/01 06:58 PM Re: Not a rant (for once..) atleast I'll try really hard *G*  
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Originally posted by Manteau:
The next game I'm eagerly awaiting is Operation Flashpoint. A lot of people originally though Wargasm would have been like this, but that too became simplistic.

As far as I'm concerned, Operation Flashpoint will be one fantastic game, allowing you to control all sorts of vehicles, some aircraft, and troops - set in the latter stages of the cold war with REALISTIC hardware and weapons.

Who could want more...

Cheers,
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OFP is a very simple-to-get-into game and the best interface for controlling men vehicles that i have come across.

Wargasm
EB-Electronic Battlefield as it was first called. Remember that? The ability to download future vehicles etc.... failed me in that i was so taken aback by the ability to command troop's/vehicles etc (from FP) that i went all "tactical" with it Hiding behind rock's and trying to creep up on enemy positions........when of course the enemy had the ability to send in bombers/helo's *without* first sending in spy plane's
This of course meant that you were wiped out as soon as you set your forces on the bloody map! (so much for tactics) The AI attacked you *without* you first being detected by them.............

I got the excellent savegame editor that allowed you to set as many types of troops/vehicles that you wanted before going into battle........i still got wiped out.
If it had had the AI of OFP whereby it waited/detected/hunted for you then it would have been a classic?

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Quote:
Originally posted by Tracer[formerly of CS]:
OFP is a very simple-to-get-into game and the best interface for controlling men vehicles that i have come across.

Wargasm
EB-Electronic Battlefield as it was first called. Remember that? The ability to download future vehicles etc.... failed me in that i was so taken aback by the ability to command troop's/vehicles etc (from FP) that i went all "tactical" with it Hiding behind rock's and trying to creep up on enemy positions........when of course the enemy had the ability to send in bombers/helo's *without* first sending in spy plane's
This of course meant that you were wiped out as soon as you set your forces on the bloody map! (so much for tactics) The AI attacked you *without* you first being detected by them.............

I got the excellent savegame editor that allowed you to set as many types of troops/vehicles that you wanted before going into battle........i still got wiped out.
If it had had the AI of OFP whereby it waited/detected/hunted for you then it would have been a classic?

Tracer



I still play Wargasm, but only at LANs, due to the fact that multiplayer only let you be one unit at once which was rediculous, as in single player, you could control multiple units C&C style (well, almost) from the map screen.

It's physics engine was really good (well, the troopers also had the same vehicle type physics modelling - it was funny watching them skid in the same way as tanks) and the graphics were fantastic.

Some of the latter single player missions were pathetic though, with loads and loads of the same type of vehicle in a small area.

I've actually managed to complete Wargasm without the cheats or without modifying the saved games

Yeah, the AI was dodgy, they'd just go straight for you (sometimes they'd even just stay on one side of a river and not both going across using a bridge) and in the choppers, whenever I popped over a hill, the vehicles were already firing, even though they hadn't seen me yet.

Cheers,
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Originally posted by Vaider-Raider:

how many of you reading this can honestly say that what they bought was:

A: what you thought you paid for

B: worth what they paid for

C: plan on playing without addon for the forseeable future.

1: Did you play D.i.Ds games before Typhoon.. if so what were you expecting from typhoon?

2: how long have you had typhoon ?

3: have you completed the campaign ?

4: counting TAW/EF2000/Falcon4 and the likes as a 'heavy sim' would you say that you were a litesim fan or a heavy sim fan?


A: NO, out of ignorance i expexted something along the lines of SEF2k or TAW

B: YES to a cetain degree, I love the dogfights, but the missions suck they are limeted to CAP, INTERDICTION either take out T90s or destroy Tower at an airfield even if you allready hit that very target 2hrs game time ago, those russians are speedy tower builders, and SUPPLY, and then the scripted missions.

C:NO, without an addon it will be gone in a month, back to EECH.

1: I played TFX, EF2000+TACTCOM, SEF2000, ADF & TAW : My favorites were SEF2000 & TAW still play them.

2: One month.

3: NO, and Im allready bored, I cant stand waiting for missions, then go to briefing for 5 min, then planning for 5 min, then getting into aircraft...............

4: lite or heavy hard to say : I consider flanker 2.5 heavy its too hard to get into, im too lazy I want the best compromize between realism, interactivity and fast paced action with good dogfights.
Im a EECH/TAW/SEF2000 guy I consider them moderate sims they got the right balance.
Typhoon is too light for me, too little interactivity in the planning phase, if it had been up to me thoose ruskies were long gone by now, but I keep getting meaningless missions.

If there was only a way to go directly to dogfights

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#560622 - 06/04/01 12:03 AM Re: Not a rant (for once..) atleast I'll try really hard *G*  
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A. Yes, Being on the EF-2000 list and hanging out here; I already knew what Typhoon was going to be about. Yes, I wasn't aware of certain specfic details, but what I got was I expected.

Rage has said from DAY1 that the hardcore crowd might not be happy with Typhoon. I don't think anyone was mislead. If some people bought the game ASSUMING that is was going to be a sequel of sorts to EF-2000..it's unfortunate. But no where does it say on the (in big bold letters)

"The sequel to that great sim EF-2000"

IMHO there was a lot of information regarding the game before it came out. Some people here and elsewhere already had the game and were giving their opinions. No one here now (who could have been here before reading up on the game) could have been going into this purchase blind.

B. Considering I'm actually playing it; yes it was worth it. I can't honestly say that about some other games/sim that I've bought in the past year. To me that's really the only way I can gauge worth.

C. I will play the game for as long as it remains enjoyable. Might be one more time (haven't finished it once yet) or mabye twice. I really do not know. It will be judged like any other game I own.

(as for this TAW following. Well where exactly has this following been. Seems to have been hiding. Then someone mods the resolution to 1024x768 and they all come out of the woodwork. Like suddenly it became OK to like the game. Too bad this all this TAW love didn't happen after the game was actually released. Might have helped it live longer. And yes..I've owned TAW from day one and thought it was great back then)


1. Yes..I've played TAW. I expected from Typhoon exactly what I was told to expect.

2. Since a week after it was released

3. Have not completed the campaign

4. Lite (in some areas) sim fan. I'm more interested in the campaign (and the addition of one in a sim) than the 100% realistic modelling of a plane or it's weapon systems. Give me a hardcore campaign (that works) over anything

The only way anyone was mislead on Typhoon was if they were expecting something (based on previous products) of the game before they bought. Which isn't a way to judge any new product.

The information on what Typhoon was, has been out there for a while. It has been HERE and other sites. The game was never hyped up or sold as something it wasn't.

That's not to say that Typhoon is perfect and that I wasn't dissapointed by certain elements of the game (the wait between flights). But like any sim...thing needs to be tweaked a bit and polished a little.

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(as for this TAW following. Well where exactly has this following been. Seems to have been hiding. Then someone mods the resolution to 1024x768 and they all come out of the woodwork. Like suddenly it became OK to like the game. Too bad this all this TAW love didn't happen after the game was actually released. Might have helped it live longer. And yes..I've owned TAW from day one and thought it was great back then)


This following for TAW has been where its always been; On peoples Hard drives. Who says that people didn't 'love' TAW when it was actually released? The people who bought Falcon 4.0?...Probably. It's a pity people listened to them would be a more accurate statement.

As for TAW not living longer. Seems to be quite healthy today from what I've seen recently.

Even if people are just discovering TAW now, does it matter? As long as they're enjoying it now is what matters.

The beauty about TAW is its appeal. You can fly it for fun aka Typhoon, or you can tactically plan your missions and push buttons in the cockpit if you so desire... It appeals to all.

"Wherever possible, throughout the various aspects of the F22 and AWACS aircraft, detailed functionality has been automated to make the task easier for the novice pilot or commander, but without compromising the wishes of the dedicated flight sim fan for ultimate control. Many parts of our product will look after themselves if the user wishes to concentrate on the action. However, when you are ready, the detailed functions are there for you to explore and enjoy."

-DiD statement about TAW.

Uroboros, I'm glad you liked TAW back then, I hope you still like it today... I do


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I agree with you on TAW..it's a great game. I still have it on my hard drive and played it up to to the time Typhoon came out and will surely go back to it again. Too bad that desire to mod the game (which is a good thing); hadn't happened much earlier in the game's life.

But if Typhoon does turn out to be DID's swan song; then I hope that this love for TAW lives on.

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Vaider,

I was expecting Typhoon to carry on the tradition of a feature packed title. However saying that, I was shocked when they released Wargasm.


quick Q... who published Wargasm? DiD & Infograms? DiD & Rage?

would you have been equally as 'shocked' if you hadnt played wargasm before playing Typhoon?

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i think this pigeon holeing of sims as hardcore and softcore and the users of such , is and always has been so misleading !

i love TAW , and I LOVE age , AND ROCK ON MODDING etc
i have never played TAW properly , by that i mean i have mission dabbled , and i fly it for fun , almost arcade actually !

i get up in the sky and have fun and do some serious damage to the virtual world etc
beauty of taw is that it has different modules that appeal to different users , awacs , campaign x 10 etc

i have said in previous threads my gripes re TYPHOON and MY love of TAW etc , and i have also said , TAW can be light arcade , medium or hard core !

I have flown a number of hardcore sims , dumbed down for arcade fun , FALCON4 , JANES F18 and others - thats there beauty - they are scaleable for all tastes !

and no doubt in the future i will approach LOMAC and FALCON5 , and others in the same play style way !

i am not ashamed to say i even play the namco ace combat series on my playstation 1 , when i want some light simming relief via my big tv !

so my views , and vocalisation over Typhoon can't be taken as some kind of a hard coreist simmers rant , becoz thats not who or what i am !

To me Typhoons flaw is exactly that it is not scalable for the variety of different simmers out there and it has missing essential features , mision editor , too sterile a virtual ground war / units etc , as well as some bugs , usb joystick etc , bad smart cameras etc !

There ssems to be a growing clamour of people who are saying , yep ill play it for a month , or i have shelved it coz , of cutscenes , too much pool playing , too much watching of the bad smart cameras etc etc -

to be brutally frank , i think this is a really sad state of affairs , i want to really love this sim , and to basically be off this board , and be spending hours playing it , not posting - oh i wish x y z !

thats the truth , ideally i would have tonight liked to have been building a mission for typhoon , and then came on here to say , here chaps , heres my kick arse and fun mision i made , give it a fly and have fun !

i really really really hope typhoon gets opened up and enhanced real quick , becoz june 15 is approaching for Flashpoint ,and i am convinced after playing 100 demo missions of that , i am going to have my head shoved into that game for a long time !

I already have OFP mission building ideas on paper , and low and behold it comes with the fully featured mission builder , that the developer used to build the game , sweet !


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Let me clarify a few things:

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Vaider-Raider:
Ok...

After reading some posts... I've been thinking about this a little. In the constitution there is the big 'freedom of speech' thing right? Isn't there also something in that same bit of paper about the freedom not to speak?


You may need to do a little research here, but a privately held operation makes their own rules ... basically freedom of speech is what the owner allows. That is a plain and simple rule of business. You can be fired from you job for ranting and raving and cursing just like you can be banned from posting here. No difference. This board is a service - a privilege, not a right, abuse the privilege - you lose it. Those who decry freedom of speech are fooling themselves. Add to that that the constitution does not apply to non-US citizens, using that as a crutch alienates about half of our readers.

We will pretty much allow any post that is intelligently thought out and worded. Toss in slander, derogatory comments, cursing ... you get the idea .... poof, that post is gone and the poster is warned.

Now, that being said, lets clear up a few more issues. The issue is not voicing problems or dis-satisfaction with this, or any other product, on these boards. It is the presentation. People want to come here and intelligently talk about the issues, that is fine. But what is happening here is people having fits that TYPHOON is not FALCON. There were never any mis-representations about this. From the start DiD/Rage made it clear that this would not be a "hard-core" simmers game. People that claim they could not find this information really didn't look very hard in my opinion.

Then we have folks that want to throw childish tantrums about this or that not working. That sort of post is not tolerated anywhere on these forums. All sims have bugs, nature of the beast. You can easily list what you have found as a bug without acting like a child.

So, before one more person decides they are "not allowed" to post a negative comment on this board ... stop ... think ... and make sure you are not acting like a 3 year old or bitching about a feature of the game that was never promised or intended.

Let me answer your poll for you:

A: what you thought you paid for

Yep.

B: worth what they paid for

Yep.

C: plan on playing without addon for the forseeable future.

Not really ... even tho I knew what I was buying, Typhoon does not have many qualities I look for in a sim.

(saying that it will/wont be on you hdisk as long as TAW doesnt count... TAW has amassed a following over the years that only the creme of flight sims usually get...

Which is interesting to me. I was involved in the testing of all of the DiD sims thru TAW ... and I thought the ADF/TAW pair was the worst thing they have put out. Then again, I never even tried WARGASM.

1: Did you play D.i.Ds games before Typhoon.. if so what were you expecting from typhoon?

See above, something like 2000 hours in the EF2K family. And I expected what DiD said to expect from Typhoon ... a "lite" sim for the masses.

2: how long have you had typhoon ?

In one form or another, since before its release.

3: have you completed the campaign ?

Nope, see above answers.

4: counting TAW/EF2000/Falcon4 and the likes as a 'heavy sim' would you say that you were a litesim fan or a heavy sim fan?

How you can say those three sims in the same breath is beyond me. They are three seperate levels ... I tend to lean toward the more complex simulations ... I suppose that would be "hard-core" by your definition.

My personal opinion is that I was misled.. either by A: Rage, B: DiD, C: EB Or D: that magazine...

I think you forgot E: Yourself. You expected more than was promised. No offense to printed mags, but this is why the internet is key to purchasing decisions.


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#560628 - 06/04/01 06:11 AM Re: Not a rant (for once..) atleast I'll try really hard *G*  
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If you guys are looking for more realism from the hardware in Operation Flashpoint then you get with Typhoon then you should be prepared to be disappointed again.

I wanted to add a few things here as well. I don't want people to get the idea that criticisms are not welcome for any reason. I want to come and see if I would like a game here as much as anyone else and if negative comments were not allowed I don't see how one could get that view. I also don't want to have to come wade through piles of garbage posts that are nothing more then bitching about what a developer should have made or could have made. These same ideas can be expressed through constructive criticism.


This kind of comment isn't what we want to see here:
what the hell kind of a crap game models a plane without having real world weapons systems working as they should. I mean how the hell am I to know what launch parameters in the game are if they do not match real life specs. I am going to toss this game if this isn't fixed.

The same idea can be sent with a better post:
I wonder why, if the weapons capabilities were changed for gameplay sake then why were their in game capabilities not listed in the manual. Has anyone figured out what the in game launch parameters are to have reasonable success with them?

The first post invites fights from people who like the game and stands a very good chance of going down the tubes really fast. The second invites discussion on the topic and maybe even a resolution to the issue. People will still understand that you are not happy with a part of the game and maybe they will be willing to work on a fix.

Just a few things to think about, I don't want people feeling uncomfortable posting when they are looking for fixes to a game that needs them.

As far as things go with other forums, like the B-17 2 forum. We are all still getting used to the growth around here, we are trying to keep all the forums stable but we are learning as we go. Sometimes mistakes are made, feel free to e-mail us if you think we are making one.

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#560629 - 06/04/01 01:54 PM Re: Not a rant (for once..) atleast I'll try really hard *G*  

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re flashpoint , after playing 100 web demo missions i know what to expect thanks , and its sweet !

i am not a hard coreist , im a gamer and a virtual world explorer - hey i like that its catchy

i dislike typhoon in its current form , not becoz it too arcadey or light , but because it is too sterile , with not enough player options , the main one for me - no ability to make my own missions !

am i not the kind of gamer / simmer the sim was made for,- a non hard coreist ??

we can't all be wrong with our feedback on mass , surely ?


#560630 - 06/04/01 02:14 PM Re: Not a rant (for once..) atleast I'll try really hard *G*  
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I know nothiing of EFT, I don't have it. My comments are just based on the way that people are making their points on the boards.

Hey I have the full beta of Op FP, I love it, and the demo is very, very different from the newer builds BTW. Not that this is a bad thing, they just keep making it better. It just sounded like people thought that it was going to be a sim for the hardware part of things, this just isn't the case. It is a great game IMO.

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#560631 - 06/04/01 03:57 PM Re: Not a rant (for once..) atleast I'll try really hard *G*  

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you are a lucky dude ZERO G !

I am camping down at EB on the night before 15th June for my copy for sure

i got my tent / sleeping bag and calor gas burner , and a pack of sausages at the ready , must remember to prick them - don't want any hot fat a flying !

can't wait to play the game , then tinker with the full OFP mission builder !


#560632 - 06/04/01 05:14 PM Re: Not a rant (for once..) atleast I'll try really hard *G*  

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Good idea a poll.

how many of you reading this can honestly say that what they bought was:

A: what you thought you paid for

Yes and no.

B: worth what they paid for

Yes

C: plan on playing without addon for the forseeable future.

No. I am quitting, I have 1-2 hours at night to fly, if I am not working, and I just can't spend half of that time waiting for a mission to be generated. The good part is that even if the mission is generated often it does not make sense. Example, I have enemy units few miles from an AB and the generated mission sends me on a CAP patrol over a zone where there is no enemy presence. What is a dynamic campaign worth if the generated missions are so shallow? I prefer a scripted mission designed by a human mind, full of traps and danger. A la J.F/A-18. Look at Matt Wagners Wallahalla campaign, or at the mission designed by "ZAMBO " a fighter pilot, those are really good stuff! Not those "supply ( ??!!) missions where you fly ove dozens of enemy tanks to escort an helicopter ( !! ) deep in enemy territory. Hallo?

1: Did you play D.i.Ds games before Typhoon.. if so what were you expecting from typhoon?


TFX, EF2000, EF2000 Tactcom, ADF, TAW.

The same immersion, style, realism present in EF 2000, the dynamicity of TAW , the fun of ADF.

2: how long have you had typhoon ?

Since 19 of May

3: have you completed the campaign ?

No, I abandoned one after 2 hours of REAL TIME waiting for a mission to be generated at 22:00 of DAY 3

I am flying another one, I am at DAY 2 20:40 not much going on ( settings are on difficulty 3 )

4: counting TAW/EF2000/Falcon4 and the likes as a 'heavy sim' would you say that you were a litesim fan or a heavy sim fan?

Jane's F/A-18 is "the sim" in my opinion. I also love Falcon and Flanker.
EF 2000 was an HC sim back then, still with a very high fun factor.Because you have control!
I do like HC sims, but I enjoyed also USAF for a while.
A sim does not need to be complicated to be a good sim, a fun one to play I mean. The immersion factor is the most important thing, along with the sensation that you are in control of the game, not the other way around ( see Typhoon)
or that at least you have AMAZING graphics, see USAF.

I knew that EFT would have been a lite sim, and that was ok.

I was jus expecting a lot more control, a la TAW for example.

but that's history.

As someone said " EFT is already a dead horse"

I just hope that the add-on will revive it, otherwise...well there are so many good sims around, and so little time !

have fun.

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