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#558966 - 05/16/01 04:38 PM Re: D3D/OpenGL update/patch for EF2000 ver.2/EF2000 graphics+ PETITION  

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That information is 'need to know' only - sorry!


It's in the intro movie though

*cries*

Or do we just have to play the game and see

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#558967 - 05/16/01 04:38 PM Re: D3D/OpenGL update/patch for EF2000 ver.2/EF2000 graphics+ PETITION  
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#558968 - 05/16/01 04:53 PM Re: D3D/OpenGL update/patch for EF2000 ver.2/EF2000 graphics+ PETITION  
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Manteau,
half of the coutries wont have some of the systems.....though the RAF isn't putting the BK-27 in the production run....whats stopping them taking the cannons out of the then decomissioned GR1's and F-3's, and putting them in then? Or they might do like the Harrier has, on sepparate pods on the underneath???Anyway the RAF's Typhoons will be the most advanced of them...CAPTOR radar, DASS, full ECM suite, IRST. I read somewhere that eventhough the other countries are participating in the projects...I think Germany are going to throw a AGP-65 in theirs? no towed decoys..minimum DASS, and only a small number of IRST sets. So in theory the RAF's Typhoons shouldn't need cannons if the ASRAAM does what it is meant to......but just as the Americans found out in Vietnam......I think the RAF will eventually put cannon on theirs..

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#558969 - 05/16/01 05:00 PM Re: D3D/OpenGL update/patch for EF2000 ver.2/EF2000 graphics+ PETITION  

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Manteau,
half of the coutries wont have some of the systems.....though the RAF isn't putting the BK-27 in the production run....whats stopping them taking the cannons out of the then decomissioned GR1's and F-3's, and putting them in then? Or they might do like the Harrier has, on sepparate pods on the underneath???Anyway the RAF's Typhoons will be the most advanced of them...CAPTOR radar, DASS, full ECM suite, IRST. I read somewhere that eventhough the other countries are participating in the projects...I think Germany are going to throw a AGP-65 in theirs? no towed decoys..minimum DASS, and only a small number of IRST sets. So in theory the RAF's Typhoons shouldn't need cannons if the ASRAAM does what it is meant to......but just as the Americans found out in Vietnam......I think the RAF will eventually put cannon on theirs..



Yeah - good points - I remember hearing about the AGP-65 being used in the German's Typhoon...

heh - I wonder if these *deficiencies* are modelled in Typhoon - as in the German language version of the game...

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#558970 - 05/16/01 05:19 PM Re: D3D/OpenGL update/patch for EF2000 ver.2/EF2000 graphics+ PETITION  

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I would imagine by 2010, the Germans will have said "to hell with it" and shoved in the ECR-90 radar. The AGP-65 - the Hornet radar- is pretty weak. I would also imagine that someone in Gordon Brown's civil service might be made see the light (they cut about 20 million off the RN's fuel budget recently, leaving a bunch of RN ships sitting in port... grrrrr!) about the guns.

Guns should be there as one final safety feature. When all comes to all, and the interceptor is still on your tail, the gun might just make the difference between living and dying, and getting a multi million pound aircraft back.

Gavin

#558971 - 05/16/01 05:20 PM Re: D3D/OpenGL update/patch for EF2000 ver.2/EF2000 graphics+ PETITION  

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When all comes to all, and the interceptor is still on your tail, the gun might just make the difference between living and dying, and getting a multi million pound aircraft back.
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Not to mention the pilot, who's training would have costed a couple of million.

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#558972 - 05/16/01 08:18 PM Re: D3D/OpenGL update/patch for EF2000 ver.2/EF2000 graphics+ PETITION  
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It'd be nice to see some features...like a working cockpit, for example...

But, as the British would say, "not bloody likely."

Such is life.

I've managed to wangle a copy of EFT through Dan's link. $42 bucks, two day FedEx delivery. This should be...interesting...to review for WG. The fact that women were included in got me interested enough to ante up, despite the avionics simplifications. WG got included out of the press distribution, and I didn't have any success with the development team in getting a press contact.

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#558973 - 05/16/01 11:04 PM Re: D3D/OpenGL update/patch for EF2000 ver.2/EF2000 graphics+ PETITION  
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WE (italy) won't have the air to ground Typhoon (probalbly) becouse they will serve in the interceptors squadrons as air dominance fighters but in 10-15 years we'll have to buy others bombers and we'll catch or the Jsf or the Typhoon Air to Ground version.


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#558974 - 05/16/01 11:22 PM Re: D3D/OpenGL update/patch for EF2000 ver.2/EF2000 graphics+ PETITION  
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The Typhoon does both Air to ground and air to air......all you need to do is stick the weapon on the pylon! Why does everyone want the JSF, but can't be bothered to be in the development programme? That is probably the most ugliest plane EVER built (boeing version), they had a mock up on display at Farnborough last year......it resembled a beeched whale.....with a pilot

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#558975 - 05/16/01 11:38 PM Re: D3D/OpenGL update/patch for EF2000 ver.2/EF2000 graphics+ PETITION  

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The Typhoon does both Air to ground and air to air......all you need to do is stick the weapon on the pylon!


LOL! If only, if only, if only... Trust me on this, it's nowhere near as simple as saying "It does air-to-ground - just stick it on the pylon."

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That is probably the most ugliest plane EVER built (boeing version), they had a mock up on display at Farnborough last year......it resembled a beeched whale.....with a pilot


Ah, yes, already christened "the Man scoop".


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#558976 - 05/17/01 02:54 AM Re: D3D/OpenGL update/patch for EF2000 ver.2/EF2000 graphics+ PETITION  

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Personally,

I think RAGE will have blown great big bloody chunks if they:

1. Stick with 'only' the Euroflubber.
DID's multiple evolutions of bug-fixer EF-2000 editions meant diddly all to the very limited release, very poorly marketed, very 'low viz' (blah) U.S. sales. Cult Classic is a death knell. ADF/TAW was it's own failure for being (gads) an 'Out of Africa' sim but it at least brought attention to them as the best of multiple F-22 sims released.

2. Go back to Norway, again.
Damn, I realize it's 'moody' but you people summer holiday in Bermuda to get AWAY from the gloom and the grey.

Don'tcha?

To a blue-sky Ami it's not 'impressively atmospheric' so much as a bad attempt to cover up missing detail (just look at Andy's new camo covering up a basic soapblock airframe, the canopy reflections being the 'highest detail' area on the jet!).

I dunno, I mean maybe Euro's like this kind of crap and I'm not realizing I'm in an all-Euro discussion forum. If so I apologize.

But if you want SERIOUS GLOBAL SALES.

You need to do at least three things:

1. More Types, More Modern, More Operationally _Useful_ in their Diversity.

To me, this just has to be STOVL JSF. Even if it is in RN 'colours' operating off a CV-F. It has never been done. It is stealth and supercruise capable. It has a very unique landing mode. It carries much more restrictive ordnance and yet is sufficiently stealthed as to 'get close' so that you can see targets you blow up. It has some very unique ordnance options coming.

_It is American_. At least partly. And as an X-35=F-24 version is also fairly pretty.

I would also support Tornado and even Gripen (as a BAe sponsored product, why not?) or Mirage 2000-05 for some of the possible theatre options (see next).

But to give another example, Flanker was a loser that tried to sell us on 'advanced' Soviet hardware powered by 1950's avionics, clumsy cockpit controls and capable only of fighting other Russian aircraft in a pissant theatre nobody cared who won or lost in. F2 was the same with slightly less crayola backgrounds and 3rd person victims in the form of the odd Western jet/ship/tank.

_LOMAC_ is set to become a real seller, if only because it gives aircraft types with reasonably accurate modelling that no U.S. company has thought 'worthy' for over a decade. F-14/15/16/A-10.

More international flare. More diversity in operational modes.

If the recent sim-market crash has proven anything it is that _$$$$ count_. And the wider you spread your net in terms of popular interest, the more profit fish you can drag into the company boat.

2. Pick REAL theatres.
Australia vs. China in the SW Pacific shipping lanes.

Reunitied Korea vs. China. It will happen, and the Chinese may become jealous, especially if they continue to get rebuffed over Taiwan. Why refight 1950?

Saudi/UAE vs. an Iran that gotten the 'last word' in the millennia old conflict with Iraq and is now looking to become the sole Fundamentalist Shiia (nuclear) power in the PG.

Greece vs. Turk-Israeli alliance in the Aegean Sea. Crete, the offshore islands, or just plain Biggest Kids On Block.

Even a 'CentFront, Ukraine' as NATO goes nuts in Serbia and the Russians object on behalf of their 'Slavic Brothers' and start to wage cruise missile warfare from over the Black Sea.

All places where you could expect to see the Typhoon as well as quite an array of 'other', _Western_, high performance, airframes.

Places that have meaning today and will become /critical/ tomorrow.

Not some two decade's dead vision of a war theatre that would have been fought with Tornados, F-111's, F-4's and F-15/16's if it had ever happened at all. And it didn't.

3. Give us Campaign/Mission Controls!
I can't believe some of the mission descriptions I read. You DON'T fight that way. No modern AF on earth would fight that way. Part of this is the inability to know a given (fixed) theatre win/loss parameter and set the order of battle around it. Part is an inability to pick truly complimentary instead of seemingly 'random' participant aircraft and use them in a doctrinally wise fashion.

Another element of this is simple space. If you include Blue Water threats, you have to include the ability to fix them and overlap-kill them, at range. Developing the battle is a large part of controlling the battlespace and sanitizing the -empty- from the threat-full. In a timely sequenced manner.


Kurt Plummer


P.S. From the spine, that Typhoon looks like the multirole version of the 2-seater 'without the ejection seat'. IIRR, the first Flubber tranche is all 'air defense' basic with minimal EW/AG systems integration and likely nothing more than bombs and rockets delivery.

The second tranche will be 'rapid deployable' in the manner of the various Jag and Tornado quick mods. Basic EW integration and a few more (ALARM and LGB) delivery options. It may have AMSAR and for the Brits at least could also include overwing CFT and new EJ-230 engines so it doesn't pig out completely.

The third tranche, if bought in direct competition with FOAS, will be the 'multirole' (aka F-15E) version with separately integrated large-glass cockpits, full Storm Shadow long and JDAM shortrange PTOD munitions integration and possible UCAV control modes. Big Wing may offset heavyweight A/G loadings and help internalize the CFT fuel. AMSAR is assured and unlike the game, Meteor will just about be ready for operational deployment.

If this last is the 'secret weapon' they are talking about then it should be online in the timeframe 2009-11, earliest, and would again make a superb 'weasel plus standoff CAP' door kicker for close up JSF penetrators to get in with hammer weapons.

It is itself in NO WAY 'stealthy' in the truest sense however.

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I think Kurt's theater choices are right on the money.

#558978 - 05/17/01 05:22 AM Re: D3D/OpenGL update/patch for EF2000 ver.2/EF2000 graphics+ PETITION  

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I agree with that last post. And with Kurt's choice of theatre.

Australia/USA v China would be a feasible campaign. It could be fought around the South China Sea from Darwin or Butterworth in Malaysia, or from Guam. Plenty of opportunity for refueling midair and long hauls in the cockpit. Also plenty of carrier action.

ALternatively, a Taiwan scenario would be good.



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#558979 - 05/17/01 05:24 AM Re: D3D/OpenGL update/patch for EF2000 ver.2/EF2000 graphics+ PETITION  

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I agree with that last post. And with Kurt's choice of theatre.

Australia/USA v China would be a feasible campaign. It could be fought around the South China Sea from Darwin or Butterworth in Malaysia, or from Guam. Plenty of opportunity for refueling midair and long hauls in the cockpit. Also plenty of carrier action.

ALternatively, a Taiwan scenario would be good.



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#558980 - 05/17/01 11:07 AM Re: D3D/OpenGL update/patch for EF2000 ver.2/EF2000 graphics+ PETITION  
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Please someone make an ef2000 hardcore simulation.
Why we can't create a communtity capable to completely modifiy the game?
Watch what have done the community with Falcon4
1)New Theatres 2)Incredible reality OPTIONS(can both play newers and hardcore gamers modifing the options)
3)New graphic engine(it was glide and now is d3d and OpenGl).
We have to options
1)modify EF2000
2)modify Typhoon

Some one of you could say me go to play Falcon4 but i anwer that me and not only me but many other people here wish have a Typhoon simulation.
Please someone help us!

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#558981 - 05/17/01 01:19 PM Re: D3D/OpenGL update/patch for EF2000 ver.2/EF2000 graphics+ PETITION  
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That'd be soooo nice. I always wished they'd done TAW with the Eurofighter rather than the F-22. At least as a second flyable. Now that'd have been cool. I do like the West Africa theater. It's topical-Urgent Shield is like a refought Ethiopia-Eritrea civil war, with us playing peacekeeper and the Chinese selling weapons to the other side.

I've always said that if you added parachutes to the Mk-82R bombs, gave us in-bay carriage of LGBs (if we'd had GBU-16 instead of GBU-24 that'd have been solved), and allowed us to independently retarget JDAMs I'd be satisfied with TAW, even though the sim totally had zero accessibility to women....

Modding TAW or EF2k ain't gonna go, though, my brother. Not unless Rage decides to do an all-new sim with hardcore features, and that's about got the chance of an ice cube surviving on a sidewalk in downtown Hades at high noon. Remember what happened with the third party mods to TAW. DiD et al went bananas and threatened to sue. These guys will go bananas if anyone tries to eRazor Typhoon. So the gurus will say "why even bother? We've got F4 out there...and Falcon V on the horizon...."

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"I'd be satisfied with TAW, even though the sim totally had zero accessibility to women...."

Uh, um... it was just as easy for women to play as it was for men.

The controls weren't different or anything...

#558983 - 05/17/01 02:06 PM Re: D3D/OpenGL update/patch for EF2000 ver.2/EF2000 graphics+ PETITION  

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"I'd be satisfied with TAW, even though the sim totally had zero accessibility to women...."

Uh, um... it was just as easy for women to play as it was for men.

The controls weren't different or anything...


I think she means that all the pilot voices in the game were male, rather than having a choice between male and female when you set up your pilot...

Cheers,
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I think she means that all the pilot voices in the game were male, rather than having a choice between male and female when you set up your pilot...

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Thank you, Manteau. You get it.

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#558985 - 05/17/01 06:33 PM Re: D3D/OpenGL update/patch for EF2000 ver.2/EF2000 graphics+ PETITION  

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I get it too. Your wording was just funny. The sim is equally ACCESSABLE, but maybe not equally APPEALING. Still a great sim regardless.

The symantic police is out in full force.

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