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#556807 - 05/01/01 01:04 AM Wingmen and Strike AI  

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I reran an attack against incoming hovercraft three times today to observe wing and strike flight behavior.

The COMMS menu allows separate control of Wingman, Strike Flight and Escort Flight.

Unfortunately, while my wingman obeys orders, the Strike Flight does weird things.

I targeted a group of ten jet propelled sea transports and then ordered the Strike flight to move ahead of me. They moved a bit ahead, and then when I was in range with Brimstone I ordered them to engage. I didn't see any ordnance fired, though they continued to come back around and fly over the targets.

When I ordered my wingman to engage I saw the missiles appear on my DASS.

Since the AI doesn't always assign appropriate weapons load, it could be they were carrying dumb bombs. But it looked like they didn't attack at all.

Also, I noticed that the COMMS call I made was the same as for wingman. The red text that appeared on screen for my call to the Strike Flight was TWO ENGAGE GROUND TARGETS. I did this twice to ensure I had used the correct menu.

In fact, my wingman DID engage though I was not ordering him to engage. So perhaps the wrong order is being sent and that's why the wingman order appears on screen.

I also noticed that where my wingman will respond with voice and text, the Strike Flight did not respond.

Andy, have you noticed problems with wing and strike AI?

I'll refly with Smartview and see if I can tell what's up...

[This message has been edited by Leonard Hjalmarson (edited 04-30-2001).]

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#556808 - 05/01/01 12:38 PM Re: Wingmen and Strike AI  

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I remember in TAW that wingies would generally behave, but as for giving orders to other flights in the package (i.e. Your SEAD flight), you might as well have been talking to yourself. I hope it aint gonna be the same with Typhoon.

On another note; I notice that some of the RAF wingies are female. Since when did the RAF have female pilots on active combat duty?
My understanding (from chatting with active RAF officers), is that unlike the USAF, in the RAF they are deemed psychologically unfit to take a plane into combat, due to that 'thing' that happens to them once a month.

Please don't view the above paragraph as being sexist. I'm only asking a question based on what I've been told. I have no opinion as to the merits of female pilots flying active combat duty; one way or the other... I'm just trying to clarify it.

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#556809 - 05/01/01 12:49 PM Re: Wingmen and Strike AI  
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It's meant to be about 2015 isn't it, maybe things will change by then?


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#556810 - 05/01/01 12:51 PM Re: Wingmen and Strike AI  

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Aha DRG,

I hadn't thought of that possibility. Thanks for pointing it out.

Btw DRG, I take it your also spending your day at work surfing the net?

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#556811 - 05/01/01 02:56 PM Re: Wingmen and Strike AI  

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The RAF can and do employ females on front line fast jets. The first graduated from basic flight training in 1992 if I remember correctly. However, there are very few of them. For some reason in testing it has been found that females make better navs, but the men make better pilots. This is based on pure aptitude scores mind. Why this happens is apparently under investigation.

Cheers, Wulf.

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#556812 - 05/01/01 03:01 PM Re: Wingmen and Strike AI  

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Quote:
Originally posted by Wulfrick:
The RAF can and do employ females on front line fast jets. The first graduated from basic flight training in 1992 if I remember correctly. However, there are very few of them. For some reason in testing it has been found that females make better navs, but the men make better pilots. This is based on pure aptitude scores mind. Why this happens is apparently under investigation.

Cheers, Wulf.



Cheers Wulf,

My understandment of it was that; Yes they do train females for front line fast jets. However they aren't used in wartime combat ops as pilots. They are used for Nav/WACS, but not as pilots.


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#556813 - 05/01/01 04:28 PM Re: Wingmen and Strike AI  
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Originally posted by Wulfrick:
The RAF can and do employ females on front line fast jets. The first graduated from basic flight training in 1992 if I remember correctly. However, there are very few of them. For some reason in testing it has been found that females make better navs, but the men make better pilots. This is based on pure aptitude scores mind. Why this happens is apparently under investigation.

Cheers, Wulf.



Heh,heh,heh!!! I can just picture it now!
"Which way?"
"What?"
"You're the navigator!"
"I can't unfold this stupid map!"
"Why don't you just stop and ask for directions?"
"No."
"Why, will it bruise your ego?"
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#556814 - 05/01/01 04:39 PM Re: Wingmen and Strike AI  

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lol JM

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#556815 - 05/01/01 06:07 PM Re: Wingmen and Strike AI  

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I reflew the mission two more times. One thing to note is that when you load a saved mission some things are not the same.. I imagine this is because of the dynamic nature of the game engine.

Anyway, on the first refly I couldn't tell if the strike flight was engaging or not, because the wingman was firing on the targets. On the second refly the Strike flight did indeed engage though I don't know what they were using... a weapon that left no air track and was much slower than Brimstone.

That's good news, hopefully it will be consistent.

#556816 - 05/01/01 07:00 PM Re: Wingmen and Strike AI  
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Originally posted by *Hengist*:
On another note; I notice that some of the RAF wingies are female. Since when did the RAF have female pilots on active combat duty?


I remember reading the headlines regarding the first female active duty Tornado pilot in the RAF several years ago. Since then I have only heard of one more. There are almost certainly more, they just don't make the news anymore.

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#556817 - 05/01/01 11:22 PM Re: Wingmen and Strike AI  

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Len.

That is encouraging news, I used to get lonesome in TAW at times.

Badboy.

You mention active duty. In which conflict was said pilot involved in?

I don't think it was the Gulf as I have a roster of all the active Big Fin pilots from that war and they were all male. There was a female pilot who ferried a Fin, as the pilot had the trots and went by Herc.

If you can remember then let me know. I'll go and research then discuss it with the RAF chaps I know over a pint or two

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#556818 - 05/02/01 12:51 PM Re: Wingmen and Strike AI  
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Hengist - sure do. Wish I could load some of my games onto the PC too!

Someone on the EECH site "fell off the back of his lorry" ahem and has been off work for months. He's an absloute genius at everything pc now. I think he'll crack up when he goes back to work, mind you...


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