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#4642110 - 02/05/24 04:24 PM Homicidal Harry Tates  
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Playing my first Hun ever in the the DiD4 campaign and did my man ever run into some bloodthirsty Tommies in R.E.8s.



These three jokers dropped down from height and chased the Baron von Oberlitzer all over Flanders.
Maneuvered like fighters.
Gunners were bloody accurate too, the schweines.

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Not to be projecting negative waves, nor do I expect Entente 2-seaters to act like sheep but is this working as intended?

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#4642114 - 02/05/24 05:27 PM Re: Homicidal Harry Tates [Re: epower]  
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Harry Tates were not known for their boom and zoom tactics... biggrin

#4642127 - 02/05/24 11:08 PM Re: Homicidal Harry Tates [Re: epower]  
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Certainly not to that extent! Being jumped by Re.8's would put the wind up anyone. biggrin


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#4642129 - 02/05/24 11:19 PM Re: Homicidal Harry Tates [Re: epower]  
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Just another case of wolves in sheep's clothing yep


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#4642132 - 02/06/24 12:20 AM Re: Homicidal Harry Tates [Re: epower]  
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I've seen that before, mostly in QC though...I would guess it is not completely intended!


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#4642168 - 02/06/24 05:11 PM Re: Homicidal Harry Tates [Re: epower]  
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I almost always fly German and am well acquainted with this change. It came with version 1.33 - "2 Seaters that were used as 'fighters' will now behave more historically correct". It also affects FE2bs but I rarely encounter them and they aren't nearly as dangerous as the RE8s. The RE8s are now one of the most dangerous foes, especially with the rear guns.

#4642192 - 02/07/24 12:29 AM Re: Homicidal Harry Tates [Re: hoongadoonga]  
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Originally Posted by hoongadoonga
I almost always fly German and am well acquainted with this change. It came with version 1.33 - "2 Seaters that were used as 'fighters' will now behave more historically correct". It also affects FE2bs but I rarely encounter them and they aren't nearly as dangerous as the RE8s. The RE8s are now one of the most dangerous foes, especially with the rear guns.


Hmm. I seem to remember either Gould or Lewis mentioning that there was a depot pilot who could throw just about any plane around, and I think the Harry Tate was one of the ones mentioned, too. Not sure that should be the case for the deployed casual encounter with an observer, though...

*edit It was Lewis, and the pilot was showing him how to fly the Quirk, not the RE8...

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#4642193 - 02/07/24 12:48 AM Re: Homicidal Harry Tates [Re: epower]  
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Reference from "The Aerodrome" POST:

"Experimental 8 was the most widely used British two-seater biplane on the Western Front. A descendant of the R.E.7, it was initially developed for reconnaissance work but also saw service as a bomber and ground attack aircraft. Nicknamed the "Harry Tate," after a well known music hall performer of the day, it provided a stable platform for photographic missions but suffered from poor maneuverability, leaving it vulnerable to attack by enemy fighters. Despite heavy losses, the R.E.8 remained in service throughout the war.
On the morning of 13 April 1917, 59 Squadron's ill fated flight of six R.E.8s was on a photo-reconnaissance mission near Douai when it encountered Jasta 11. All six R.E.8s were shot down within a matter of minutes, one of them becoming Manfred von Richthofen's forty first victory."


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#4642210 - 02/07/24 12:32 PM Re: Homicidal Harry Tates [Re: epower]  
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I've been finding that the best way to take on the RE is head on.
When they come at you, which they inevitably will these days, I hit them as they come at us, then rake them at they pass over. I can often get good hits on as many as three or four. This thins out the herd by a couple and betters our odds.
Then I watch for opportunities to hit them while the observer is occupied with another aircraft on their tail and hit them from a distance or unload on one that is passing. You have to get out of the way as they pass to avoid the sting in the tail.
If we get the better of them and they head for home, I pick one or two apart from below or at a distance. Almost always take at least a few hits.







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#4642294 - 02/09/24 01:39 PM Re: Homicidal Harry Tates [Re: epower]  
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Thanks all for your comments. I have a new challenge before me after flying Entente for so many hours. No more disengaging at will in the SE5.

Cheers, or rather Prost!

#4642712 - 02/17/24 10:49 PM Re: Homicidal Harry Tates [Re: epower]  
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Perhaps they were elite units? They seem to act more aggressively. Sopwith Strutter two-seaters are also dangerous.


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#4644734 - 04/04/24 03:14 PM Re: Homicidal Harry Tates [Re: epower]  
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I ran across this in V.M. Yeates' "Winged Victory.

If you haven't read this one you're really missing something. I don't know how I managed to overlook it.

Yeates was a Camel pilot in 46 Squ. and really tells you what it was like to fly one.

This is what he had to say about the Harry Tate. It may be somewhat prejudiced and exageratted, he being a Camel Jockey. But it is food for thought.


"They met a couple of Harry Tates and an Ak-W buzzing about industriously on their business of shoots or reconnaissance, and kept near them each in turn for a while to cheer them up. The observers would be able to watch the ground more intently while they were confident of protection; without which the sky was apt to be more interesting to them than the floor, especially when there was some cloud just overhead. It was no joke for a Harry Tate to be surprised by scouts. They were slow, old-maidish buses, very suitable for conveying elderly generals on tours of visits. The daring pilot who put on more than about forty-five degrees of bank might find himself in a spin, and as it was said to take five minutes and a special incantation to get an RE8 out of a spin, the result was often fatal. To go on active service in such an ark was an occupation for heroes, although the people who flew them did not appear to think themselves so heroic as unfortunate. Inexplicably, most of them seemed to come from the Midlands; and heroism in England, Tom noticed, only prevailed north of Dee and Humber and south of Thames. He was not going by statistics, but by conversation."

#4644741 - 04/04/24 05:19 PM Re: Homicidal Harry Tates [Re: epower]  
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Great book, read it many years ago... I even did a 46 Sqn campaign, flying the Camel in his skin .

#4644742 - 04/04/24 05:27 PM Re: Homicidal Harry Tates [Re: epower]  
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The guy is amazing to the point that you could call the book immersive. I may fly a 46 Squ campaign myself, even though I hate flying rotaries,, maybe his tips will help.

#4644757 - 04/05/24 01:26 AM Re: Homicidal Harry Tates [Re: epower]  
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It's worth reading up on some of the history of 3 Squadron AFC. That's what they flew through the war and had great success with it. According to one source they were credited with 16 victories to 11 losses. One very interesting read is the true story of the "Ghost RE8" of Sandy and Hughes:

https://www.awm.gov.au/wartime/44/page58_white

Furthermore it was a 3 Squadron RE8 that broke a then held record for most number of sorties flown by any allied aircraft, and they led the funeral service of von Richthofen.

#4644761 - 04/05/24 11:05 AM Re: Homicidal Harry Tates [Re: epower]  
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I'll give it a look!. Thanx Stork

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