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#4626558 - 05/15/23 10:40 AM Thinking of finally going VR  
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I started looking at the different models out there for VR headsets and I think I'm leaning towards getting an Oculus set but I will do some more research for sure before I make the significant financial investment. Right now these are the games I have which support VR:

Elite Dangerous
IL-2 Great Battles
DCS World

Which other VR games are people here playing?


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#4626559 - 05/15/23 11:12 AM Re: Thinking of finally going VR [Re: PanzerMeyer]  
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IL2/DCS are 95% of my VR experience. A little bit of driving simulation too.


I would not discourage you from Oculus as my Quest 2 has been great, but Quest 3 is only a few months away. I don't know exactly how much improved it will be over Q2 but it's something to think about.

Also your CPU/GPU plays a big role in how your VR experience will be, especially in DCS.


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#4626560 - 05/15/23 11:17 AM Re: Thinking of finally going VR [Re: F4UDash4]  
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Originally Posted by F4UDash4
IL2/DCS are 95% of my VR experience. A little bit of driving simulation too.


I would not discourage you from Oculus as my Quest 2 has been great, but Quest 3 is only a few months away. I don't know exactly how much improved it will be over Q2 but it's something to think about.

Also your CPU/GPU plays a big role in how your VR experience will be, especially in DCS.



Thanks! I'll read on the Quest 3 and see what I find.

As for GPU/CPU I'm running an Nvidia 3090 and an AMD X5900 so I'm good to go.


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#4626561 - 05/15/23 11:54 AM Re: Thinking of finally going VR [Re: PanzerMeyer]  
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Have you tried VR?

I have the original Vive, then a HP Reverb2, but they basically just sit on the shelf.
The HP is better in most things being a few years newer, but as it's WMR based, a misplaced controller button press will get to the Microsoft store in the middle of your game. Valve, Facebook and Microsoft really don't want you using the other's ecosystems.

DCS and Elite Dangerous are wonderful in VR, but I get mild 'reverse motion sickness' on any moving vehicle, since I'm sitting still.
I find the best games are those designed for VR, like 'Job Simulator' etc, or experiences like 'Apollo 11'.
There's probably some 'adult' market that I'm missing, but I've got 'VR Paradise' in my Steam collection, and the technology has some way to go.

#4626568 - 05/15/23 12:29 PM Re: Thinking of finally going VR [Re: mikew]  
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Originally Posted by mikew
Have you tried VR?

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I've seen many demonstration videos of it but I myself have not actually used a VR headset. I know some people complain that it feels uncomfortable and that they just can't get used to it. Perhaps it would be wise for me to find a demonstration model at some store first before I decide to buy one.


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#4626570 - 05/15/23 12:41 PM Re: Thinking of finally going VR [Re: PanzerMeyer]  
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Originally Posted by PanzerMeyer
Perhaps it would be wise for me to find a demonstration model at some store first before I decide to buy one.


Yep. I've never had a problem but some do.


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If you go with the Oculus Dirt Rally works in VR as well. It can work in other sets, but you have to download some hacks to get it to work. I've set it up, but never really played it. I don't get motion sick on any vehicles or have problems with VR in most games, but the idea of bouncing around a rally track churns my stomach just thinking about it for some reason.

The F1 games also work well in VR. As does Microsoft's Flight Sim 2020.

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Originally Posted by wormfood


The F1 games also work well in VR. As does Microsoft's Flight Sim 2020.


I don’t play MSFS but thanks for reminding me about the Codemasters F1 racing sims. I’ve been playing those for many years.


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#4626616 - 05/16/23 01:13 AM Re: Thinking of finally going VR [Re: PanzerMeyer]  
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I just happened to have an email from Oculus today and in part it reminded me of this great little VR experience, you have to try it: https://www.oculus.com/experiences/quest/2164469606967296/

Even if you don't go with Oculus, there is a Steam version that works with any (I believe) VR headset. It really is a stunning experience


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#4626636 - 05/16/23 10:30 AM Re: Thinking of finally going VR [Re: PanzerMeyer]  
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I also want to try that Half Life 2 prequel "Alyx" which is VR ONLY.


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#4626641 - 05/16/23 11:02 AM Re: Thinking of finally going VR [Re: PanzerMeyer]  
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Three or four years ago, I paid about $800 for what was supposedly the best VR headset (at the time).

I used it for a few days and sent it back for a refund. It did much right, but the image quality was not perfect in every respect.

I want perfect.

I assume I'll try again at some point. For example, I'm playing Fallout 4 and I've already bought and installed the VR version ("Fallout 4 VR").

Thus, reading the detailed outcome of your experiments and the "final grade" you give any VR set will be interesting. smile


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#4626642 - 05/16/23 11:07 AM Re: Thinking of finally going VR [Re: PanzerMeyer]  
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Thanks Allen for your encouragement! I also had no idea that there was a VR version of Fallout 4. Is it official from Bethesda or is it modded?


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#4626644 - 05/16/23 11:18 AM Re: Thinking of finally going VR [Re: PanzerMeyer]  
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I've avoided Oculus because of the Facebook link, and my earlier post might have seemed a bit negative but I don't regret buying the stuff, because:
1. I can afford it
2. There are moments where VR is just magical.

I'm just not that into it to want to have that thing on my head for more than a few minutes at a time.

#4626645 - 05/16/23 11:21 AM Re: Thinking of finally going VR [Re: mikew]  
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Originally Posted by mikew


I'm just not that into it to want to have that thing on my head for more than a few minutes at a time.


This is really the main reason why I need to try out a demonstration model before I make my decision. I would be using VR primarily for combat flight sims where missions often can last 45 minutes or longer.


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There is no longer any Facebook requirement for Oculus (Meta)

Headset weight is not an issue for me, it's certainly lighter than a motorcycle helmet.

In the summer it can get a little warm on your face, simple and highly effective solution is a small desktop fan.

"Perfection" is a long way off and will cost thousands for the headset and for the PC capable of driving it. Perfection also doesn't exist with monitors and never will.

VR immersion even with the resolution deficit compared to 4k monitors is well worth it and game changing. I have not flown in a non VR mode in at least 2 years, it has zero attraction to me.


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There's also Alien Isolation in VR.

#4626652 - 05/16/23 12:51 PM Re: Thinking of finally going VR [Re: wormfood]  
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Originally Posted by wormfood
There's also Alien Isolation in VR.



Thanks. I completely forgot about that one so I'll be reinstalling it if I do indeed get a VR set.


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Originally Posted by PanzerMeyer
Thanks Allen for your encouragement! I also had no idea that there was a VR version of Fallout 4. Is it official from Bethesda or is it modded?


I bought it from Steam. The Steam store page says both developed and sold by Bethesda. It came out in 2017. I bought it more recently on special sale.


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My concern for VR in combat flight sims would be button-pushing. I have the Thrustmaster Warthog setup so that would give me some good controls without having to see what I was pushing, but I also have the MFD buttons and Simgears ICP, and I really like that interface to the controls, not having to point-and-click on the screen, building up muscle memory, etc.

Does anyone have any input (no pun intended) on using the MFDs and other buttons in the F-16, F/A-18, etc., when using VR?


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Originally Posted by Arthonon

Does anyone have any input (no pun intended) on using the MFDs and other buttons in the F-16, F/A-18, etc., when using VR?


I do it via mouse


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