#4606300 - 08/19/22 12:05 AM
Re: WOTR pics
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Yes we have the 2 cannon armed Spitfire Mk.Ib's coming to No19 SQDN, the MKIb early and a later one with MGs and Cannons! We hope to post some info before the end of August. We shall see... As I recall, This Is The WOTR Picture Threadso,.... a little less talking and a few more pictures would be appropriate. Plus, I don't believe you anyway Pol! Unless you can produce some photographic examples of said Spitfire Mk.Ib's patrolling in WOTR then this talk of cannon armed Spittys must be rubbish! The proof is in the pudding old boy! S!Blade<>< Pulled these out of the vault just for you Pol! You working on the fishtails for the next iteration of the Spitty?
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#4606373 - 08/20/22 03:49 AM
Re: WOTR pics
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Yes we have the 2 cannon armed Spitfire Mk.Ib's coming to No19 SQDN, the MKIb early and a later one with MGs and Cannons! We hope to post some info before the end of August. We shall see... Pulled these out of the vault just for you Pol! You working on the fishtails for the next iteration of the Spitty? No fishtails till late 1941 on any Spit V I believe With the Mk V there's a whole host of different props, windscreens, exhausts, elevators, etc. depending on time and place of manufacture. For instance, a Mk Vb built at Castle Bromwich in May 1941 will have the same Rotol RX5/3 35 degree prop and blunt ES5 spinner (some would already have the later RX5/10 broad-bladed prop, though the iconic pointed ES11 spinner wouldn't appear till the end of the year), external armoured windscreen panel, and blister on the cowling inherited from the Mk IIb; there is no way to distinguish an early CBAF Mk Vb and a Mk IIb apart from serial number and the prop - most IIb had the DH prop. Supermarine produced Mk VBs from the same time period will have a de Havilland 20 degree prop with short, pointed spinner (same as the Mk I), usually no cowling blister, and from April/May 1941 onwards will all have the later Mk Vc windscreen with internal armoured glass. Here are some photos: Early Supermarine Mk VB (pre May '41 with the external windscreen), with two CBAF Mk VBs directly next to it (the closest with RX5/10, second with RX5/3 - both with the Mk II-type ES5 spinner!) Later 1942 shot with typical Supermarine Mk VBs (note the CBAF example in the mix with the RX5/10 prop and pointed spinner)If I were planning out variants to model I'd go about it like this:- F Mk Vb early (up to June 1941) - Merlin 45, 12lbs boost, fabric ailerons, older exhaust manifold, early/round Mk II gunsight- Supermarine: early DH prop, external armoured glass - CBAF: Rotol RX5/3 prop, ES5 spinner, cowling blister, external armoured glass Early Supermarine Mk Vb (actually a Mk Ib conversion, relevant to the upcoming expansion) F Mk Vb mid (June till December 1941) - Merlin 45, 12lbs boost, metal ailerons, older exhaust manifold, early/round Mk II gunsight- Supermarine: early DH prop, internal glass/Mk Vc windscreen - CBAF: Rotol RX5/10 wide-blade prop, blunt ES5 spinner, cowling blister, external armoured glass Typical Supermarine Mk Vb ( W3848) with Mk Vc windscreen, DH prop and fishtail exhaust - photos from December 1941 Some CBAF Mk VBs in the background with an early Supermarine example in the immediate foreground. Note the exhausts, spinners and props. 74 Squadron Mk VBs, two CBAF and a Supermarine in the background; the one in the air has the RX5/3 prop whereas the one in the foreground has the RX5/10 with ES5 spinner; all seem still to have the early exhaust, April 1942 F Mk Vb late (1942 onwards) - Merlin 45 & 46, 16lbs boost, metal ailerons, fishtail exhaust manifold, square Mk II* gunsight(Supermarine production had moved on to the Mk Vc and Mk VI)- CBAF: Rotol RX5/10 wide-blade prop, longer/faired ES11 spinner, external armoured glass, often the balloon/Malcolm hood - CLASSIC Mk VB
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#4606417 - 08/20/22 05:28 PM
Re: WOTR pics
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Fascinating! Thanks, Lythronax!
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#4606431 - 08/20/22 09:11 PM
Re: WOTR pics
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Interesting historical info. Lythronax and thank you for posting -- here's hoping for some early, non-WEP, two-bladed prop. Spitties and Hurries in WoTR too (and perhaps the D-series BF-109s) -- for some late 1930s' scenarios. Yessiree pre-BoB. More info. on Watts/Airscrew two-bladed props. under this thread. Cheers all, Von S
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#4607185 - 08/30/22 03:40 AM
Re: WOTR pics
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Yes we have the 2 cannon armed Spitfire Mk.Ib's coming to No19 SQDN, the MKIb early and a later one with MGs and Cannons! We hope to post some info before the end of August. We shall see... Hoping this timeline for more info is still valid, I'm positively itching to hear more! Interesting historical info. Lythronax and thank you for posting -- here's hoping for some early, non-WEP, two-bladed prop. Spitties and Hurries in WoTR too (and perhaps the D-series BF-109s) -- for some late 1930s' scenarios. Yessiree pre-BoB. More info. on Watts/Airscrew two-bladed props. under this thread. Cheers all, Von S I'm in agreement that some pre-BoB scenarios would be lovely! Probably no 2-bladed Spits in 1939 as they'd all been retrofitted (or had been so constructed from the start) but some 2-bladed Hurricanes were still in use in 1940 so that'd be a very interesting challenge! A very early war/late '39 Spit would all have a two-pitch 3-blade DH prop, already a few with the externally armoured windscreen, no armoured fuel tank, most with gun flash-dampening muzzles, early radio mast, no mirror, some with the early pitot tube, and most would have a GM2 Mk I or Mk II gunsight. Hurricanes were far more varied at this point in time so I can't really comment beyond a mix of props, windscreens, outer wing sheeting (fabric or metal), gunsights, etc. Definitely some 2-blader Hurricanes in the BoF though, especially during the Phoney War!
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#4607296 - 08/31/22 09:31 PM
Re: WOTR pics
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Great pics and info guys. We are behind a little so probably next week when we get round to the dev status/information update. I'm very excited regardless! Made a wee mistake in my earlier post; no Mk Vs were fitted with the RX5/1 (and 4) propellers (RA640 magnesium blades) - these were the rarer metal Rotols used in exactly 32 Mk Is (RX5/4, many in No. 54 Sqn, which used Rotol props exclusively) plus many early Mk IIs (RX5/1). The early wooden Rotol with RA675 blades (either Jablo or Hydulignum) I was referring to is the RX5/3, used in most Mk IIAs and early Castle Bromwich Mk VBs. Metal props with a similar profile to the RA640 would be used in a 4 bladed hub on the HF Mk VI, some VIIs and VIIIs and a select few early Mk IXs. Wooden blades with the RA675 profile would be used in the vast majority of Mk VIIs, VIIIs and IXs.
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#4622500 - 03/11/23 12:40 PM
Re: WOTR pics
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Exodus
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