“Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. And if you gaze long enough into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you.”
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Originally Posted by LB4LB
Just another aging "celerity" desperately to stay relevant in the news cycles. He knows outrageous statements like this will get him attention.
Yup, I think you are on the money LB4LB.
“Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. And if you gaze long enough into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you.”
Bah. I try not to think about many of my favorite musical artist's personal views/opinions/lifestyles. In this case, I appreciate Roger's PF contributions the most (and The Final Cut is just fantastic, including the lyrics in my sig spoiler). But I still like the direction the rest of 'Floyd went post-1983.
But no way DSotM would sound like it does without everyone's contributions, even if Roger's creative contributions were most important.
But a change was needed (no need for a third Wall album), and Momentary... was a nice change, IMO.
EDIT: I thought they had long reconciled their bad blood.
Last edited by MarkG; 02/10/2307:27 PM.
The rusty wire that holds the cork that keeps the anger in Gives way and suddenly it’s day again The sun is in the east Even though the day is done Two suns in the sunset, hmph Could be the human race is run
The crotchety old man stereotype exists for good reason. The senior years of life can be highly liberating as concerns about retaining the approval of others fades away with the reduced consequences. Like many things, that can be good or bad, or some of each.
For some people (often celebrities) it can arrive earlier when success has bestowed sufficient F*** You money upon them. Think of an artist who has invested their early gains into creating their own studio and distribution channels... they have taken a large step toward being "uncancel-able".
For others, it is a matter of waiting until retiring from the traditional work scene, etc.
[ Have to go now... there are some kids out on the street, eyeing my lawn! ]
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Excellent post CyBerkut.
@ Mark - There was a point when Waters and Gilmour did sort of mostly reconcile when Richard Wright died but that seems to have been short lived.
“Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. And if you gaze long enough into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you.”
David Gilmour admitting to feeling uncomfortable performing The Dark Side Of The Moon, in it's entirety. during The Division Bell tour. Why ? because it was mostly Roger's work, especially the lyrics.
I've always been mad, I know I've been mad, like the most of us...very hard to explain why you're mad, even if you're not mad.
Bah. I try not to think about many of my favorite musical artist's personal views/opinions/lifestyles. In this case, I appreciate Roger's PF contributions the most (and The Final Cut is just fantastic, including the lyrics in my sig spoiler). But I still like the direction the rest of 'Floyd went post-1983.
But no way DSotM would sound like it does without everyone's contributions, even if Roger's creative contributions were most important.
But a change was needed (no need for a third Wall album), and Momentary... was a nice change, IMO.
EDIT: I thought they had long reconciled their bad blood.
The Final Cut is brilliant. AMLOR has 2 good songs IMO. Sorrow and On The Turning Away. The rest of it did not age well. The Division Bell was much better. And The Endless River....actually I believe another SimHQ'er described it perfectly in the past. The Endless Soundcheck. I saw both tours live. Both wonderful experiences.
And yes, after seeing Roger twice in July, he is obviously at an age that he does not give a f*ck what people think, even his long time fans. Sad really. He basically tells most of the audience to literally F off to the bar, right before the show starts. Sorry Roger most of us are here for the Pink Floyd songs, not the politics. 2017's shows were exceedingly better. I've seen him 5 times. I really doubt I would pay to see him again. But to make him out to be a lunatic ? not even close. He is highly educated, and literate in all his strong beliefs. He's no fool. If you only read headlines, yes you will come to that conclusion.
I've always been mad, I know I've been mad, like the most of us...very hard to explain why you're mad, even if you're not mad.
Just another aging "celerity" desperately to stay relevant in the news cycles. He knows outrageous statements like this will get him attention.
Actually, Roger cares more about his causes (war, homelessness) than he does in personal attention. He's had plenty of that.
I don't see a need for a rerecording of TDSOTM. No way you are going to improve upon the original, no bloody chance. You can't improve the guitar solo in Time. It's perfection. Re-do Us and Them ? why ? Leave it alone.
I would like to see the movie The Wall redone. It is showing it's age.
I've always been mad, I know I've been mad, like the most of us...very hard to explain why you're mad, even if you're not mad.
...plus my two favorites on the album: One Slip Terminal Frost (a groovy instrumental)
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But anyway, I don't understand what the problem is...
========== "They can’t write songs, they’ve nothing to say. They're not artists." - Roger ==========
Eh, neither could Geddy or Alex. So, Neil didn't really need them?
I mean, for some of us the instruments matter as well in our music.
========== "The recording, currently in the polishing suite but revealed to The Telegraph (paywall), features reimagined versions of the original’s tracks, now with "Waters talking all over them", including Breathe recast as an acoustic epic, and Money sporting a new country vibe." ==========
Roger's new DSotM will probably not appeal to me.
The rusty wire that holds the cork that keeps the anger in Gives way and suddenly it’s day again The sun is in the east Even though the day is done Two suns in the sunset, hmph Could be the human race is run
WT, your post above mine touched on what I was thinking.
The rusty wire that holds the cork that keeps the anger in Gives way and suddenly it’s day again The sun is in the east Even though the day is done Two suns in the sunset, hmph Could be the human race is run
Never liked Learning To Fly. My least favorite on the album. The other 2 you mention are good songs. But I believe seeing songs performed live, always makes like them more. They did remaster and touch up AMLOR in recent years. David did not care for how it aged. Some 80's experiments that did not stand the test of time he said. I really should give AMLOR a full relisten, it has been a very long time.
I've always been mad, I know I've been mad, like the most of us...very hard to explain why you're mad, even if you're not mad.
This song always takes me back to 87 when I saw them live. It's a good tune. They opened the concert with Echoes, which they only did for the first 11 shows or so. Then changed the opener to SOYCD for the rest of the tour. Which they opened with in 94 when I saw them.
I've always been mad, I know I've been mad, like the most of us...very hard to explain why you're mad, even if you're not mad.
I think every Pink Floyd fan is aware that Roger Waters was the force behind all that is great Pink Floyd. PF on tour without him was to me a borderline tribute band. You can replace the bass (unless you're Geddy Lee or Jack Bruce) but not the voice.
I'm just glad we have what we have because TDSOTM (abbreviated correctly this time ) will always be my #1 album (followed by 2. Moving Pictures and 3. Aja).
The rusty wire that holds the cork that keeps the anger in Gives way and suddenly it’s day again The sun is in the east Even though the day is done Two suns in the sunset, hmph Could be the human race is run
WT, your post above mine touched on what I was thinking.
which part ?
The musicianship: The guitar in Time, the keys in Any Colour You Like, etc.
The rusty wire that holds the cork that keeps the anger in Gives way and suddenly it’s day again The sun is in the east Even though the day is done Two suns in the sunset, hmph Could be the human race is run
Animals is my favorite Pink Floyd album. So 2017 when he performed Dogs and Pigs (3 Different Ones), I was in my glory. This past tour Roger performed a fantastic version of Sheep, the highlight of the show for me. I never thought I would see Algie in person. But in 2017 and 2022 I did,
I've always been mad, I know I've been mad, like the most of us...very hard to explain why you're mad, even if you're not mad.
1. Animals 8-track: Should I turn the volume down on the one F-bomb in Pigs? Nah. My parents probably can't understand the lyrics anyway, so I'm good. Not Now John (Final Cut) is a bit more obvious, but I was 16 or so and didn't care.
2. Looking over the inside of brother's new TDSOTM LP. Holy crap, someone didn't proofread the packaging and spelled Color 'Colour'. <- Even SimHQ spell-checker knows better.
3. Go to brother's house to see his new Phillips CD player (first CD I'd ever heard). Disc 1, the demo that came with the player which included "Tom Sawyer"...dam! Then his first (and for a bit, his only) purchased CD, The Final Cut. Double dam.
4. Smoking weed in the backyard after everyone had gone to bed. Coming back inside and lying on the floor with a pair of JBL L19's on each side of my head, listening to the entire Wish You Were Here LP. Whoa. Fortunately the added second living room was located far enough from the bedrooms that I never woke my parents.
5. My brother waking up the entire house one Sunday morning as a joke by blasting the TV being smashed at the end of Don't Leave Me Now (The Wall). Even his first component stereo was pretty good.
The rusty wire that holds the cork that keeps the anger in Gives way and suddenly it’s day again The sun is in the east Even though the day is done Two suns in the sunset, hmph Could be the human race is run
Colour is how we spell it in Canada, or how I was taught. It's a UK thing.The dropping of the u is a US thing I believe.
I like your brothers sense of humour (yes with a u haha) I woke my son up recently by putting a bluetooth speaker in his room, top volume, and blasted fart noises from a fart soundboard app. I videoed it. At first he is irritated, but laughs and calls me an idiot. Yes I am 55, not 12.
Back to Pink Floyd stories. If we were getting high (teens), especially if we were with someone getting high for the first time, we would play this just mess with their head haha.
I've always been mad, I know I've been mad, like the most of us...very hard to explain why you're mad, even if you're not mad.
Colour is how we spell it in Canada, or how I was taught. It's a UK thing.The dropping of the u is a US thing.
Yeah, I know that now.
But I always wondered why this... "Living Colour is an American rock band from New York City, formed in 1984. "
The rusty wire that holds the cork that keeps the anger in Gives way and suddenly it’s day again The sun is in the east Even though the day is done Two suns in the sunset, hmph Could be the human race is run
As a teen, when we were really lucky, City TV would play Live At Pompeii late at night. It was always fun to watch some poor, one toke over the line friend watch this. The scream is unmatched.
I often wonder when Roger stopped being able to do that "inhale scream". I listened to a show I went to in 1984 (YouTube) and he did it a bit then. But that has to be something he lost the ability to do a long time ago.
A real treat, for the 50th anniversary of TDSOTM would have been HD video footage of that tour. Sadly it does not seem to exist.
I've always been mad, I know I've been mad, like the most of us...very hard to explain why you're mad, even if you're not mad.
As for your sig MarkG, it was one of the final songs of his recent setlist.
I found the ending of this tours setlist very anti climactic. NO ENCORE. WTF. I waited 15 months for this ? Still a night out with my wife (night one) and a night out with my son, the following day. (Me and the boy had a better time at Iron Maiden a few months later)
I did not realize this was Toronto. So I was at this show. Better seats that this guy haha.
I've always been mad, I know I've been mad, like the most of us...very hard to explain why you're mad, even if you're not mad.
========== "The recording, currently in the polishing suite but revealed to The Telegraph (paywall), features reimagined versions of the original’s tracks, now with "Waters talking all over them", including Breathe recast as an acoustic epic, and Money sporting a new country vibe." ==========
Roger's new DSotM will probably not appeal to me.
Country vibe ? F that.
This project has disaster written all over it.
I've always been mad, I know I've been mad, like the most of us...very hard to explain why you're mad, even if you're not mad.
All very cool, WT. The beginning two notes of "Careful With That Axe, Eugene" sound to me like the same beginning notes of "Goodbye Cruel World" (The Wall).
Two Suns in the Sunset live!
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Makes me want to listen to PF right now, but I've got tickets to see Rush's Exit Stage Left this evening which starts in about an hour. Printing tickets for own living room is corny, I know.
Looks around at audience....
There's a Rock-looking chick sitting by herself who I think has been eyeing me, and no dudes have been around her. Too old to be a groupie but still cute and definitely my type. Think I'll 'buy' her a drink and see if she'll let me sit with her for during show, then see how the evening plays out. I better hit the restroom first while the crowd is light (never want to stand in line just to piss in a sink again).
Rush is always so good live!
The rusty wire that holds the cork that keeps the anger in Gives way and suddenly it’s day again The sun is in the east Even though the day is done Two suns in the sunset, hmph Could be the human race is run
Well good luck to you MarkG. It's been a very long time since I've had the thrill of the chase. I wish you luck. Is it playing at a theatre ? I saw Rush back in the day. Grace Under Pressure tour. They sold out Maple Leafs Gardens 3 nights in a row. Home town boys.
I've always been mad, I know I've been mad, like the most of us...very hard to explain why you're mad, even if you're not mad.
Just another aging "celerity" desperately to stay relevant in the news cycles. He knows outrageous statements like this will get him attention.
Actually, Roger cares more about his causes (war, homelessness) than he does in personal attention. He's had plenty of that.
I don't see a need for a rerecording of TDSOTM. No way you are going to improve upon the original, no bloody chance. You can't improve the guitar solo in Time. It's perfection. Re-do Us and Them ? why ? Leave it alone.
I would like to see the movie The Wall redone. It is showing it's age.
A remake of The Wall would be cool. You are right, the original hasn't aged very well. I worry that the original message of The Wall would not be intact though.
Yeah, sounds like Roger is really into "re imagining things". Some of it due to his limited vocal range no doubt, but he is 79 years old. A song like Run Like Hell seemed quite relevant during the Covid days. An interpretation of that would be interesting.
I watched The Wall recently with my son. Afterwards I noticed Hey You was cut out. WTF ? a fantastic song. Apparently Roger thought there were too many depressing moments, and it was cut out. One of the highlights of the movie and album IMO.
I've always been mad, I know I've been mad, like the most of us...very hard to explain why you're mad, even if you're not mad.
Friday night was a good time, at least what I remember of it. Rush played some songs off their upcoming album, including a really good one named "Living In The Limelight." Not a typo. Can't wait to get it.
That chick I met was cool, if a little crazy. She knew her Rush which should have been a red flag. We hit it off and had fun after the show, and I got her number (assuming it's not a fake). Maybe we'll catch Pink Floyd in the future... With Roger.
She's also a Fixx fan, but I'm not finding any concerts.
The rusty wire that holds the cork that keeps the anger in Gives way and suddenly it’s day again The sun is in the east Even though the day is done Two suns in the sunset, hmph Could be the human race is run
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Originally Posted by MarkG
But I always wondered why this... "Living Colour is an American rock band from New York City, formed in 1984. "
They just wanted to be pretentious.
“Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. And if you gaze long enough into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you.”
She's also a Fixx fan, but I'm not finding any concerts.
I love Live At Pompeii. I do not like how they split Echoes into 2 parts though. Fun fact you might not know, all footage (except Nick Mason's) for One Of These Days was either misplaced or destroyed by accident (I can't remember which) That is why you only see Nick throughout the whole song.
I've always been mad, I know I've been mad, like the most of us...very hard to explain why you're mad, even if you're not mad.
Context. He has been doing this consistently since the 2010 Wall tours. He is in character. He also did it during the original Wall tour of 80/81. The crossed hammers are not swastikas. When I took my wife last summer, she did think it was shocking to see him shoot a machine gun into the crowd. (she said what will people in the USA think, because of mass shootings) The last line in the song explains it. He is an artist in character as a fascist . BTW, this song came out in Dec. 1979. These articles are from uninformed journalists.
In The Flesh
So ya thought ya Might like to go to the show To feel the warm thrill of confusion That space cadet glow? I got some bad news for you, sunshine Pink isn't well, he stayed back at the hotel And they sent us along as a surrogate band We're gonna find out where you fans really stand Are there any queers in the theater tonight? Get 'em up against the wall (against the wall) Now there's one in the spotlight, he don't look right to me Get him up against the wall (against the) And that one looks Jewish And that one's a coon Who let all this riff-raff into the room? There's one smokin' a joint And another with spots If I had my way I'd have all of you shot
I've always been mad, I know I've been mad, like the most of us...very hard to explain why you're mad, even if you're not mad.
I was curious if he would you the c**n line in concert, as his current wife is black. Yep, he did.
From the 1982 movie The Wall. Bob Geldof plays the character in the movie (his vocals are not up to par imo), that Roger plays live. It is not praising fascism. If anything, it shows how easily impressionable people are (Sheep). It's a warning. (Dogs)
BTW, being pro Palestine does not make you an anti Semite. Roger is against killing ALL innocent people, especially children. It's in his lyrics. His frustration come from Palestinian babies being fair game for some reason.
I've always been mad, I know I've been mad, like the most of us...very hard to explain why you're mad, even if you're not mad.
Sometimes I stare at the night sky See them stars a billion light years away And it makes me feel small like a bug on a wall Who gives a sh*t anyway? Who gives a sh*t anyway?
When World War II was over Though the slate was never wiped clean We could have picked over them broken bones We could have been free But we chose to adhere to abundance We chose the American Dream And oh mistress liberty How we abandoned thee How we abandoned thee And oh Mistress Liberty How we abandoned thee
Could have been born in Shreveport Or he could have born in Tehran It don't much matter wherever you're born Little babies mean us no harm They have to be taught to despise us To bulldoze our homes to the ground To believe their fight is for liberty To believe that their God will keep them safe and sound Safe and sound Safe and sound
We cannot turn back the clock Cannot go back in time But we can say "f*ck you" We will not listen to Your bullsh*t and lies Your bullsh*t and lies
I've always been mad, I know I've been mad, like the most of us...very hard to explain why you're mad, even if you're not mad.
The "investigation" will end up being a waste of time. The last 3 lines of the article ... The bassist says he is speaking out against Israel’s treatment of Palestinians. He began his Berlin show by insisting he is not anti-semitic. A court in Frankfurt also backed him ahead of a gig there on Sunday.
Roger is as much of a fascist, that Alice Cooper is a baby killer and necrophiliac.
I've always been mad, I know I've been mad, like the most of us...very hard to explain why you're mad, even if you're not mad.
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Waters isn't a fascist and it should be quite obvious that his wearing of a Nazi-like uniform is intended to be a political statement.
However, he IS an ultra left winger and also hypocritical when it comes to the ongoing Israeli/Palestinian conflict.
“Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. And if you gaze long enough into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you.”
Also, this might be a good time too remind people, Roger's father was killed by Germans in WWII. How could he possibly be glorifying them ? The symbolism is undeniable, but, it is not meant to be viewed in a positive light.
I've always been mad, I know I've been mad, like the most of us...very hard to explain why you're mad, even if you're not mad.
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