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#4612071 - 10/27/22 09:19 AM New EAST aircraft  
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New PZL P37b by Rotton50:

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#4612078 - 10/27/22 11:23 AM Re: New EAST aircraft [Re: Moggy]  
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Honestly, some of these new models are a giant PITA to get right, as with the Ju86 I just finished.

However, this one was a lot of fun because the extra 3dz's we now have available in the 1.6 line make it all possible.

For instance, the double wheels that were standard on the PZL 37 would have been hard to get right as far as the R/S goes but I was able to use the double wheels from the HE-177 and attach them to the landing gear struts with a hardpoint.

Same for the engine nacels. They are rather complicated but they were very similar in layout with the nacel on the Swordfish so it was easy to take that piece and adapt it to the PZL.

And then there's the individual aircraft numbering that is now possible with a combination of the multi-skin mod (also a 1.6 exclusive) and the extra 3dz's.

Heck, right now I'm working with Iron Mike on upgrading a bunch of Russian low res planes so that they don't have any mirrored textures plus they will have individual aircraft numbers.

And now on to the Fi167........................which. since it's a biplane. will probably be one of those aforementioned PITA models. banghead


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#4612089 - 10/27/22 01:25 PM Re: New EAST aircraft [Re: Moggy]  
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#4612091 - 10/27/22 01:39 PM Re: New EAST aircraft [Re: Moggy]  
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Funny, doesn't look any harder to put together than the PZL 37, right?

heh,

Those parts did not want to play nice. I had about 6-7 dead ends before I found a combo that worked.

The thing is, you just don't know until the project is underway if it's going to be easy like the PZL or difficult like the Ju86.

3dz'ing is NOT for the faint of heart. banghead smash dizzy wacky cuss2 explode


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#4612100 - 10/27/22 04:12 PM Re: New EAST aircraft [Re: Moggy]  
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#4612776 - 11/03/22 04:52 PM Re: New EAST aircraft [Re: Moggy]  
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Almost finished Ray's Russian summer set except for testing. Next the Lend-Lease set. Screen shots to come then I'll send you and Ray the skins. wave

#4612879 - 11/04/22 09:48 PM Re: New EAST aircraft [Re: iron mike]  
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Many thanks Mike

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#4613029 - 11/07/22 03:41 PM Re: New EAST aircraft [Re: Moggy]  
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Fi-167 by Rotton50.

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Originally intended for the "Swordfish" role on projected German aircraft carriers. Assigned to East European/Balkan allies in 1944. Captured examples flown by Yuguslav partisans.

Many thanks Ray!

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#4613037 - 11/07/22 04:19 PM Re: New EAST aircraft [Re: Moggy]  
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You are welcome.

These last two came out very nice, if I do say so myself . biggrin

Turns out, the more models we have, the easier it is to adapt them to new ones.

For instance, the PZL 37 uses a double wheel setup which was unusual for WWII planes. Fortunately, I already made an upgraded HE177 from the original model produced by "The Firm". It has double wheels too so all I had to do was shrink them a bit for the new model. The tail was very close in profile to the Hampton tail so that's where it came from, the fuselage wasn't much different than the Beaufort and the wings came from the Hudson.

In the case of the Fi167, I used the Stuka fuselage, the Gordon's tail, the wings from the Gauntlet and the cockpit and wing view.from the B534. Oh and Flying Tiger had a naval skin for the Hi-Res Stuka so I adapted it to this model. (It also has a functional tail hook that only deploys when landing on a carrier. Which means someone is going to have to build the Graf Spee.exitstageleft)

Of course, there's plenty of 3dz sorcery that needs to be applied to the new models to get all the pieces to play nice together but it's sure a lot faster than building from scratch.

FYI, I built a PLZ 49 (What-If) plane from the PZL 37. It was a proposed upgrade that never got built.................until now. whoohoo

It features bigger engines and more guns for self- defense and ground attack. xwing


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#4613266 - 11/09/22 06:52 PM Re: New EAST aircraft [Re: Rotton50]  
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#4613401 - 11/11/22 03:04 PM Re: New EAST aircraft [Re: Moggy]  
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#4613404 - 11/11/22 04:46 PM Re: New EAST aircraft [Re: Moggy]  
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I wonder if the pilots played chess in between missions. exitstageleft

FWIW, there are quite a few existing aircraft that could be adapted to the Croation AF the same way. There are also some unique aircraft that would have to be built. dizzy


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#4613408 - 11/11/22 05:23 PM Re: New EAST aircraft [Re: Moggy]  
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Had a go at rebadging some of the German and Italian aircraft, and a Blenheim.

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Also had a go at this:

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Ikarus IK-2

However, haven't gone anywhere near Breguet 19, Potez 25, or the Zmaj or Rogožarski variants.

The Do17Kb1 ground attack variant was an interesting idea smile

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#4613431 - 11/11/22 08:20 PM Re: New EAST aircraft [Re: Moggy]  
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Couldn't find anything on the Do17Kb1 so tell me more.


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#4613433 - 11/11/22 09:07 PM Re: New EAST aircraft [Re: Moggy]  
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"K" was an export version of the Do17. The Croat regime needed aircraft to attack the Yugoslav Partisans, so the Ks were fitted out with extra machine guns/canons for a ground attack role.

The Croats also had Do17 Es and Zs, some inherited from the Royal Yugoslav Air Force, some supplied by the Germans.

Another interesting plane used in the Balkans, by the RAF Yugoslav Squadrons was the very formidable ground attack Hurricane IV, with big guns or rockets.

#4613442 - 11/11/22 11:21 PM Re: New EAST aircraft [Re: Moggy]  
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I can't find any info on this version of the Do-17. Can you either post a link or give me some data on the additional guns so I can make an appropriate FM?

Also, the Hurricane should be a relatively easy addition


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#4613445 - 11/12/22 12:03 AM Re: New EAST aircraft [Re: Moggy]  
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For Do17K see this http://www.letletlet-warplanes.com/2008/04/30/dornier-do17k-history/
It seems the strafer versions had (at least) 2 x 20 mm canon installed in the nose (this version had a longer nose and more powerful radial engines), and a more varied ground attack bomb load.

The Hurricane IV was the last major production modification of the Hurricane series. The main feature was a new wing design, which could mount eight RP-3 rockets or two 40 mm Vickers S guns for attacking ground targets. May have been equipped with more powerful Merlin 24 or 27 engines, but it is disputed. An additional 350 lb (159 kg) of armour protection for the pilot, radiator, and fuel tanks and a dust filter was added for operation in desert environments. Used as a ground attack aircraft in the European theater until being replaced by the Hawker Typhoon in 1944.

can be kitted out as follows:

2 x 40 mm Vickers S cannons, wing-mounted (15 rpg = 30 total)
8 x RP-3 rockets
2 x 250 lb G.P. 250 lb Mk.IV bombs (500 lb total)
2 x 500 lb G.P. 500 lb Mk.IV bombs (1,000 lb total)

The two 40 mm guns on the wings can equip high explosive or armour piercing rounds
The usual Hurricane wing armament is reduced to 2 x 7.7 mm Browning .303 machine guns.

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#4613459 - 11/12/22 11:09 AM Re: New EAST aircraft [Re: Moggy]  
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Thanks for the link. I'll get to work on this variant in the next couple of days.

Also, the Hurricane 2D would be the natural starting point for the Hurricane IV. There's a 2D in the DAW plane inventory so it wouldn't take much to replace the desert skin with a camo skin from any one of the many Hurricanes we have available.

Then it would be pretty easy to edit the horsepower, loadout and armor rating of the 2D flight model.


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#4613740 - 11/15/22 11:44 AM Re: New EAST aircraft [Re: Moggy]  
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Do17Ka3 Croatian ground attack/strafer version. Yugoslavia 1942-45.

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#4613757 - 11/15/22 02:04 PM Re: New EAST aircraft [Re: Moggy]  
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Looks pretty darn good, considering it's humble beginnings from 20 or so years ago.

Now, what are we doing for the Hurricane IV? Oh and BTW, Talley-ho has a Yugoslav skin for a Hurricane I if you want a start point.


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#4613777 - 11/15/22 04:40 PM Re: New EAST aircraft [Re: Moggy]  
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This I worked up from an old go at the Hurricane IV by Jamie Richards and Charles Gunst.

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Probably needs a proper 1.6 FM which handles the loading/unloading of the canons, and other ground attack loads.

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#4613779 - 11/15/22 04:46 PM Re: New EAST aircraft [Re: Moggy]  
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And this is its companion the RAF Balkan Air Force (Yugoslav) Sqn Spitfire 9c:

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#4613781 - 11/15/22 05:04 PM Re: New EAST aircraft [Re: Moggy]  
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Is that a lo-res Hurricane?

I ask because it will affect the placement of the underwing hardpoints depending on if it's lo-res or hi-res.


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#4613824 - 11/16/22 12:28 AM Re: New EAST aircraft [Re: Moggy]  
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It is a low res model essentially. The gun pods were attached using e & g.3dz

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Is that your plan? Or would you consider using the hi-res Hurricane 2d as a starting place?


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#4613847 - 11/16/22 08:46 AM Re: New EAST aircraft [Re: Moggy]  
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It was a fill-in, in the hope there would be something better in due course.

So yes, one built on the high res model would be very desirable.

The way I am approaching the various scenarios that can be flown in the Italy /Balkans/Ukraine map is to make the plane list, fill it with whatever is quickly available, or can be quickly adapted, and replace those fill-in with better models as and when.

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#4613848 - 11/16/22 09:54 AM Re: New EAST aircraft [Re: Moggy]  
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OK, I'll take a look around and pick out the best model I can find.


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