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#4608677 - 09/14/22 10:22 PM Is EAW Beginner Friendly?  
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Looking for something in the European Theater. I have IL-1946 and enjoying it but stuck still on “easy” mode. My father flew in European Theater and I have always been interested in it.


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#4608693 - 09/15/22 08:08 AM Re: Is EAW Beginner Friendly? [Re: Snow46]  
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EAW v1.2 is about the easiest as it comes in that there aren't much actions required to get airborne and start fighting. After starting your plane you go full throttle and when you achieve an appropiate speed you lightly pull back on your joystick and off you go. You retract gear and with a skip function you can immediately be thrown into the battle. However as all flightsims you should at first not do extreme stick input but learn the feel of a certain plane. I would first fly around homebase a little and learn the use of flaps, how the plane behaves without an engine, how to get out of stalls, etc. Obviously some help from experienced pilots will get you fighting a lot faster. Mapping controls is very usefull but requires some insight on which ones you use most but you're free to map everything to your liking. Try landing a few times, if you slowly descend it will almost land itself, just a slight pull on the stick on touch down and you should live to fight another day.

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#4608694 - 09/15/22 08:10 AM Re: Is EAW Beginner Friendly? [Re: Snow46]  
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It has different modes of easiness. The lowest allows you to fly in an indestructable plane with no limit to ammunition, no cockpit, padlocking.
One of the advantages vs the IL2 series is the ability to respawn which can be set to on or off. If it is on and you are killed you can re-spawn in another plane if there is one available.

There is a UAW160 basic installation here if you want to try it:

UAW160 Test installation

It has my "eaw.ini" file in it which suits my Logitech Extreme 3D PRO joystick

The downloaded installer is a 7-Zip self extractor. Windows and some anti-virus programs may find it suspicious, but I will guarantee that it is clean.

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#4608749 - 09/15/22 07:48 PM Re: Is EAW Beginner Friendly? [Re: Snow46]  
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Yes it is if you select easy

in Game setup (configure game screen) > Difficulty, Flight , Easy

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MrJelly:
once again you keep invading the regular EAW forum (EAW 1 - 1.28 series) with your UAW160 propaganda - why don't you post those in your subforum EAW 1.6+

UAW 160 is not EAW it UAW by your own device!

#4608766 - 09/15/22 10:22 PM Re: Is EAW Beginner Friendly? [Re: Snow46]  
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Where can you buy it? I see it on Steam and GOG. Which has the version 1.2? If later I want to go to V1.6 is that just a series of patches and if so, where do I get them?

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#4608770 - 09/15/22 11:44 PM Re: Is EAW Beginner Friendly? [Re: FsFOOT]  
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Originally Posted by FsFOOT

MrJelly:
once again you keep invading the regular EAW forum (EAW 1 - 1.28 series) with your UAW160 propaganda - why don't you post those in your subforum EAW 1.6+

UAW 160 is not EAW it UAW by your own device!



FsFoot...there's nothing wrong with Mr.Jelly making a new user aware of a modification that is available that we have a sub-forum for. He was very clear about it being a modification.

Tone it down please.


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#4608775 - 09/16/22 06:02 AM Re: Is EAW Beginner Friendly? [Re: Snow46]  
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Thanks Force10.
Snow46 started this thread, and as there is a freely available test version of UAW160 I posted a link in my response to his initial post. The download installs a stand-alone version with just the ETO theatre and the same aircraft as EAW 1.2 wink

My understanding is that the two sub-forums were created to avoid arguments between VBH and the code group. We never post in the EAWPro sub-forum and VBH cannot post in ours. The arrangement did not stop VBH from starting the "1-28e-we-show-no-bandits-in-your-area" in the main forum, even though it relates to a code-group release wink

Originally Posted by Snow46
Where can you buy it? I see it on Steam and GOG. Which has the version 1.2? If later I want to go to V1.6 is that just a series of patches and if so, where do I get them?


Try the free version first using the link I posted in my first reply. It is not a series of patches.

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#4608937 - 09/17/22 08:26 PM Re: Is EAW Beginner Friendly? [Re: Snow46]  
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I did buy and download the version from GOG and patched it. The controls seem simple however I cant seem to get my Thrustmaster T16000M FCS to work on the game. I have changed the controls a number of times to identify control by the FCS but nothing changes. Is there something else I need to load, I did look at the preloaded FCS configurations and did not see one for EAW. Do I need a different flight stick? Maybe the T16000 is too advanced??? My intent was to try the game at the basic level and once I understood it, take a close look at the 1.6 version for comparison. But without a working fcs, not sure what to do. Can you recommend a joystick/flight control stick that I should be usiing?


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#4608954 - 09/18/22 08:25 AM Re: Is EAW Beginner Friendly? [Re: Snow46]  
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I use a Logitech Extreme 3D Pro. It has a twist handle rudder, but in UAW160 I can use it with my Saitek rudder pedals if I want to. This cannot be done with 1.2 pr 1.28.
I'm getting lazy and the pedals are unplugged at the moment.

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My intent was to try the game at the basic level and once I understood it, take a close look at the 1.6 version for comparison

There is little difference between 1.2 and the basic 160 in terms of the complexity of game-play.
The full 160 installation gives you a choice of eaw exes, theatres and plane-sets. You make your choices using file-manager programs which come with the installation.

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After that it is like running the basic 160 wink


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#4608957 - 09/18/22 11:03 AM Re: Is EAW Beginner Friendly? [Re: Snow46]  
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Hey Snow46. You may be having the same issue with a file Jel mentions renaming or deleting here.
https://SimHQ.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/4608903/re-problems-getting-eaw-installed#Post4608903

#4608975 - 09/18/22 05:32 PM Re: Is EAW Beginner Friendly? [Re: Snow46]  
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The hall effect stick itself should not pose any problems, one of the Launchpad's players was very successful with it, but that was the standalone joystick. In fact he was so successful that he managed to pull the stick out of it's base, how's that for damage realism! Maybe you can try just the stick without other peripherals in USB port 1 and make sure to select it as your primary gaming device. The HOTAS version has got 2 additional controllers which v1.2 can not handle unless these are daisy chained to the stick and only one port is used. The rest should then depend on proper mapping of the additional devices.

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With the dinput.dll file installed I do have guns working on the T16000 M FCS but cannot control the aircraft or adjust the throttle. I did use the settings for control=joystick, throttle=throttle. So I renamed the dinput.dll file and then nothing worked on the joystick. Not sure what the next move will be, I am not using anything but the basic FCS. The T16000M FCS does work on IL-1946 and WOTR. I am headed for Paris, Normandy, coast of France, and Spain in two days and will be gone from the PC for 17 days. I will see if Amazon carries the Logitech Extreme 3D Pro and if so will order one so it is here when I get back. Do you know if I need to change any of the ini or dll files to use it?


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https://www.amazon.com/Extreme-3D-Pro-Joystick-Windows/dp/B00009OY9U/ref=sr_1_1?crid=HJJBI6YP5Z37&keywords= Logitech +3d+pro&qid=1663526751&s=amazon-devices&sprefix=logitec+3d+pro%2Camazon-devices%2C120&sr=1-1-catcorr

It's pnp
Just type USB controllers in the search box and calibrate it.



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#4608995 - 09/19/22 01:22 AM Re: Is EAW Beginner Friendly? [Re: Snow46]  
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Sorry, not sure what all that means and how to use it.


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have you gone through the setup process of assigning keys in the game? You have to tell the game which keys you want to use for which action and setup is not automatic. You can set it up by selecting CONFIGURE GAME in the opening screen and select joystick for main flight control. Next asign your stick buttons for firing weapons and dropping bombs and acquaint yourself with the choices you have. The setup process will ask you to swap controls when you already have it selected elsewhere. The game requires to see the stick in the first game slot in the configuring of Window's gaming devices

Russ posted a URL to Amazon, you can copy/paste it into the adress bar in your browser to find the Logitech joystick.and a calibration screen. The calibration screen is for properly setting the stick's center and movement.

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I am using a Thrustmaster T16000M FCS and did go o the configuration menu and selected joystick for control. Did not work. I did some researching and found a list of joysticks/FCS and throttles/pedals that EAW works well with. The Thrustmaster was not on the list. I did order the extreme 3D Pro from Amazon and it should arrive around the 23rd of September.

When I open the windows 10 devices, the flight stick is the last one on the list. Not sure how to move it to the first position.

I will copy the url on calibration of the “new” joystick, thanks. I may be asking more stupid questions when I get back. It is interesting to note that the Thrustmaster works ok on IL-1946 and WOTR.

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I had a thrust master T1600M and it never worked nice in EAW.Worked fairly good without the throttle quadrant.I went to a Logitech 3d pro and never an issue.I just don't use the Logitec programming software it's crap and not needed


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Unfortunately I have Windows 10 and this doesnt seem to help. Joystick is the last item on the list.
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While the thrustmaster is being seen by the computer, because the guns do fire from the joystick, it doesnt control the action of the aircraft. I have saved the data on how to calibrate the different joystick and will try that when I can.

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An edited copy of some info re- mixing a USB joystick and USB rudder pedals. Maybe it could be adapted smile

Note: It is not possible to set a combination of rudder pedals and a joystick in EAW1.2 the FXExe, EAWPro, or the GoG/Steam release.

Screen-dumps of earlier posts relating to the code-group releases:

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Thanks, I did read in some older notes that the patch for EAW included a dixi.ini file that included a number of more modern controllers. I opened it and found that it covered a bunch of gaming controls. So I renamed the dixi.ini to dixi.bak and the dinput.dll file to dinput.bak. Now the FCS is working. I have only tried on the quick start and noticed that a number of the keypad functions didnt work. Not sure if that is because it is set up to do a quick fight. will read the book and try a couple of more things to check it out.

Next step is to get a little familiar with the game. If I remember correctly, there is an updated version of the game (UAW160) can you tell me what it changes in the game and how to either update the 1,24 version and how big it is? I will not be able to make any changes until I return from Europe.

Thanks for all the help!

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The installed 160 basic folder is 1 gigabyte.and the installer is 276 megabytes.
The full UAW160 folder is 7 gigabytes. It contains several theatre folders, skin and flight model folders, planesets, default files, file managers and editors for online and offline games.
However, the eaw.exe works just like the one in the 160 basic installation.
As I wrote before 160 will handle a joystick and rudder pedals. In theory it will handle three but I have never been able to test it.
Too much has been done since 2006 to list. In 1.2 there are many hard coded tables of data in the "eaw.exe" and in the source code there were comments by TK and others saying "must be moved into an external file".
We did that, and the gain is that we can edit the external files without having to build a new "eaw.exe".

UAW 160 has gun convergence the "non-code group" exes do not.
UAW 160 allows for millions of terrain tiles whereas the "non-code group" exes allow for a maximum of 64
UAW 160 allows for up to 1000 TMod types (ground objects) whereas the "non-code group" exes allow for just 74
UAW 160 uses the "Dir.set" system which allows the exe to read theatre files from a folder.
Tt also used the "FMDir.set" system which allows the exe to read flight model files from a folder. It also has the "PDir.set" system which allows the exe to read aircraft skin files from a folder.
In mutiplayer games the "non-code group" exes do not allow you to set the target, let alone the bases. In UAW160 you can set the target, the enemy primary and secondary bases, and the friendly primary and secondary bases.
In UAW160 there are additional 3dz types available for aircraft skins.
In UAW160 the aircraft skin and flight model files are "slot free". The "non-code group" exes have a mixture of single plane and 30 plane flight model files and they are not slot-free. UAW160 only has single plane files.
The "non-code group" exes are locked into a 640x320 tile-map. UAW160 allows for different sizes.
UAW 160 uses 1024x768 selection screens. The "non-code group" exes still use 640x480.
A nice feature of UAW160 is the use of multiskin files for aircraft, and the BMP files can be used for skin and terrain textures.

This is a far from comprehensive list, but it will give you an idea about the sort of things that have been done.






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First let me say that you don't have to jump into UAW160 that MrJelly trys to pitch everyone.

The EAW code group versions, aka EAW 1.28, 1.28a,b,c,d,and E (f is really mrJelly's as well as 1.29) and EAW 1.3 are available as well as other non code group versions like Vonbeerhofen's EAWPro, FXexe etc.
However, to avoid both the CD-check and the dreaded 7217 (Video driver support related) error which may be encountered on almost all previous versions.

And then there is the Gog 1.2 and Steam versions (one and the same).

The EAW 1.28E is surely the most viable Go to version.

Although imperfect, EAW 1.28E is basically the best mid-range upgrade option while you are learning EAW.

While my Site EAWonLinux lists some information and is geared toward the Linux user, it has links such as the EAW Page and How To get and use EAW 1.28e version in Wine on Linux (the basics and some possible problems also apply to Windows EAW use) the main help site for information in all its complexities is the EAW Help Site
Then also there is Sandbagger's EAW TallyHo sort of the original Depot for all EAW stuff.

  • The main things to know about EAW as a beginner are;
  • 1. There was a CD check. On original versions you need the original disk, a 'fake' dis, later patched .exe or workaround (except the Gog / Steam / Humble Bundle version)
  • 2. There is an error called the 7217 error and earlier versions suffer for it on some video cards, platforms.
  • 3. EAW 1.2 is basiclly an arcade style flight model and the gunnery like a shotgun burst very unsatifying and unrealistic to any but the raw novice to flight / dogfights.
  • 4. EAWrp "Realism Patch" (versions) give the Flight damage and Gunnery model that really gives EAW its primary value. The Realism Patch versions were created by Ralf "Knegel' Kraeft. The EAWrp is included is all the code group versions (there are several versions such EAWrp 2.6, 2.8, 3.0 in 1.3 etc.)
    Also the earliest non code group version the EAW 1.26 had the first gunery model which also included the AI Cannons patch which enable the AI to first use their cannon against you (former versions did not due to a mis-coding bug. An example of how lame the original gunnery 1.2 model is.
  • 5. MrJelly will always try to 'sell you' the UAW whatever version - siince it has become his private project.
    It is IMHO the kitchen sink version, It is maybe technically the best but also the most CPU intensive and technically challenging to follow the path of upgrades, changes and revisions.



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My post was a reply to questions that the person who created the thread asked:
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If I remember correctly, there is an updated version of the game (UAW160) can you tell me what it changes in the game and how to either update the 1,24 version and how big it is?


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FsFOOT...that's enough of the EAW politics and making statements that aren't helpful.

For the purpose of this thread...which the goal of helping a new user get up and running that doesn't yet understand the division going on here ...any helpful info is welcome. Once he decides on which version he wants to run, he can post his questions in the appropriate section.

You're the only one having an issue at the moment. Keep the insults out of this thread. I've asked you nicely...last warning.


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I think I am partially to blame by asking questions because of my ignorance of EAW. To date I have downloaded and installed the GOG version of the game and have spent most of my time troubleshooting FCS issues, learning the controls and reading the original EAW manual. I have, what was last years, reasonably good gaming PC as business is done on a Mac. I have noticed how easy it is to shoot down aircraft, but honestly haven’t really spent the time to decide whether I am happy with the game or not. It sounds like there are lots of patches available but I still do not understand the logical path to grow my game and my playing. I also am confused as to what my next logical patch/upgrade should be and how to download and install it/them. I do appreciate the help and advice however and apologize for creating a disturbance within the politics of the EAW SimHQ community l


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#4609255 - 09/22/22 01:59 AM Re: Is EAW Beginner Friendly? [Re: Snow46]  
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Originally Posted by Snow46
I think I am partially to blame by asking questions because of my ignorance of EAW. To date I have downloaded and installed the GOG version of the game and have spent most of my time troubleshooting FCS issues, learning the controls and reading the original EAW manual. I have, what was last years, reasonably good gaming PC as business is done on a Mac. I have noticed how easy it is to shoot down aircraft, but honestly haven’t really spent the time to decide whether I am happy with the game or not. It sounds like there are lots of patches available but I still do not understand the logical path to grow my game and my playing. I also am confused as to what my next logical patch/upgrade should be and how to download and install it/them. I do appreciate the help and advice however and apologize for creating a disturbance within the politics of the EAW SimHQ community l


You're all good Snow46...it's on us. If nothing else it shows there's a strong passion with this sim and it does have something to offer if you're not big on graphics...lol. I take gameplay over graphics every time myself.

I haven't had a functioning install of EAW on my machine in 3 years or so. I've been lucky to have the installs go well with the versions I've tried. Hopefully someone with more knowledge (and is objective) can get you sorted.

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#4609256 - 09/22/22 02:00 AM Re: Is EAW Beginner Friendly? [Re: Snow46]  
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You didn’t cause anything and should feel no guilt. You were completely on target by asking questions and getting help.

You are not responsible for the bad feelings between some of those who modify and improve the game. They have different projects and have strong feelings about the system that they are developing. As said, there are three “styles” of EAW. The standard variations of 1.2, 1.6, and EAW Pro. You should feel free to try all three and see what fits you best. Use the main forum for 1.2 questions. Use the two sub-forums as appropriate for each system. Do be afraid of trying them. The modders will be happy to help you and are very talented. They are very good at solving hardware and software issues.


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#4609269 - 09/22/22 06:10 AM Re: Is EAW Beginner Friendly? [Re: Snow46]  
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Can we please clarify that the 1.6 sub-forum covers all of the "code-group" releases from 1.28 onwards, and not just UAW160 wink
Additionally, there should be nothing to stop a potential EAW user from asking questions in the main forum, as did Snow46, and that those questions can be replied to there, as both VBH and I did.

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#4609271 - 09/22/22 06:28 AM Re: Is EAW Beginner Friendly? [Re: Snow46]  
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It sounds like there are lots of patches available but I still do not understand the logical path to grow my game

As far as UAW160 is concerned it is the last of the line that started with 1.28. There is nothing to stop you from trying the basic release to see how well the exe runs on your PC and then installing the full version if you are happy with it.
The full version uses the same exe as the basic version, it just has a heap of plane skin and flight model folders, plane-sets and theatre folders.

The 1.2, EAWPro and 160 basic launch processes are identical:
Run the "eaw.exe"
Select single mission
Select an aircraft
Set the mission parameters
Fly
In the full 160 you use the file-manager to select the theatre and plane-set before you launch the game.

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#4609318 - 09/22/22 04:29 PM Re: Is EAW Beginner Friendly? [Re: Snow46]  
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So what must I do to go from the GOG download to V1.6? I will follow up with a PM. Thanks MrJelly for all the great information. I also loaded (earlier) IL-1946 but didn’t have the load speed to down load the BAT file. I also bought the WOTR game but there is no book to tell me what is going on or how to keep up with the friendly AI aircraft. Consequently I an interested in pursuing 1.6 of EAW. Thanks for stepping up in the general forum in spite of the Flak.


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#4609321 - 09/22/22 04:54 PM Re: Is EAW Beginner Friendly? [Re: Snow46]  
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I've learned through the years gaming.Don't spread yourself too thin.Decide on one sim and learn it well.As your skills improve then move onto another sim using the knowledge you got from the first one.Il-2 isn't a good choice for a new pilot.And don't worry Jelly is a combat veteran from here


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#4609325 - 09/22/22 05:16 PM Re: Is EAW Beginner Friendly? [Re: Snow46]  
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Originally Posted by Snow46
So what must I do to go from the GOG download to V1.6? I will follow up with a PM. Thanks MrJelly for all the great information. I also loaded (earlier) IL-1946 but didn’t have the load speed to down load the BAT file. I also bought the WOTR game but there is no book to tell me what is going on or how to keep up with the friendly AI aircraft. Consequently I an interested in pursuing 1.6 of EAW. Thanks for stepping up in the general forum in spite of the Flak.


I have replied to your PM wink


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#4609328 - 09/22/22 05:27 PM Re: Is EAW Beginner Friendly? [Re: Snow46]  
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I have a question in the event I install EAW again soon.

Which modification still uses the quasi "dynamic" campaign engine that shipped with the game?

I imagine the new theaters may not make use of it...I'm really not interested in single missions.

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#4609336 - 09/22/22 06:08 PM Re: Is EAW Beginner Friendly? [Re: Snow46]  
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I need to check. However, what I do know is that with UAW160 you can fly the original ETO campaigns.
It is just a matter of selecting the default ETO plane-set and the default 1.2 ETO theatre (without the Allied Carrier target which was added to 1.28c).
It is better to use the old map exe so that the briefing screen map is visible.
AFAIK the videos will not run as the player is incompatible with the later versions of Windows.
The same type of set-up can be used for career missions in other theatres that were released with th career system.


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#4609340 - 09/22/22 06:24 PM Re: Is EAW Beginner Friendly? [Re: Force10]  
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Originally Posted by Force10
Which modification still uses the quasi "dynamic" campaign engine that shipped with the game?

I imagine the new theaters may not make use of it...I'm really not interested in single missions.

Thanks!


The only add-on campaign that has correct dynamic campaigns is SPAW. 'Cuz I hate single mission too!

The squadron names and other historical facts were edited to reflect the USN, FAF, JAF and JNF.

The available planes, the number of planes, types of ordinance and when they appear were edited to reflect historical facts.

The start and end dates for the campaigns were edited.

Airbases, targets and ground models were all edited to reflect the Pacific Theater experience.

And a bunch of other stuff that I've forgotten since it was released about 15 years ago.

Took all four members of the ModSquad a full year to produce, BTW.


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I just tried a career in the UAW160 basic set-up and it worked.

With Bandicam I made videos of the start and set-up, and the debriefing.
I also made one of the mission but I exited early to save time.


Part one: The start and the set-up

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#4609360 - 09/23/22 12:40 AM Re: Is EAW Beginner Friendly? [Re: Snow46]  
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Just an opinion, but I don't think EAW is "user-friendly" enough, at least nowadays.

This thread kinda says so.

Forget all the more advanced iterations of EAW for the moment.

Forget that most of us have learned how to configure the game to our computers.

Forget that MarkEAW's site exists explicitly to help folks play EAW.

Until both the Steam and GOG versions are without flaws, and a simple few clicks away from running properly, newcomers have a certain amount of "learning" to do that is, IMHO, unacceptable for newcomers to the game., or most any game, for that matter.

I understand that some folks here have made "patches" for the Steam and GOG versions of the game. Unfortunately, folks will have to find them here in this rather obscure forum.

Any newcomer who tries to install EAW directly from an old CD is in for some issues, as we all #%&*$# well know.

So, NO, EAW is not currently Beginner-friendly

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Compared to other flight sims (IL2 etc) it is very simple.

Playing the game:

You run the eaw.exe and it loads instantly
You select "single mission"
You select an aircraft
You set up mission parameters
You fly the mission

In terms of difficulty setting:

Game Set-up
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Difficulty:
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Flight:
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Combat:
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Display:
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Ay. I also got the impression he was talking more inflight ease. *shrug*

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With all respect, and your having supplied patches for both GOG and Steam versions of EAW, submit that most existing versions of EAW are not "user-friendly".

Neither Steam nor Gog players of the game are without problems. That is on the purveyors of deficient games, and up to them to fix.

Patching such games is a fine thing, but I think that deliberately intruding another version of the game which the user did not ask for., is something else.

I appreciate your contributions to EAW, but don't appreciate your contributions being "rammed down" anyone's throat.

I also object to such "Forceful" suggestions being made to folks who are ignorant about EAW, and its 'various" iterations.

My comments are not intended as insulting, but to suggest that I have a differing opinion. I certainly appreciate your many contributions to the EAW community.

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You're the second guy in the last couple of days who's made these "ram down the throat" type comments pertaining to Mr. Jelly. The guy who has single handedly ( well, with some help from a couple of us modders) kept the sim going for at least the last 10 years.

Cut it out.

You don't have something good to say, say nothing.


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#4609543 - 09/25/22 07:00 AM Re: Is EAW Beginner Friendly? [Re: RIBob]  
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Originally Posted by RIBob

Neither Steam nor Gog players of the game are without problems. That is on the purveyors of deficient games, and up to them to fix.

Patching such games is a fine thing, but I think that deliberately intruding another version of the game which the user did not ask for., is something else.


1. They cannot fix the problems, and there is no response from them to the posts re-these problems in the GoG EAW forum and the Steam EAW forum.

[Linked Image]

I do not think that they have the source code or the editors that they need to fix problems like the crashing of career games and the mouse selection issues.
Atari did not have the source code.

2. The patches were OAW installations which provided several additional theatres, skies and terrains for the user to use.
Additionally the GoG version provided the first version of the eaw.exe that GoG released.

Back to the actual topic. EAW is a war flight simulator. All war flight simulators are implicitly complex.
What versions of EAW are you currently running, and can you give us an example of a war flight simulator that is more easy to install and use than EAW?


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#4609545 - 09/25/22 11:08 AM Re: Is EAW Beginner Friendly? [Re: Rotton50]  
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Originally Posted by Rotton50
You're the second guy in the last couple of days who's made these "ram down the throat" type comments pertaining to Mr. Jelly..


Do I observe some persistent finger pointing here again? Would you like to elaborate on who and what you mean?

I don't think Mr. Jelly has an answer to these problems either judging by the numerous problem threads in this forum, sadly they don't give any insight in how many failed attempts there have been to fix a problem as normally the person simply disappears forever, which is my experience from hosting on line games with OAW in the EAW Launchpad. As always you just need some luck with the version you choose. Ofcourse there have been minor results but all information tells me that there just isn't one fix for all and everything, not even mentioning that some people's preferences can differ a lot. I for instance don't like flawed 3D models but some people seem to believe that others do when they tolerate such issues. Fortunately people can try em all and decide for themselves what they like best, EAWPRO, v1.1, v1.2, v1.28, v1.28E, v1.50, v1.60, OAW, UAW, Gog and Steam versions and all other derivatives which have thus far surfaced. I know, I know, it's not making things any easier is it?

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Originally Posted by Snow46
Looking for something in the European Theater. I have IL-1946 and enjoying it but stuck still on “easy” mode. My father flew in European Theater and I have always been interested in it.

Snow46 started this thread, and in some of his posts he asked additional questions which were answered fairly.
Some other posts were simply not helpful.

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I for instance don't like flawed 3D models but some people seem to believe that others do when they tolerate such issues.


There are issues with the current public release version of EAWPro, but you are obviously prepared to tolerate them.
Because of the two sub-forum set-up I have not raised them. However, you continue to raise issues re- code group releases in this forum, and this is becoming a problem.



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Originally Posted by VonBeerhofen
Do I observe some persistent finger pointing here again? Would you like to elaborate on who and what you mean?


FSFoot - "MrJelly will always try to 'sell you' the UAW whatever version - since it has become his private project."

Ribob - "I appreciate your contributions to EAW, but don't appreciate your contributions being "rammed down" anyone's throat."

That's two.


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It's what they have observed and I tend to agree with them.

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Let’s keep this civil. I’m watching it with interest.


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Originally Posted by VonBeerhofen
It's what they have observed and I tend to agree with them.

VonBeerhofen


So that's three members who contend Mr. Jelly is the bad guy?

Considering the facts are not on your side, all three of you sound like you are striving for relevance in here.

Again, if you have nothing good to say. say nothing, and let this argument die an early death.


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You are elevating what is being said. They aren’t saying Mr Jelly is the bad guy. A point is being made that there is a clear effort to promote one development system as the only way.


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I dunno, OG, when someone uses the term "rammed down anyone's throat", it is not conciliatory but rather confrontational. Pointing that out isn't elevating anything.


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Originally Posted by MrJelly
However, you continue to raise issues re- code group releases in this forum, and this is becoming a problem.


Correction, I've raised an issue regarding flawed 3D models and I'm trying to fix them but I doubt I can fix all of em, about 99% isn't R/S compliant, I think Rotton said so too. I have nothing against any code group version and people are free to choose whichever version they prefer, as I wrote previously in this thread. I'm sorry if my inquisitive nature poses a problem for you and the code group, I just happen to know a bit more about EAW then most and I distinctively recall you asking for my opinion regarding v1.28E in this public forum. If however you no longer appreciate what I think about it I will refrain from further comment, I'm not the type of guy who disrespects someone else's wishes.

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Ok, this is just going to go on tit-for-tat.

Everybody go back to your respective corners.


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