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#4413864 - 03/30/18 09:31 PM Six Frigates: The Epic History of the Founding of the U. S. Navy  
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Six Frigates: The Epic History of the Founding of the U. S. Navy


Fascinating book about the founding of the US Navy, the six frigates that started it all and the men who sailed them in wars against pirates and the greatest naval force on the planet at the time: The Royal Navy.

Some things, like politics, never change and that is brought out in this book. Other things, like chivalry, are quite different today than then.


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Hmmm. Buying it.


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#4435807 - 08/25/18 09:18 PM Re: Six Frigates: The Epic History of the Founding of the U. S. Navy [Re: F4UDash4]  
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That looks like an interesting book, I’ll have to add it to my wish list.

I noticed the Booklist blurb about it mentions Stephen Decatur but not the squadron commander, local man Commodore Edward Preble. He had an interesting career! Preble St is one of the more prominent streets in Portland, ME.


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Originally Posted by NH2112
That looks like an interesting book, I’ll have to add it to my wish list.

I noticed the Booklist blurb about it mentions Stephen Decatur but not the squadron commander, local man Commodore Edward Preble. He had an interesting career! Preble St is one of the more prominent streets in Portland, ME.



Not to worry, Preble isn't left out of the book wink


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#4436104 - 08/28/18 04:16 AM Re: Six Frigates: The Epic History of the Founding of the U. S. Navy [Re: F4UDash4]  
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Sounds like an interesting book.

"According to Henry Adams, the 1812 encounter between USS Constitution and HMS Guerriere "raised the United States in one half hour to the rank of a first class power in the world." "

Adams must have been sampling some really good cider. Constitution totally out gunned the British manned French ship.


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Here's another interesting bit of trivia that I read recently.


Number of warships (all classes) in the US Navy in 1812: 12

Number of warships (all classes) in the Royal Navy in 1812: approx. 1,000


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#4436156 - 08/28/18 02:27 PM Re: Six Frigates: The Epic History of the Founding of the U. S. Navy [Re: F4UDash4]  
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Another book worth reading is 'American Ships of the Colonial & Revolutionary Periods' by John F Millar. ISBN 0-393-03222-1

This book attempts to show what is known about American ships--ships designed by, built by, or owned by Americans--before the Federal period. An introductory chapter explains basic features common to all ships of the seventeenth and eighteenth centuries, including design, construction, rigs, and purposes for which they were built. The rest of the book is devoted to the specifics of over 150 ships of all sizes, giving an account of the history and significance of each ship, as well as plans of each hull, in some cases accompanied by sketches based on eyewitness portraits of the original ships.


There was only 16 squadrons of RAF fighters that used 100 octane during the BoB.
The Fw190A could not fly with the outer cannon removed.
There was no Fw190A-8s flying with the JGs in 1945.
#4436363 - 08/29/18 10:43 PM Re: Six Frigates: The Epic History of the Founding of the U. S. Navy [Re: F4UDash4]  
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Well... 12 is not the strength of the US armed shipping.
I see 42 vessels under arms in 1812 to 51 at the end of the year from 3 decks, which is likely an incomplete selection.

While most are schooners or brigs active as privateers, they are operating against vessels in or protected by the RN.
Also while the RN has many rated vessels, a fairly large number are unrated sloops and brigs and other small vessels, and the naval vessels are stretched around the sea lanes of the world (including actively suppressing the African and Middle Eastern Slave trades since 1807).

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The battle between the Shannon and the Chesapeake off Cape Cod is a big part of The Fortune of War by Patrick O’Brian. It hasn’t been long since I finished that series of books for the fifth or so time, but I think I may have to start again at the beginning. It’s such an immersive world!


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I was just listening to a Dan Carlin podcast interview of Ian W. Toll in which Toll stated that he had promised his publisher a "sequel" to Six Frigates. I don't know what that would entail but I am excited at the prospect!


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Originally Posted by KraziKanuK
Sounds like an interesting book.

Constitution totally out gunned the British manned French ship.


While true, the British had several times fought and beat French and Spanish ships of superior firepower and tonnage (including 24lbs frigates), and Dacres, Carden, and Lambert were all eager to pit their 38s against the American 44s (Dacres especially was somewhat familiar with the Humphreys frigates from his pre-war experience). Remember, Lambert even "chased" Constitution for a bit, so eager was he for a fight.

In the 18th and early 19th century, the Royal Navy had become used to winning naval engagements almost no matter the odds. The duels with the American '44s put the British on notice that America as a naval power might still be outnumbered, but could challenge the Royal Navy in a "fair" fight.

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Here is a good link. I liked the part of how the Frigate Captains were the top of the heap in esteem.

https://warfarehistorynetwork.com/the-frigate-sailing-ship-pride-of-the-british-royal-navy/


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Excellent article OG, thanks!


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