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#4605825 - 08/12/22 06:47 PM Finding German Artillery Cooperation Units?  
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Hi,

Can anyone recommend a German two-seater unit that does mostly Art.Obs? I have been trying to find one in manual enlistment, but all the Fliegerabteilung (A) units appear to be listed as Recon/Bombing.

#4605828 - 08/12/22 07:27 PM Re: Finding German Artillery Cooperation Units? [Re: Bletchley]  
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Most of them seem to mix it up to some degree or another. FA23 is big on Photo recon with Arty Obs as a sideline, but I haven't used one that was really big into fall of shot.

#4605830 - 08/12/22 08:06 PM Re: Finding German Artillery Cooperation Units? [Re: Bletchley]  
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My first three missions in FA(A) 206 near Verdun in Oct/Nov 1916 have all been Arty-Obs, but I can't say for sure it will continue, especially since the battle has now ended.

Note 1: Just noticed something very strange. Although my squadron is listed as FA(A) 206 at the top of the screen, my squadron insignia shows 208s, located at Porcher, right next to Verdun. Furthermore, the pilot enlistment screen shows FA(A) 206 is located in Alsace, far from Verdun.

Possible bug?

Note 2: Definitely something strange is going on. I recommend enlisting in FA(A) 208s from March through November 1916 instead of FA(A) 206, although enlisting in either one may wind up with you in the same place!

Note 3: And...enlisting in FA(A) 208s displays AFA 206 at the top of the screen, albeit with the correct squadron crest and name in the body of the screen. Our airfield is Porcher in Verdun.

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#4605867 - 08/13/22 08:19 AM Re: Finding German Artillery Cooperation Units? [Re: Bletchley]  
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Thanks for the replies! Yes, I know that a unit coded as Recon will throw up the occasional Art.Obs. mission, I just thought it a bit odd that the FA(A) units are coded as Recon/Bombing when they were artillery cooperation units. In practice the FA(A) did a lost of close reconnaissance photography of the front lines as well as Art. Obs., so maybe that as why they are coded as Recon? But I would have thought in that case they would be coded as Recon/Art.Obs or even Recon/Art.Obs./Bombing? Maybe the FA(A) units do generate a lot of Art.Obs. missions, despite their coding as Recon. I guess I will just have to pick one and try it out. I will pick FA(A) 206, BuckeyeBob, and see if I get the same mismatch that you do!

#4605882 - 08/13/22 06:25 PM Re: Finding German Artillery Cooperation Units? [Re: Bletchley]  
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FFA 13: Start 01.16, 39 missions (6 of them bombing-missions).

Greetings!

#4605883 - 08/13/22 06:43 PM Re: Finding German Artillery Cooperation Units? [Re: Bletchley]  
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Hi Becker01, thank you - were all the other missions, apart from the 6 bombing missions, Art.Obs.?

The FFA (Feldfliegerabteilung) units were the multi-role forerunner of the FA and FA(A). At the end of 1916 / start of 1917 the FFAs were reorganised into FA and FA(A). The FA concentrated on high altitude targetted photographic reconnaissance behind the Allied lines, whilst the FA(A) concentrated on artillery and infantry support (a mixture of artillery ranging, close photographic reconnaissance of the front lines, and infantry contact patrols).

I will start an FA(A) pilot career and see what happens... smile

Well, I started a career in FA(A) 206, and it seems to be generating roughly the same number of Art.Obs. as Photo Recon missions, with the occasional bombing mission. So I guess the Recon/Bombing notation must include more than just the occasional Art Obs mission for the FA(A) units, which is good smile

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#4605885 - 08/13/22 08:49 PM Re: Finding German Artillery Cooperation Units? [Re: Bletchley]  
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Hi,

6 bombing missions, 5 Recon (notes), 28 photo recon, 1 art. spotting. And 1918 it is FA13 (sorry, not the kind of squadron you would like to take).

Greetings!

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#4605910 - 08/14/22 05:29 AM Re: Finding German Artillery Cooperation Units? [Re: Bletchley]  
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Hi Becker01, that sounds right for an FA unit. Thanks!

The FA Lb units (the Riehenbilder ones) are cool - you get high altitude photo recon with those smile

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#4606084 - 08/16/22 11:14 AM Re: Finding German Artillery Cooperation Units? [Re: Bletchley]  
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BuckeyBob regarding the points you say... I will quickly try to answer.

1) FA(A)206 here, shows as 206, and 206 logo in Manual enlistment through Sept/Oct/Nov 1916 (and 1917/1918). Also shows 206 logo top left in campaign (13 OCT 2016), says I am in 206 on top left, and upper mid text "Squadon:206" so fine here. Airfield says Sierentz, Alsace.


3) Here, 208s shows 208s logo in Oct/Nov1916 and in campaign screen top, It says I am in 208 on left - but text upper middle right does say, as you saw, "Squadron: 206" rather than 208.

Many units changed names, split, merged etc. It's possible they joined for a while for an offensive or something but it looks like a typo in the squadron. Not sure Shredward would have any other info on it, if he sees this.

Send me your 206 pilot files and 208 please to support email?

208 seems to be incorrect. But 206 seems fine, and both logos seem fine..

Attached Files FA-A-206 2022.08.16 - 12.05.26.91.jpgFA-A-208 2022.08.16 - 12.05.26.91.jpg

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#4606086 - 08/16/22 12:19 PM Re: Finding German Artillery Cooperation Units? [Re: Bletchley]  
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Actually your point 1 we understand what you may have done ; you enlisted in 208s originally not 206. Then later came back to the pilot and saw the text "squadron:206" and the dossier says 206 etc so believed you are in 206. Also now as you think you are 206 the logo seems wrong as it was showing 208s.

Then you enlisted in 208s consciously to check it, and saw the "Squadron: 206" again, but now because you know you're in 208s the logo looks (and is) correct.

Anyway the crux of it is there is only 1 issue and that's in 208.

Fixed for V1.34. (OUT NOW)

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#4606118 - 08/16/22 06:13 PM Re: Finding German Artillery Cooperation Units? [Re: Bletchley]  
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Thanks, Pol, for looking into the issue and correcting it so quickly.

I can't remember exactly how I discovered the mix-up, but I'm sure you have accurately described and fixed the problem.

Carry on!


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#4606261 - 08/18/22 02:04 PM Re: Finding German Artillery Cooperation Units? [Re: Bletchley]  
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