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#4605011 - 08/02/22 09:53 PM 1:32nd scale Lloyd C.V  
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Hi all,
The build of the Junkers J.1 is coming to a close.
So next up is the 1:32nd scale resin/3D printed Lloyd C.V from 'Lukgraph'.

On October the 4th, 1917, Feldpilot (Zugsfuhrer) Adolph Wiltsch and his Observer Roman Schmidt were flying Lloyd C.V Serial No: 46.01 from Flik 13 on the Russian Front.
They were attacked by three Russian ‘Sopwith’ type aircraft.
They managed to evade these attackers and Schmidt managed to shoot down one in flames.
This was Schmidt’s third aerial victory.

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#4605074 - 08/04/22 07:37 AM Re: 1:32nd scale Lloyd C.V [Re: Sandbagger]  
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You're full of obscure surprises bagger. I've never knew the Welsh built aircraft but I'm glad to see it.

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Originally Posted by catch

You're full of obscure surprises bagger. I've never knew the Welsh built aircraft but I'm glad to see it.


Actually it was initially going to be called the Evans C.V, part of the TAFF (Tactical Air Fighter Force).
It wasn't very successful though as it had a lot of leeks.

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#4605090 - 08/04/22 01:10 PM Re: 1:32nd scale Lloyd C.V [Re: Sandbagger]  
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Originally Posted by Sandbagger
Originally Posted by catch

You're full of obscure surprises bagger. I've never knew the Welsh built aircraft but I'm glad to see it.


Actually it was initially going to be called the Evans C.V, part of the TAFF (Tactical Air Fighter Force).
It wasn't very successful though as it had a lot of leeks.

Mike


What a strange looking machine! What's that over the top wing? It looks like a fuel tank to me but I cannot fathom why they would put it there...?

As always, I'm thoroughly enjoying following your builds Mike. Your attention to detail always leaves my jaw hanging open.

Cheers!

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As far as I am aware gents' - a machine gun was mounted in that coffin-shaped box above the top wing, on the Lloyd (not to be confused with fuel tanks). The Hansa-Brandenburg D.I also had such a strange gun-mount contraption.

Cheers all & happy flying with original gun mounts,
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#4605292 - 08/07/22 10:00 AM Re: 1:32nd scale Lloyd C.V [Re: VonS]  
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Originally Posted by VonS
As far as I am aware gents' - a machine gun was mounted in that coffin-shaped box above the top wing, on the Lloyd (not to be confused with fuel tanks). The Hansa-Brandenburg D.I also had such a strange gun-mount contraption.

Cheers all & happy flying with original gun mounts,
Von S smile2


Yes it's a Type II VK gun canister.
A fuel tank was fitted instead of the gun canister, but only to the series 46 aircraft,
The aircraft had a tendency to side slip and enter a spin.
Eventually it was relegated to the training role,

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#4605419 - 08/08/22 08:16 PM Re: 1:32nd scale Lloyd C.V [Re: Sandbagger]  
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Hi all,
Having completed the basic chapters for the Lloyd C.V build log, I've found a few bits that will need adding.

Addition lower wing support rods.
Increased depth of support rods in upper wings.
Cockpit cross bracing wires.
Pilot cockpit control rods and wires etc.
Pilot cockpit flight control cables.

Plus the following.


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#4605619 - 08/10/22 07:42 PM Re: 1:32nd scale Lloyd C.V [Re: Sandbagger]  
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Hi all,
The six kit supplied 3D printed exhaust pipes are not chamfered at the ends and not bored out internally.
Also, when fitted, the exhaust pipes should be angled slightly rearwards, which the kits pipes are not.
Therefore, I discarded the kit pipes and replaced them with rod and rubber tube.

The two supplied 3D printed halves of the cooling pipe are intended to be butt joined to the engine and to each other. This is a weak method of joining parts.
Therefore I cut out and replaced the larger diameter portion of the front pipe and replaced it with Brass 1.4 mm diameter tube.
The ends of the pipe were drilled and pinned into the engine, using 0.3 mm diameter Brass rod,

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#4605786 - 08/12/22 01:13 PM Re: 1:32nd scale Lloyd C.V [Re: Sandbagger]  
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Hi all,
My assumptions for how the engine cooling system worked are:

The engine driven water pump on the lower, rear of the engine, supplied water to the six engine cylinders.
This supply was pumped through a pipe interconnected to the lower right of the cylinders.
The water flowed up inside the cooling jacket of each cylinder and flowed out into the the return in the camshaft housing.
From there it flowed through the external forward pipe over the camshaft housing and into the base of the radiator.
It was then drawn around the inside of the radiator housing then down through the radiator to be drawn back to the water pump through the external rear pipe.

The external overhead cooling pipe supplied in the kit is in two parts and joined together.
The radiator just sits on the top of this pipe.
However, it seems this is not correct as can be seen from the following photographs taken at the time.
The supply to and the return from the radiator are separate pipes, which given the above would make sense.

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#4606051 - 08/15/22 08:30 PM Re: 1:32nd scale Lloyd C.V [Re: Sandbagger]  
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Hi all,
I decided to modify the radiator pipes to better represent those fitted to the actual aircraft.
The 3D printed rear pipe in the kit was discarded and a replacement made from 1.0 mm diameter rod with a 90 degree bend in the radiator end.
A hole was drilled into the water pump on the rear of the engine and also into the underside of the radiator.
The forward facing extension to the pipe was added with 1.0 mm diameter rod and 1.2 mm diameter tube.
The forward 3D printed pipe in the kit was modified with a 1.2 mm diameter end tube and 1.0 mm diameter 90 degree bent rod.
A 1.4 mm diameter tube was cut and fitted to the pipe stub on the top, front of the camshaft housing.
A hole was drilled for this pipe in the underside of the radiator.
Although dry fitted for now, it can all be added after the fuselage, with engine, has been closed up,

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#4606074 - 08/16/22 07:32 AM Re: 1:32nd scale Lloyd C.V [Re: Sandbagger]  
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Originally Posted by Sandbagger
....to better represent those fitted to the actual aircraft ....


A masterful understatement bagger perhaps missed by some. It saddens me to see the continuing saga of these incompetent kit makers forcing you into unplanned historically accurate corrections. It's a testament to your character that you continue enthusiastically without complaint. I dip my trackir cap to you and look forward to the completion of yet another fascinating project. The Quirk's a hard act to follow but ....

#4606324 - 08/19/22 10:58 AM Re: 1:32nd scale Lloyd C.V [Re: Sandbagger]  
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Hi all,
The basic engine is nearly finished.
Just the ignition leads to add.
The control rods, pipes and exhaust pipes will be added later in the build.
As usual, painting a complete 3D printed engine is not that easy.
Personally I'd prefer to paint parts then assemble the engine, but that's the way 3D printing is taking us,

Mike

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#4606529 - 08/22/22 06:02 PM Re: 1:32nd scale Lloyd C.V [Re: Sandbagger]  
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Hallo Mike,

a short question:
I see in the panel-picture above a gauge "bank indicator". I was surprised, because I did believe, that this gauge was developed between WW1 und WW2. Is it an error of mine?

Greetings

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Originally Posted by Becker01
Hallo Mike,

a short question:
I see in the panel-picture above a gauge "bank indicator". I was surprised, because I did believe, that this gauge was developed between WW1 und WW2. Is it an error of mine?

Greetings



Good spot.
I think the illustrator took a bit of 'poetic license' with that illustration.
Although bubble indicators were is use, certainly not the modern type illustrated,

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Hi all,
The basic engine is now complete.
I've added the ignition leads, spark advance and throttle control rods and other pipes.

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Hi all,
The fuselage components have been prepared for assembly.
The wood finish is 'Tamiya' Dark Yellow (XF60) over painted with Windsor & Newton’ Griffin (Alkyd) Burnt Umber oil paint.
The ammunition drum is a spare from a 'Gaspatch' Parabellum set, as its more in-scale than the kit supplied 3D printed part.
Now it's onto the control rods and cables before the fuselage is assembled and closed up with the engine,

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Hi all,
The internal fuselage detail is now complete.
I've added Control cables and cross bracing using 0.08 mm diameter mono-filament.
The spark advance control rod is 0.4 mm diameter Nickel-Silver tube, as will be the throttle control rod.
The throttle control rod will be added after the fuselage is closed up, so it can be passed through the left side of the instrument panel frame.

I may add a map to the gunners table,

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Hi all,
I'm intending to add a flare and a grenade ammunition rack.
So I thought I ought to add the flare and grenade pistols to the gunners cockpit.
Both 'spares' from previous 'Wingnut Wings' models.
The stowage containers were made from photo-etch and 1.4 mm diameter tube.
I also added a map,

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Hi all,
Fuselage closed up now, then and the throttle control rod added (0.4 mm Nickel-Silver tube),

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It's coming along very nicely bagger. Nice usage of leftovers.

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