#4604693 - 07/28/22 04:21 PM
Desert Air War question
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MrJelly
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Checking what I think came from my original download of DAW but set up for 1.28c I see this: The flight models for the Saetta and Falco are American The Marauder is German. Was this ever fixed other than in my own modifications of DAW? The reason I am asking is that a number of recent posts relate to career issues. Once again I am trying to ascertain which campaigns were released with campaign files and unless corrected this problem could give strange results. I have the campaign files for the default ETO, Spanish Air War and South Pacific air war. Did Malta have careers? Jel
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#4604732 - 07/29/22 10:33 AM
Re: Desert Air War question
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VonBeerhofen
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I just checked the unaltered 1.28E versionand it too has a changed data set. Furthermore it shows that all targets seem to be resequenced but the campaign files remained unchanged as in stock EAW. I checked it with a file comparison program and it shows over 1000 differences in GRIDDATA alone. Some 200+ targets were no longer in their original location or modified as well and the airfield.dat was larger then the stock file, which indicates it's been also changed. When the target set is resequenced it also requires all campaign files to be edited to make sure the called targets sit on the proper side of the frontline and has the target available which the line in the camp**.dat wants to attack. If it is for instance a bombing mission and an attack on airfield, the resquenced target value used may no longer have an airfield when it's moved to a new line in the target editor or the current vale may sit on the wrong side of the front line, etc etc.. The campaign files don't have any error checking to my knowledge. This is true for practically every campaign ever created, i.e. anything derived from these files will have exactly the same problem as they all used resequencing with the one and only target editing tool available. File dates are NOT an indication of altered files, any opened files which are resaved will get a new modification date, only a file comparison will show the differences. I'm sorry to be the bearer of such bad news.
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#4604741 - 07/29/22 12:00 PM
Re: Desert Air War question
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Moggy
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but the campaign files remained unchanged as in stock EAW I have just checked my 128C version of Malta using UltraCompare, and it shows significant differences between the 1940/43 CAMPXXXX.dat, SQXXXX.dat, and MISNXX.dat and those of stock EAW. The 1940/43 SQXXXX.dat files are also much smaller than the default EAW files. Emil did not offer any amended files for 1944 or 1945 (at least in the 128C version) because that scenario did not use the 44/45 moving frontline campaign. These also appear to be the same campaign files which are in my 128E Malta setup, and therefore have the same differences to stock EAW. Emil's original 14th April 2002 Readme for Malta makes it plain that he has edited the 1940 and 1943 campaigns: The 1941 - 1942 Malta pack replaces the 1940 and 1943 original ETO campaigns with two campaigns in the Sicily - Malta area.
The 1940 slot contains the MALTA 1941 - 1942 campaign starting in January 1941 when the Luftwaffe arrives in Sicily and ending in December 1942.
The 1943 slot contains the MALTA SPRING 1941 campaign staring in January 1941 and ending at the end of May 1941 when 7./JG 26 leaves Sicily.
The aim of this campaign is to simulate the air and air to ground war over Sicily and Malta between the Royal Air Force, the Regia Aeronautica and the Luftwaffe. Malta is not, as with Emil's earlier scenarios, simply the stock 40/43 campaigns played with different planes and screens. This was after we learned how to edit to target and campaign files. Malta was derived from the original DAW setup which, as did my Midway, Spain, and Jim Farmer's original Pacific Tide had a completely new tile map and target locations. Like DAW, Spain and Pacific Tide it also had new campaign structures. Units available for the 1941 - 1942 Malta campaign: --------------------------------------------------
- British Aircraft Slot Re-equipping
No. 261 Squadron Hurricane I Hurr Hur IIA - Hur IIC - Spit VB - Spit VC No. 249 Squadron Hurricane IIA Sp14 Hurricane IIC - Spit VB -Spit VC No. 185 Squadron Hurricane IIB typh Hurricane IIC - Spit VB - Spit VC Florennes No. 126 Squadron Hurricane IIC Temp Spitfire VB - Spitfire VC No. 229 Squadron Spitfire VB Sp2a Spitfire VC No. 1435 Squadron Spitfire VC Sp09
- Axis
17 Gruppo G.50bis P51B MC.200 - MC.202 III./ZG 26 Bf 110D-3 110C Bf 110E-1 6 Gruppo MC.200 P51D MC.202 9 Gruppo MC.202 190A II/Jagdgeschwader 53 Bf 109F-4 109G Bf 109G-2 I/Jagdgeschwader 77 Bf 109G-2 190D
Units available for the Malta Spring 1941 campaign: --------------------------------------------------
- British Aircraft Slot Re-equipping
No. 261 Squadron Hurricane I Hurr Hurricane IIA
- Axis
6 Gruppo MC.200 P51D 7./Jagdgeschwader 26 Bf 109E-7 109E
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#4604742 - 07/29/22 12:16 PM
Re: Desert Air War question
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The 1.28c release had the addition of the Allied Carrier in the North Sea to the default ETO files. This affected the "targets.dat", "tardata.dat", "griddata.dat", airfield.dat" and "tarnames.str" files. This extra target was inncluded in the 1.28E, 1.28F and 1.29 releases, and the default theatres in 140, 150 and 160. There is no real problem with 140-160 because they can load an ETO theatre with the 1.2 default target and campaign files, and the 1.2 default plane-set. If the correct theatre and plane-sets are loaded then careers should be possible in any theatres which they were designed for originally Jel
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#4604766 - 07/29/22 08:19 PM
Re: Desert Air War question
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In my 128C folder, the following have edited CAMP files (though some use default target lay out):
Spain, DAW, Malta, Pacific Tide (both Solomons and Guadalcanal), Russia, Aces over Europe (Modred's 2003 original), 1943-45 Free French (Typhomil), Fading Sun (RockHPI), SWOTL, 1945 Final Battles (Fabio), 1945 TA 183 (Mosi) 1947 The General's War (Rotton50) Nachtjaeger (Tonester)
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#4604775 - 07/30/22 07:54 AM
Re: Desert Air War question
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There is an installation here: 1.28c Careers Special There is a reasonable selection of theatres. I have not included the 1.28c New Map exe as the old map version is needed to display the career briefing maps. No files have been modified other than "planes.dat" in "Desert Air War" to fix three nationality errors. Jel
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