Interesting thing is that The Thing was hated on release.
Now revered as a classic and one of my favourite films. It oozes atmosphere. Brilliant.
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Originally Posted by NoFlyBoy
Both were box office failures. Why? One too weird and one too scary? .
Blade Runner was radically ahead of its time. Most audiences at the time just didn't know how to take it.
Don't really know why "The Thing" failed at the box office except that it didn't have any major stars on the cast. Kurt Russell was not yet an A list celeb when this came out.
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Saw The Thing about '83, '84ish. Absolutely loved it, always have. Bladerunner i never really appreciated until about 5 or 6 years ago, i must have needed the right frame of mind to watch it.
I also saw both on release, being not only a sci-fi fan but interested in the practical effects part of it all too. The Thing just went under the radar as an over-the-top horror film. Didn't get any interest outside of horror & sci-fi fans, maybe due partially to the unusual male-only cast.
Blade Runner, despised on release by critics. Of course, you can't find any critics now who will admit to being anything other than recognising of its importance
Like a lot of other movies, these two became classics and favourites upon the rise of the home video which was occurring at that time.
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#4602838 - 07/03/2204:43 PMRe: For you wiser more mature members who lived on June 25th, 1982.
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My parents where visiting friends, and just wanted to get me and the other boy out of their hair. They gave us money for the movie, The Thing just happened to be playing.
I've always been mad, I know I've been mad, like the most of us...very hard to explain why you're mad, even if you're not mad.
#4602879 - 07/04/2211:17 AMRe: For you wiser more mature members who lived on June 25th, 1982.
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... Blade Runner was radically ahead of its time. Most audiences at the time just didn't know how to take it. ...
And it still is LA doesn't really look anything like it. Neither do we have attack ships at the Shoulders of Orion, or could watch C-beams near the Tannhauser Gate - even worse, we don't even know yet where the latter would be And worst, no Rachael, Pris or Zhora Salome in sight
But according to the film, all that should have happened by 2019
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Originally Posted by WhoCares
But according to the film, all that should have happened by 2019
There also should have been a major global nuclear war which wiped out almost all animal life on the planet as well as causing constant acid rain so I guess we got lucky in those areas!
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If someone hasn't seen "Alien" by now they are not going to see it.
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I contacted Bradbury Building management in mid-2019 to suggest that they host a presentation of Blade Runner in November, 2019, but they said they couldn't get the rights to show it.
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Originally Posted by Arthonon
I contacted Bradbury Building management in mid-2019 to suggest that they host a presentation of Blade Runner in November, 2019, but they said they couldn't get the rights to show it.
That definitely qualifies you as a hardcore fan!
I never saw Blade Runner during its original theatrical run in 1982 but I did see "Blade Runner: The Final Cut" in the movie theater when it was released in 1992 for the 10th anniversary.
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#4604249 - 07/21/2207:20 PMRe: For you wiser more mature members who lived on June 25th, 1982.
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I saw "Blade Runner" many times on television throughout the 80s. Absolute classic. Loved it then same as now. Folks back then simply missed out. I never understood why it wasn't more popular--likely because the pacing was so slow? That's about the best I can come up with, however film from the 70s was quite slow paced so "Blade Runner" never felt out of place.
#4604253 - 07/21/2207:50 PMRe: For you wiser more mature members who lived on June 25th, 1982.
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The original had Harrison Ford's voice-over, and I think that may have impacted people's opinion. I remember first seeing it, and thought it looked good, but the voice-over made it feel a little gimmicky. I remember calling it "Replicants Don't Wear Plaid," as a reference to a Steve Martin film that came out about the same time (Dead Men Don't Wear Plaid) that was modeled after the 40s detective stories.
Then I saw the Director's Cut in an art house theater and thought, "wow, that was a big improvement!" I think it's after that that it took on a cult status. I wonder, though, if I would have fully understood everything happening in the Director's Cut without having seen the original with the narration.
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#4604262 - 07/21/2210:53 PMRe: For you wiser more mature members who lived on June 25th, 1982.
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That indeed is the catch 22 with Deckard’s voice over. The droning gets annoying after a while but a lot of interesting backstory is also provided.
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#4604263 - 07/22/2212:33 AMRe: For you wiser more mature members who lived on June 25th, 1982.
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I prefer the version with voiceover--gives the film a very novelesque feel.
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I wonder how many people who have seen the movie but not read the short story had any clue about why all the animals in the movie were artificial? Absolutely no explanation was given in the movie with or without Deckard's voice-over.
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The only Die Hard I saw in the movie theater was the third one with Jeremy Irons and Samuel Jackson.
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#4606632 - 08/23/2210:50 PMRe: For you wiser more mature members who lived on June 25th, 1982.
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Cats (the small ones humans keep in their homes) are the world's top predators. There have no equal, not on land, in the air or in the oceans.
How are you defining top predator? There are other animals with higher % of successful hunting attempts. Others may argue that man is the top predator.
Cats (the small ones humans keep in their homes) are the world's top predators. There have no equal, not on land, in the air or in the oceans.
How are you defining top predator? There are other animals with higher % of successful hunting attempts. Others may argue that man is the top predator.
against what ? cattle and domesticated animals. good luck mr top predator if you find yourself in the "nature" with only your wits about and no gun, and even with gun you are still at disavantage as many animals can take a few shots and gore you before they die. or you are unlucky to be bitten by a venomous snake,spider, nasty ants,the wrong fly decides to bite you.
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Cats (the small ones humans keep in their homes) are the world's top predators. There have no equal, not on land, in the air or in the oceans.
How are you defining top predator? There are other animals with higher % of successful hunting attempts. Others may argue that man is the top predator.
Oh, I know about the impacts of domestic cats on wildlife (I am quite heavily into wildlife conservation) but I don't agree with "world's top predators. There have no equal, not on land, in the air or in the oceans" which is why I asked how you were defining that (& your links, 3 of which are for the same study, still don't really answer).
It's the ability to make & use tools that has got man to where he is (& also may be the death of it).
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A lot of NFB's posts remind me of those sensationalized Youtube video titles you see all the time.
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#4606867 - 08/26/2204:04 AMRe: For you wiser more mature members who lived on June 25th, 1982.
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NFB, thanks for the amusing pictorial addition to a pretty dull topic.
I am a minority here but when I think of Blade Runner I think of Elvis, both highly overrated.
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Originally Posted by Sunchaser
I am a minority here but when I think of Blade Runner I think of Elvis, both highly overrated.
Disagree with the former but agree with the latter. Elvis just happened to be at the right place at the right time.
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The original Conan has an absolutely brilliant score by Basil Poleidouris. It's one of my all time favorite film scores.
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#4610377 - 10/05/2204:15 AMRe: For you wiser more mature members who lived on June 25th, 1982.
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At least we still have Arnold and James Earl Jones still among us!
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Good movie which is surpassed by the film score. Basil Poleidouris turned in a tour de force.
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#4627155 - 05/22/2312:05 AMRe: For you wiser more mature members who lived on June 25th, 1982.
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...deleted scenes: 0:20 falls on C3PO, 0:36 alternate explosion, 0:39 Command Center, 0:54 alternate angle for meeting Lando, 1:01 Luke tries to kiss Leia, 1:15 C3PO hands up, 1:36 C3PO doing his part against oppression by ripping down a warning sign.
#4627159 - 05/22/2302:28 AMRe: For you wiser more mature members who lived on June 25th, 1982.
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I saw it in the movie theater during its original run and I remember that day very well. I was 7 years old.
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Originally Posted by Arthonon
I remember on the drive back from the theater after seeing The Empire Strikes Back saying, repeatedly, "Man, that was a good movie!" I was 17.
IMHO, ESB is the best Star Wars movie from the entire saga (original trilogy + prequels + all the Disney movies). Among the Disney films, I think "Rogue One" is by far the best.
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#4627212 - 05/22/2304:52 PMRe: For you wiser more mature members who lived on June 25th, 1982.
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I remember on the drive back from the theater after seeing The Empire Strikes Back saying, repeatedly, "Man, that was a good movie!" I was 17.
IMHO, ESB is the best Star Wars movie from the entire saga (original trilogy + prequels + all the Disney movies). Among the Disney films, I think "Rogue One" is by far the best.
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#4627214 - 05/22/2305:05 PMRe: For you wiser more mature members who lived on June 25th, 1982.
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What's sad is we haven't had anything Star Wars or ESB big in a couple of decades to release, maybe longer. There have been some big movies, for sure, but nothing as culture shifting for an entire generation. Star Wars literally redefined my childhood. Without, would there have been Gi Joe, Transformers, etc., the way we had them? I don't know. But I sure would love to see a film IP as groundbreaking and impressive come along again, that family members of all ages can enjoy.
ESB still holds up, and stands the test of time. NFB, I suggest you google for the despecialized version of "Empire Strikes Back," download and watch. This way you can enjoy the theatrical release in original, unaltered form.
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Originally Posted by Mr_Blastman
What's sad is we haven't had anything Star Wars or ESB big in a couple of decades to release, maybe longer. There have been some big movies, for sure, but nothing as culture shifting for an entire generation. .
Since 2000 I can't think of ANY films that come close to the "culture shifting" that you mentioned. Not even Avatar managed to do that and it made 2 billion world wide.
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#4627219 - 05/22/2306:18 PMRe: For you wiser more mature members who lived on June 25th, 1982.
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The LOTR series was pretty significant, and helped reinvigorate the medieval fantasy genre, influencing the look of many games like the subsequent Elder Scrolls, and helping spur series like The Witcher and Game of Thrones.
However we'll never see another series as culturally significant as Star Wars because movies themselves are no longer as culturally significant as they once were.
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Originally Posted by Crane Hunter
However we'll never see another series as culturally significant as Star Wars because movies themselves are no longer as culturally significant as they once were.
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It was inevitable really. All art forms have their peak and then decline from there. It's just a matter of how quickly that decline progresses and how much.
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It was inevitable really. All art forms have their peak and then decline from there. It's just a matter of how quickly that decline progresses and how much.
IMO visual storytelling that's not at least partially interactive is bound to fade out just as radio dramas did.
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Originally Posted by Crane Hunter
IMO visual storytelling that's not at least partially interactive is bound to fade out just as radio dramas did.
And opera is going down the same route at least in the US. Once the core audience (upper income people over the age of 60) dies off, I predict that many opera houses will close or will be converted into showing Broadway-style musicals.
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I remember the original Star Wars coming out. I was 9. It is the first blockbuster movie I think I saw, at the cinema. I had the soundtrack on vinyl (double album). I guess my Mom thought I would like it. Anything to keep me from those evil Kiss records I remember the Jaws sensation, but I don't think I saw it until it was on TV.
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#4627240 - 05/22/2309:26 PMRe: For you wiser more mature members who lived on June 25th, 1982.
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I don't think opera will go away. The wealthy and high class will continue to partake. Theater has survived for hundreds of years, so I don't think it will vanish. We might move to "holo theater" or something of the sort, but I think the venue will continue.
Great sci-fi will continue, but the big problem is the world has been in a constant state of decline since the 1980s ended, our last golden age, at least in the free(and even communist) world.
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It's still hard to believe at times that "Aliens" is now 37 years old. That movie has aged extremely well.
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#4627354 - 05/24/2304:04 PMRe: For you wiser more mature members who lived on June 25th, 1982.
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Aliens is one of the greatest cinematic accomplishments in history.
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Originally Posted by Mr_Blastman
Aliens is one of the greatest cinematic accomplishments in history.
Agreed. Alien and Aliens are timeless classics worth watching over and over again. The rest of the Alien franchise varies from average (worth watching a couple of times) to totally forgettable and not worth watching a second time.
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#4627534 - 05/26/2311:44 PMRe: For you wiser more mature members who lived on June 25th, 1982.
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I was 26. I went to see it twice. Once with my father. And then with my then wife. My father and I didn't see eye to eye on much but science fiction was one thing we both agreed on.
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#4629785 - 06/26/2306:05 AMRe: For you wiser more mature members who lived on June 25th, 1982.
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I did not see it at cinema. It's one of first movies we watch on our first DVD player in 1998 and it was my first time seeing it. I think the other movie Dad got with our first DVD player was Twister.
#4629794 - 06/26/2310:23 AMRe: For you wiser more mature members who lived on June 25th, 1982.
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Originally Posted by NoFlyBoy
I did not see it at cinema. .
How old were you in 1989? That might explain why.
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#4630164 - 06/29/2309:07 PMRe: For you wiser more mature members who lived on June 25th, 1982.
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Michael Keaton is the best cinema Batman by far. Nobody else comes close.
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Originally Posted by Mr_Blastman
Michael Keaton is the best cinema Batman by far. Nobody else comes close.
He makes an excellent Bruce Wayne but IMHO Christian Bale was more convincing as Batman.
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