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#4598785 - 05/04/22 09:04 PM Re: 1:32nd scale RAF BE2c [Re: Sandbagger]  
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I am astounded at the fine detail work you are able to do, Mike. Seriously - I wish I had hands that steady, it's really impressive to see these machines come together!

Cheers!

#4598878 - 05/05/22 06:10 PM Re: 1:32nd scale RAF BE2c [Re: Robert_Wiggins]  
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Originally Posted by Robert_Wiggins
Ooh, that would have been a tricky install after the panel had been installed!


Hi Rob,
Actually it was.
I didn't spot it until I'd closed up the fuselage yep

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#4598880 - 05/05/22 06:16 PM Re: 1:32nd scale RAF BE2c [Re: Sandbagger]  
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Hi all,
One area of the fuselage may need to be addressed.
The underside of the nose is too square in shape and should be more rounded.
This can be seen on the following photographs, the last of which is the reproduction BE2c at the 'Vintage Aviator Ltd'.
The nose on the kit looks more like that of the R.E.8.
Whether this can be rectified remains to be seen,

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#4598944 - 05/06/22 03:50 PM Re: 1:32nd scale RAF BE2c [Re: Sandbagger]  
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Hi all,
With careful sanding (to avoid breaking through the corners) the kit nose can be re-profiled,

Mike

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#4598948 - 05/06/22 04:18 PM Re: 1:32nd scale RAF BE2c [Re: Sandbagger]  
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Originally Posted by Sandbagger
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With careful sanding (to avoid breaking through the corners) the kit nose can be re-profiled.


Wow, excellent!


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#4599023 - 05/07/22 12:55 PM Re: 1:32nd scale RAF BE2c [Re: Sandbagger]  
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Hi all,
More corrections required.

The kit instructions indicate that the left and right tailplane's should be attached to the rear sides of the fuselage, using two rods.
The illustration shows the inboard ends of the tailplane's being 90 degrees to their leading edges and noticeably clear of the fuselage sides along their entire length.
However, it seems that in reality, the inboard ends of the tailplane's were angled to follow the sides of the fuselage and the only noticeable gap was at the rear, where the fuselage tapered to its end.

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Also, the plywood rear decking is tapered to align with the linen covering over the fuselage stringers.
I think 'Lukgraph' assumed that as wood, it wasn't profiled, but fitted horizontal.
Unfortunately it can't, like the nose profile, be sanded, as the fuselage skin is too thin and would be open up.
A more obvious, but not as easily rectified, error on the kit.

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#4599025 - 05/07/22 02:00 PM Re: 1:32nd scale RAF BE2c [Re: Sandbagger]  
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Originally Posted by Sandbagger
Hi all,
With careful sanding (to avoid breaking through the corners) the kit nose can be re-profiled,

Mike


Incredible work Mike. Of course if I posted that every time I thought it, there'd be a new posting every time I opened one of your model threads.


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#4599028 - 05/07/22 02:14 PM Re: 1:32nd scale RAF BE2c [Re: Sandbagger]  
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Hi all,
Tailplane's:
I cut the inboard ends of both tailplane's to match the fuselage sides.
This only needed a small amount of trimming so doesn't alter the span of the tailplane's much.
The fuselage was drilled through with 0.8 mm diameter holes at the tailplane location points.
Two lengths of 0.8 mm diameter Brass rod were secured through the fuselage using thin CA adhesive.
Both tailplanes were drilled with 0.8 mm diameter holes to match the added rods.
The tailplane's were test fitted to ensure they were horizontal to the fuselage and at 90 degrees to the fuselage centre line.

Now the fuselage (possibly),

Mike

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#4599672 - 05/16/22 03:29 PM Re: 1:32nd scale RAF BE2c [Re: Sandbagger]  
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Hi all,
Here's the re-profiled fuselage rear decking panel.
This was done by sanding away the decking panel, the cutting a new panel shape from 0.2 mm thick plastic card.
That was glued in position then sanded with the flats of the fuselage stringers re-instated by scrapping.

Mike

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#4599677 - 05/16/22 04:41 PM Re: 1:32nd scale RAF BE2c [Re: Sandbagger]  
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Hi all,
A few more areas of the model that anyone building it might want to be aware off.

1. The instructions have no call out for the parts, apart from the supplied photo-etch parts.
This could cause some confusion with the cockpit, as parts are supplied to make a trainer version.

2. The instruction give the impression that the lower wings butt up to the sides of the fuselage.
In face there should be a gap between the wings and fuselage, exposing the front and rear spars and attachments.
This is important as if the lower wings are not positioned correctly, the interplane struts to the upper wing will tilt inwards at the bottom, when they should be vertical.
I've added a brass rod through the fuselage for extra support and added tube spacers for the necessary gap between wings and fuselage.

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3. The rigging diagram in the instructions fails to show the interconnecting aileron control wires between the upper and lower ailerons.

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Also only one drag wire is shown from the engine bearers to the upper wing, whereas there were two, one to the top of the forward cabane struts and a second to the top of the forward, inboard interplane struts.

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4. The rigging diagram in the instructions shows only two bracing wires for the fuselage cabane struts, whereas there were actually four.
A wire was attached to the tops of the two rear cabane struts and also the forward cabane struts.
These wires were routed through openings at each side of the pilots decking panel and into the cockpit, where there were attached to the cockpit side frames.

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5. The gravity fuel tank (behind the engine) and the main fuel tank (under the observers seat) were interconnected with a fuel transfer pipe.
A fuel supply pipe was also connected between the gravity tank and the engine.
That pipe won't be seen on the model, but the gravity to main tank pipe can be seen from the observers cockpit.
I added this pipe using flexible black tube.

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6. The 3D printed tail skid is intended to be butt glued to the rear, underside of the fuselage.
I felt, given the size and weight of the final model by prove to be too weak.
Therefore I reinforcred the centre strut of the tail skid using 0.5 mm diameter rod.

Apart from that, it's all going quite well wink

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#4599732 - 05/17/22 04:13 PM Re: 1:32nd scale RAF BE2c [Re: Sandbagger]  
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Hi all,
Another fix required.
The rigging diagrams in the kit instructions fail to show a single bracing wire fitted outboard from the bottom of the inboard front interplane struts.
This wire was routed diagonally up to the underside of the front spar of the upper wing, midway between the inboard and outboard interplane struts.

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#4599837 - 05/19/22 01:44 AM Re: 1:32nd scale RAF BE2c [Re: Sandbagger]  
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Good catch. Remarkable attention to detail. But rather careless and negligent behaviour by the kit maker. They should be informed of these oversights in a respectful yet firm manner and encouraged to correct these unfortunate mistakes.

#4599928 - 05/20/22 09:03 AM Re: 1:32nd scale RAF BE2c [Re: catch]  
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Good catch. Remarkable attention to detail. But rather careless and negligent behavior by the kit maker. They should be informed of these oversights in a respectful yet firm manner and encouraged to correct these unfortunate mistakes.


Hi Catch
I did message them explaining the apparent errors/omissions and suggested they might want to look at the planned BE2 e/f versions.
They thank me but said it was too late to correct and they hoped modelers could correct the model where necessary.
Not really good for a model costing £180 ($318 AU),

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#4599976 - 05/21/22 09:15 AM Re: 1:32nd scale RAF BE2c [Re: Sandbagger]  
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Originally Posted by Sandbagger

Not really good for a model costing £180 ($318 AU),

Mike


Indeed!

In any event, I'm very much looking forward to the finished product (with amendments). The Quirk has that Edwardian steam punk look that only that period could produce. God bless her and all those that sailed in her. I really love those early buses!

#4599989 - 05/21/22 01:25 PM Re: 1:32nd scale RAF BE2c [Re: Sandbagger]  
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Hi all,
A few updates.
I've primed then masked off the wings, fuselage and other flight surfaces, then pre-shaded the internal structures.
This was over sprayed with white primer to 'knock back' the pre-shading.
The linen effect decals will be applied before the kit markings.
The fuselage nose was painted with 'Tamiya' Neutral Grey (XF53) and the cockpit decking panel and under fuselage with Dark Yellow (XF60), in preparation for applying wood effects.

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#4600172 - 05/24/22 03:09 PM Re: 1:32nd scale RAF BE2c [Re: Sandbagger]  
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Hi all,
The Clear Doped Linen (CDL) decals have been applied on the fuselage, wings, ailerons, fin, tail plane's and elevators.
The 'LukGraph' supplied CDL decals supplied with the Premium kit are very much like those from 'Aviattic'.
They are quite strong and adhere well to the model surfaces.
The kit supplied marking decals were applied onto the CDL decals.
The Serial No.2635 had to be made from spare decals, as the kit does not have the markings for this particular aircraft.
The black stripe marking for No.13 Squadron was from the 'XtraDecal' black strip set (XPS1).

Now onto applying the wood effects to the fuselage,

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#4600181 - 05/24/22 04:57 PM Re: 1:32nd scale RAF BE2c [Re: Sandbagger]  
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Looks great Mike - delicate enough to fly.

The heaviest part I bet (apart from the chunky engine) is the balls of steel needed to go fly in one.


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#4600254 - 05/25/22 11:12 PM Re: 1:32nd scale RAF BE2c [Re: Sandbagger]  
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Hi all,
Wood effect Applied using 'Windsor and Newton' Griffin Alkyd Raw Sienna.
Some shadowing applied to wings and fuselage using 'Tamiya' Smoke (X19).
Cockpit padding brush painted with 'AL Interactive' Brown Leather.
Nose number 1 airbrushed with mask cut on a 'Cricut' Air 2 cutter.

Now onto further weathering,

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#4600264 - 05/26/22 01:35 AM Re: 1:32nd scale RAF BE2c [Re: Polovski]  
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Originally Posted by Polovski
Looks great Mike - delicate enough to fly.

The heaviest part I bet (apart from the chunky engine) is the balls of steel needed to go fly in one.


This is true although it is said Camel pilots required huge balls to counteract the gyroscopic effect of various rotary engines. They were the most successful pilots.

As for the Be2, they tell me beauty and the devil are the same thing. And while beautiful to look at, she was the very devil to fly in wartime.

Her beauty however will be revealed in all her glory by the Bagger in the fullness of time.

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Hi all,
Well it happens sigh
I accidentally spilled a bottle of White Spirits over my modelling workspace and, unfortunately the model.
I tried to dab it off but it had already dissolved areas of the applied decals on all of the models parts.
As I had no CDL decal replacements and no wanting to purchase and wait for replacements, I decide to go to Plan B.
This required the removal of as much of the decal as possible, leaving some in place as weathering effect.
The fuselage took the main hit, but fortunately not inside the fuselage.
So I've stripped all of the decals (CDL, roundels and black stripes).
The black stripes were airbrushed and replacement roundels and 'lift here' decals were applied.
My plan is to apply 'Flory Models' Dark Dirt and Grime fine clay wash (which I normally apply anyway).
Hopefully the wash will compliment the residual CDL decal to give the model a well worn, war weary look.
We'll see,

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