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#4599112 - 05/08/22 08:01 PM Star Trek: Strange New Worlds (no spoilers)  
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Note: No Spoilers unless you're one of those who won't even watch a preview clip so you know nothing at all going in.

Just watched the first episode. Overall impression, good. Almost very good.

Anson Mount is excellent as Pike, and as much as I hate to admit it Ethan Peck is very good as Spock (but he's no Nimoy, no one is).

The story was good too, not great but good. A few instances of a bit of eye-roll on my part but nothing really bad. Already much better than ANY episode of STD (through the 2.5 seasons I suffered through before giving up anyway). No more detail than that to avoid spoilers

I am however still annoyed by the complete disregard for what the Enterprise should look like just a few years before Kirk takes command. No attempt at continuity there at all. Kirks' Enterprise in the OS was austere, Pikes' Enterprise is opulent. Of course they want to update things for a modern audience but they could have done so with an update to the old design rather than a complete overhaul that bears zero resemblance to the "real" Enterprise. It's a big "Screw You" to all of us old timer Trek fans.

Ignorance of rank structure. A big pet peeve of mine. TNG got it right, why can't these new shows? Pike is Captain of course, his second in command (Number One) is a Commander. The helmsman and navigator are Lt Commanders? Seriously? Ridiculous, previous helmsmen/navigators throughout Trek series have been Ensign, Lieutenant Junior Grade or Lieutenant. And then to cap it all off when circumstances warrant a temporary second in command (Executive Officer) they put a Lieutenant in the position.... I guess because no Ensigns or Cadets were available? Just utter laziness/stupidity.

And of course for modern sensibilities and a touch of woke-ness Pike is the only white male human to be seen, Spock being the only other white male in the main cast. Then you have the navigator, helmsman, communications officer, head nurse, security chief and executive officer as all female. Chief medical officer is a black male and I apparently later on the chief engineer will also be male but an Andorian. Oh and "Nurse" Chapel is portrayed much more like a full fledged Doctor in episode one rather than a nurse, apparently she gets a lobotomy sometime before Kirk takes command. Admiral Robert April is also briefly seen and although the character has been identified as a white male in the Animated Series as well is in Trek publications (such as "The Star Trek Encyclopedia" from 1994 where Gene Rodenberry's picture is used to represent April) he is portrayed as a black male here.

Will I watch more? Sure, but later. I had already cancelled my Paramount+ subscription a few weeks ago because we just weren't using it, its paid for through May 10. But I'll reactivate my account when the new season of "Seal Team" is released and get caught up on "Strange New Worlds" then.


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#4599116 - 05/08/22 09:29 PM Re: Star Trek: Strange New Worlds (no spoilers) [Re: F4UDash4]  
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I watched the first episode and had much the same thoughts as you. From the nerd standpoint, as you said, things are just too opulent, and for me, the tech seems too advanced. Again, I understand updating it to look futuristic to modern audiences, so it's not that, it's what they can do, especially relative to the previous shows, like how precise the transporter can be.

They also mentioned the Gorn, which were an unknown race during the original series until they attacked an outpost, and that was a key component of the episode they were in. It's almost like the production team didn't really know anything about the show, and just looked through some Star Trek stills and picked stuff out to include, without really understanding its place in the story. "Hey, look, that lizard-man thing! It's pretty famous, we should work that in somehow. What's it called? A Gorn? OK, let's just make a reptile reference and use the name, and people will get it."


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Originally Posted by Arthonon
I watched the first episode and had much the same thoughts as you. From the nerd standpoint, as you said, things are just too opulent, and for me, the tech seems too advanced.


One instance in particular, if I understood it correctly. Did they..............
really beam that stuff directly into Spocks' eyeball?


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Originally Posted by F4UDash4
Originally Posted by Arthonon
I watched the first episode and had much the same thoughts as you. From the nerd standpoint, as you said, things are just too opulent, and for me, the tech seems too advanced.


One instance in particular, if I understood it correctly. Did they..............
really beam that stuff directly into Spocks' eyeball?


That was my understanding, and unless I missed something, it didn't even make sense to me how that would even have helped.


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#4599215 - 05/09/22 10:28 PM Re: Star Trek: Strange New Worlds (no spoilers) [Re: Arthonon]  
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Originally Posted by Arthonon
Originally Posted by F4UDash4
Originally Posted by Arthonon
I watched the first episode and had much the same thoughts as you. From the nerd standpoint, as you said, things are just too opulent, and for me, the tech seems too advanced.


One instance in particular, if I understood it correctly. Did they..............
really beam that stuff directly into Spocks' eyeball?


That was my understanding, and unless I missed something, it didn't even make sense to me how that would even have helped.

I think they beamed the liquid into his system not actually just his eye but I know how they depicted it


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#4599248 - 05/10/22 09:03 AM Re: Star Trek: Strange New Worlds (no spoilers) [Re: F4UDash4]  
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Not sure how much of this would be regarded as spoiler, if any, but just to err on the side of caution:




The lighting and visual tone is lighter, more welcoming than the blue, dark nihilism and over emotionalism of STD and STP. The self-containment in one episode of the story is a welcome return to ST of old. AM and RR are great as Pike respectively No. 1. but I think Peck as Spock is far off the mark. He lacks charisma and the slightly sardonic wit and greater intellect that Nimoy's Spock had.

Intro is good, the best of new Trek imo, with a reimagining of the old TOS theme music done tastefully.

I'm very much in agreement with what has been already mentioned.

Generally I enjoyed the episode but I do worry about some things though:

Is Pike's future decision making going to be continuously impeded by his knowledge of his future? Mount exudes such warmth and confidence that it would be sad to see him constantly overly dependent on others for him to be a credible captain.

"Permission to act fast" really for me translates into "permission to be brilliant and upstage two superior officers because they are shown to have no clue of what they're doing. I don't like this put down of Pike and Spock." And so far I'm not enjoying that particular character. The scene illustrates a current big problem with new Trek; nobody formulates a plan and then caries it through. Everyone muddles through and wings it on the fly. This formula also precludes some story telling twists where sometimes perhaps a plan doesn't work and then our heroes have to improvise on the spot.

The smug Lt. at the helm, making up the whole idea of beaming that stuff down, not only usurps the chain of command but also tells off the Engineer; "better work magic with that transporter because I told you so, Mr." And I didn't get it either, I thought the stuff would need to go into Spock Intravenously. With a little effort, I feel the writers could have handled that a lot better, with more charm and camaraderie than the slightly agressive and curt "order" from a helmsman, presumably not an engineer and not an expert in transporters.

Ultimately scenes as the ones described above are lazy writing and they suck all drama and tension out of it because no matter the problem, the writers will just break a couple of established ground rules and decide; well, the transporter is just more capable than we were led to believe. Leading the audience to believe someting to be the case, and then pulling the rug from under that established belief is an incredibly dangerous and quickly annoying plot contrivance, not to be misused or repeated ad nauseam.

I did like Pike's remark; "It'll never catch on", though. Chuckled at that.



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Originally Posted by Arthonon
Originally Posted by F4UDash4
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I watched the first episode and had much the same thoughts as you. From the nerd standpoint, as you said, things are just too opulent, and for me, the tech seems too advanced.


One instance in particular, if I understood it correctly. Did they..............
really beam that stuff directly into Spocks' eyeball?


That was my understanding, and unless I missed something, it didn't even make sense to me how that would even have helped.


Yep, sure was fast acting.

I hate the general trend in all entertainment media of having scenes where the danger MUST NOT be resolved until the very last second. Like the trope of the bomb never being defused until the countdown reaches one that "Galaxy Quest" parodied. It's silly and insults the audience.


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Originally Posted by McGonigle
Not sure how much of this would be regarded as spoiler, if any, but just to err on the side of caution:




The lighting and visual tone is lighter, more welcoming than the blue, dark nihilism and over emotionalism of STD and STP. The self-containment in one episode of the story is a welcome return to ST of old. AM and RR are great as Pike respectively No. 1. but I think Peck as Spock is far off the mark. He lacks charisma and the slightly sardonic wit and greater intellect that Nimoy's Spock had.

Intro is good, the best of new Trek imo, with a reimagining of the old TOS theme music done tastefully.

I'm very much in agreement with what has been already mentioned.

Generally I enjoyed the episode but I do worry about some things though:

Is Pike's future decision making going to be continuously impeded by his knowledge of his future? Mount exudes such warmth and confidence that it would be sad to see him constantly overly dependent on others for him to be a credible captain.

"Permission to act fast" really for me translates into "permission to be brilliant and upstage two superior officers because they are shown to have no clue of what they're doing. I don't like this put down of Pike and Spock." And so far I'm not enjoying that particular character. The scene illustrates a current big problem with new Trek; nobody formulates a plan and then caries it through. Everyone muddles through and wings it on the fly. This formula also precludes some story telling twists where sometimes perhaps a plan doesn't work and then our heroes have to improvise on the spot.

The smug Lt. at the helm, making up the whole idea of beaming that stuff down, not only usurps the chain of command but also tells off the Engineer; "better work magic with that transporter because I told you so, Mr." And I didn't get it either, I thought the stuff would need to go into Spock Intravenously. With a little effort, I feel the writers could have handled that a lot better, with more charm and camaraderie than the slightly agressive and curt "order" from a helmsman, presumably not an engineer and not an expert in transporters.

Ultimately scenes as the ones described above are lazy writing and they suck all drama and tension out of it because no matter the problem, the writers will just break a couple of established ground rules and decide; well, the transporter is just more capable than we were led to believe. Leading the audience to believe someting to be the case, and then pulling the rug from under that established belief is an incredibly dangerous and quickly annoying plot contrivance, not to be misused or repeated ad nauseam.

I did like Pike's remark; "It'll never catch on", though. Chuckled at that.





All very good observations, thanks.


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