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#4597843 - 04/24/22 03:11 AM Did we really just shrugged off Pentagon basically admiting aliens are real ?  
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i dont care if they are not extra terrestrial, green man or interdimensional, #%&*$# has happened,they are clueless about it


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#4597923 - 04/25/22 10:35 AM Re: Did we really just shrugged off Pentagon basically admiting aliens are real ? [Re: Blade_RJ]  
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YAWN.

Remember how those "earth shattering" Pentagon Papers from last year were supposed to be just that, "earth shattering"? Yeah, it didn't happen.


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#4597932 - 04/25/22 01:00 PM Re: Did we really just shrugged off Pentagon basically admiting aliens are real ? [Re: PanzerMeyer]  
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Originally Posted by PanzerMeyer
YAWN.

Remember how those "earth shattering" Pentagon Papers from last year were supposed to be just that, "earth shattering"? Yeah, it didn't happen.


how can you yawn ? one report says the ufo phenomena is real and unknown technology or entity to US, the other one validates the medical reports from abductees and people who claim first encounters and concludes "advances systems are already deployed and opaque to full US understandings"
so they basically confirmed abuctees reports are from unknown "system" from a unknown technology or entity, 1+1 became 3 ? is math gender fluid as well now ?

Abudction reports comes all over the world from before computers were created, you really think this is something from a third party like china or russia or just bogus ? or some secret US operation where they go around the world dosing people with radiation and mutilating their cows ,is CIA LSD psyops actually still on?

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#4597936 - 04/25/22 01:31 PM Re: Did we really just shrugged off Pentagon basically admiting aliens are real ? [Re: Blade_RJ]  
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Chucky gets it. smile

edit: Blade, you should write some scripts for new X-Files episodes and send them to Chris Carter. He might actually reply to you. biggrin

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#4597942 - 04/25/22 02:10 PM Re: Did we really just shrugged off Pentagon basically admiting aliens are real ? [Re: PanzerMeyer]  
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Originally Posted by PanzerMeyer
Chucky gets it. smile

edit: Blade, you should write some scripts for new X-Files episodes and send them to Chris Carter. He might actually reply to you. biggrin


well when they land, i hope they pick your porch or yard. and bring with them the analitucci probiscius of friendship between civilizations

#4597945 - 04/25/22 02:28 PM Re: Did we really just shrugged off Pentagon basically admiting aliens are real ? [Re: Blade_RJ]  
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Originally Posted by Blade_RJ

well when they land, i hope they pick your porch or yard. and bring with them the analitucci probiscius of friendship between civilizations


LOL Sure thing Blade. If aliens do indeed visit me I'll be sure to take pics and post them on SimHQ.


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#4598009 - 04/25/22 09:32 PM Re: Did we really just shrugged off Pentagon basically admiting aliens are real ? [Re: Blade_RJ]  
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#4598015 - 04/25/22 10:46 PM Re: Did we really just shrugged off Pentagon basically admiting aliens are real ? [Re: Blade_RJ]  
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***nerd mode on***

As if time zones have any bearing on interstellar travel. wink


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Originally Posted by PanzerMeyer
***nerd mode on***

As if time zones have any bearing on interstellar travel. wink


Only Space Greenwich Mean Time. Coincidence that there's a Space Greenwhich out there that's also the center of time? I think not. Clearly it's proof that they've not only been here but are pulling strings and establishing standard references of time.

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Originally Posted by Blade_RJ
Originally Posted by PanzerMeyer
Chucky gets it. smile

edit: Blade, you should write some scripts for new X-Files episodes and send them to Chris Carter. He might actually reply to you. biggrin


well when they land, i hope they pick your porch or yard. and bring with them the analitucci probiscius of friendship between civilizations


If I were them, I'd choose to make contact during Rio Carnival, even more interesting specimen than Floridians , and many volunteers winner

UFOs are real (until they become IFOs), aliens are, in all probabilities, at least a possibility in the universe, UFOs and aliens being related is similar to a religion, you believe or don't, and for now most of humanity is still on the non believer side, so a believer may be quite lonely here.

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Originally Posted by rollnloop.
UFOs and aliens being related is similar to a religion, you believe or don't,



Or you believe in something when there is actual hard scientific evidence to back up such a claim.


That's what I do.


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That's what I and the majority does, but religions promote creationism (at least some, enlight me if some religion doesn't) and still have many followers.

I disagree but try not to mock their beliefs too much, as long as they don't blame me or others choosing not to believe.

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If you actually believe that slaves in Egypt rolled the pyramid stones, on logs, from a quarry to the job site then you probably
do not believe in aliens.

That's OK though, ancients all over the planet performed similar feats, right?

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Originally Posted by Sunchaser

If you actually believe that slaves in Egypt rolled the pyramid stones, on logs, from a quarry to the job site then you probably
do not believe in aliens.

That's OK though, ancients all over the planet performed similar feats, right?





So your premise then is that aliens assisted the ancient Egyptian civilization with the building of the Pyramids? reading


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Being able to travel through space faster than light (since not any trace of alien civilization has yet been seen through telescope) and only trace they leave is a bunch of rocks and light illusions, what a shame.

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Or could it be that building pyramids being quite useless (but it's art !), other civilizations didn't feel entitled to follow ?

We could perfectly build pyramids nowadays, in a few weeks, yet we don't.

Not that Eiffel tower or Burj Khalifa is any more useful, but at least it compensates some male insecurities maybe ?

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Originally Posted by rollnloop.
Or could it be that building pyramids being quite useless (but it's art !), other civilizations didn't feel entitled to follow ?




We even have written evidence from some of the major Roman historians of that time which essentially say that the Pyramids were a colossal waste of time and made no sense.

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Also, last I visited Gizeh, those who built pyramids were not slaves, they were paid workers, said the egyptian guide.

Not that it changes anything to any alien inherited ability.

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Man can do many amazing, improbable things with enough determination, collaboration and co-operation. Look how we managed to visit the moon in the 1960s without advanced computer technology or other luxuries we have today. By all estimates we should have failed, horribly, but we did not.

The pyramids are giant stone structures. There is no SDF-1 buried beneath them. They will not suddenly rise up from the ground one day and blast the Zentradi invaders.

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One day aliens will finally tell us why they built pyramids in Egypt, Peru, Mexico, what is the mystery of stonehenge, and what this is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voynich_manuscript

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As Graham Chapman in full WWII British Army officers uniform would have said:


"This thread has now become rather silly!"


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Originally Posted by rollnloop.
Being able to travel through space faster than light (since not any trace of alien civilization has yet been seen through telescope) and only trace they leave is a bunch of rocks and light illusions, what a shame.







okay im triggered.......what evidence ? we have many civilizations of our own that we know existed but left no trace behind,some only vestigial to imply that someone was there. there is a empty space in our archeological history all over the world, but lets start with the elephant in the room since you mentioned ilusion. what is the most known religion in the world ? there are lots of scriptures and passage about the Ark of the Covenant, how it was taken by this guy to this place, or that other guy took it somewhere else.......and yet today we have absolutely no evidence it was a real thing since there are no tangible evidence of it,and if we take for granted what religious book have written we should had by now found the skeletons of giant world eater serpents and giants.

planes that crash dont generaly leave evidence behind after hundreds of years....why would a landing ship do ? we could have had aliens coachella in mexico, and we would not have evidence of any of it after thousands of years. Look at greece history we had the myscenians around 1600 b.c and after that a huge gap in written history untill we get to ancient greek era 500 ish years later, but before even that we have the knossus civilization that we know NOTHING, in fact we didnt even think they were real untill they discovered their temple in 1890 i think by acident, and this entire ghost civilization predated what we knew of greece history a thousand years if not more. And the sofiscated level of their civilization with what they found was on par to what romans would bring only almost 2000 years later, like water distribution,rain drainage and waste disposal, and that date is speculative and obviously knossus civilization didnt pop out one night already knowing how to do all this,so there are civlization that predates them that we have no vestige and know absolutely nothing of.

And explain to me the laser acurate constructions in macchu picchu, how they took the rocks all the way up there, cut with better than industrial precision and laid perfectly on one another. im not saying it was aliens....but no one knows of a way anyone even today could do that.
maybe its part of the lost knowledge ? maybe it wasnt aliens at all but advanced humans that nuked the #%&*$# out themselves and we are the stupid stick and stones civilization that remained,maybe the indians were up to something with their mithology.

Originally Posted by PanzerMeyer



We even have written evidence from some of the major Roman historians of that time which essentially say that the Pyramids were a colossal waste of time and made no sense.


ah yes, to trust a foreign outsider view is always so trustfull.

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If, among the billions of stars containing more billions of planets, we are all there is, what a waste of time for whoever built it.

There is still hope though, the robots will surely take over soon.

Let's hope they do not screw it up.

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Originally Posted by Sunchaser

If, among the billions of stars containing more billions of planets, we are all there is, what a waste of time for whoever built it.

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Who here in this thread said that? I think it's pretty clear that what has been said is that we don't have hard scientific evidence yet to say with 100% certainty that alien life exists.

If someone is saying that alien life DOES exist without a doubt then they are basing that on faith and not any hard evidence. Belief in the existence of something in the absence of evidence is exactly that; faith.

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Originally Posted by Sunchaser

If, among the billions of stars containing more billions of planets, we are all there is, what a waste of time for whoever built it.

There is still hope though, the robots will surely take over soon.

Let's hope they do not screw it up.


And the robots, once they become sufficiently intelligent in AI, achieve self-sufficient reproduction and repair, will technically be classified as life, as well. Life that might decide we humans are problematic to their survival...


Panzer: correct. We have zero evidence there is life beyond Earth, for now. Maybe we find some? Maybe we don't? Mankind may not survive long enough to discover the evidence if it even exists.


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Originally Posted by Sunchaser

If, among the billions of stars containing more billions of planets, we are all there is, what a waste of time for whoever built it.

Maybe, but maybe since this solar system has been blasted and mixed up by passing comets, other debris and radiation. That all might have been part of the requirements for us to have come about. It all might be necessary ingredients and tools to have created life here.

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If, among the billions of stars containing more billions of planets, we are all there is, what a waste of time for whoever built it.

Maybe, but maybe since this solar system has been blasted and mixed up by passing comets, other debris and radiation. That all might have been part of the requirements for us to have come about. It all might be necessary ingredients and tools to have created life here.

True, but then, there's no reason to think that our solar system is unique in that regard, but we just really don't know.


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Originally Posted by Arthonon
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Originally Posted by Sunchaser

If, among the billions of stars containing more billions of planets, we are all there is, what a waste of time for whoever built it.

Maybe, but maybe since this solar system has been blasted and mixed up by passing comets, other debris and radiation. That all might have been part of the requirements for us to have come about. It all might be necessary ingredients and tools to have created life here.

True, but then, there's no reason to think that our solar system is unique in that regard, but we just really don't know.

We'll probably have to leave that to future people to figure out if/when we start exploring the start more. I doubt anyone in the next several lifetimes would know for sure.

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As someone pointed out in this thread earlier, the universe may be bubbling with life, even in the so called dark matter of space. but they be already beyond our reach to confirme due to the expansion of the universe

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"Who here in this thread said that?"

Well, since you quoted me, I guess I did, eh?

We may not be alone, but I cannot prove that, it just seems logical based on Earth's mysteries.

If ancient mankind did actually do all that stuff they somehow must have screwed up and lost the technology.
I guess they had a lot in common with us, we are good at screwing stuff up.

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Originally Posted by Sunchaser



We may not be alone, but I cannot prove that, it just seems logical based on Earth's mysteries.





Agreed. As Blastman alluded to, all humanity can say right now is "maybe" to whether or not intelligent life exists outside of Earth.


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Or on it.

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Originally Posted by Sunchaser

Or on it.



There's plenty of intelligence on Earth but the deal with humanity is that it possesses the entire range of good things and bad things. Intelligence, ignorance, love, hate, creation, destruction, kindness, ruthlessness, etc., etc,

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Originally Posted by PanzerMeyer
Originally Posted by Sunchaser

Or on it.



There's plenty of intelligence on Earth but the deal with humanity is that it possesses the entire range of good things and bad things. Intelligence, ignorance, love, hate, creation, destruction, kindness, ruthlessness, etc., etc,


or perception of inteligence if biased as hell and flawed. take one good look at octopus and ants,and recently even jumping spiders were discovered to be much more inteligent than their tiny brain is suposed to "allow" so size of the brain may not matter all that much, and we still link inteligence to cognitive self awareness, WHY ? no animal under water ever saw their own reflection, are they all dumb dumbs ?

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I've read articles/book that argues intelligence (human type or better that can make advanced civilizations and possibly star ships) is VERY rare. Almost impossible even given billions of stars and planets -- because life itself may be very rare. The argument has to do with the complexity of developing the simplest genes/organisms that can reproduce and begin the chain of evolution. They had a mathematical argument regarding the statistics involved in forming the tiniest/first reproducing organism.

My speculations follow:

In any case, it took Earth life over 500 million years to develop humans. And, at that, had the "comet" not hit 60+ million years ago. The place would probably still be run by dinosaurs.

My pet theory: Advanced intelligent life eventually develops Computers (needed for things like space flight). Once computers progress to truly sentient/conscious/self-aware computers, the computers take over because they are far smarter than humans and they already run everything and already know everything humans know. Thus, "living things" like humans no longer matter. That may happen relatively soon on Earth. I.e. Evolution of true intelligence leads to a new form of "super-intelligent mechanical life" that replaces "biological life".

Thus, if we are being visited, maybe its by "living/thinking/self-aware computers" -- i.e. very intelligent Robots/Androids.


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That is indeed a fascinating post Allen except that the earliest humans such as the genus Australopithecus arose only about 2 million years ago.


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Originally Posted by Blade_RJ
As someone pointed out in this thread earlier, the universe may be bubbling with life, even in the so called dark matter of space. but they be already beyond our reach to confirme due to the expansion of the universe


Dark matter is one of those interesting things that science uses as a placeholder excuse for something they cannot explain, similar to Einstein's cosmological constant. He did this because there was something in his numbers that did not work with respect to the expansion of the Universe that his equations predicted, because at the time the consensus was there was no expansion, so he put this constant in to fit the mold.

We know from Hubble observations the Universe is not only expanding, but the rate of expansion is increasing.

Tada! Dark matter! Or so they posit in science because really nobody has any other answer as to why this is happening. Of course, reasons could include:

1) We're on a hypersphere! We, our Galaxy, are bounding 'round the crest of a toroid on a journey back to the center singularity where we'll be compressed, deconstructed, and later spit back out in fermioboson soup before we're reconstituted into constituent elemental hydrogen for stars to form and fuse again.
2) We simply don't understand what space is yet, and because of this, cannot properly define what properties it truly posses that make its structure tick, internally.

Sure, we can measure space through interferometry--how LIGO detects and measures gravitational waves. But we could measure an alien spacecraft or a cyborg robot and still not be any closer to understanding why they operate they do. But like Newton who rubbed his head upon which an apple dropped, we can shriek, "Eureka! Gravity!"

I think starting with the second option is the best course. I refuse to simply accept the placeholder of "dark matter" until we can define what space actually is, first. Like most things, I do not think it is simply nothing. There may be a lot more to this invisible stuff than meets the eye.


Kind of like aliens. Maybe, maybe not. But I don't have my mind made up either way, either. More evidence and data is required. Except in an alien's case, some data, period.


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Originally Posted by Mr_Blastman
...We know from Hubble observations the Universe is not only expanding, but the rate of expansion is increasing.

Tada! Dark matter! Or so they posit in science because really nobody has any other answer as to why this is happening.

Just a quick pedantic note - I believe you meant dark energy, as dark matter is generally considered to have the opposite effect - additional gravitational pull that slows the expansion.


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Originally Posted by Mr_Blastman

I think starting with the second option is the best course. I refuse to simply accept the placeholder of "dark matter" until we can define what space actually is, first.



Space is water, holy water. the firmament its in the bible, also the reason the indians considered our world rested on the back of a turtle....why a turtle and not a turtoise ? WATER.....space is water ! that is why liquid fuel rockets cant burn in space, its not because of vaccum, its because its wet !

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That is indeed a fascinating post Allen except that the earliest humans such as the genus Australopithecus arose only about 2 million years ago.


FWIW: I agree. My "500 million years to develop humans" was referencing the fact that the very first ultra-simple single-celled organisms that could reproduce came into being over 500 million years ago (based on some estimates -- nothing is for sure).

Those very-simple single-celled organisms were far simpler than the simplest current single celled creatures/germs/viruses. They then began evolving; and, over very-roughly three hundred million years became dinosaurs.

The dinosaurs had the run of the place until roughly 62 million years ago when the "comet" (or other large object) hit the earth and virtually (or completely) exterminated all the major dinosaur species (it has been speculated). So, lesser creatures, like mammals, had much less competition and "room" to evolve. And, after about 60 million years of mammal evolution, the first humans got going very recently. Your 2 million years ago for Australopithecus is "very recently" in the "big picture scheme" of evolution -- as you noted.

So, that's where my 500 million years for evolution to make humans came from (first single "cell" organism that could reproduce to now). Humans like us today, have only been around for 10s of thousands of years -- we're just "babies still in the womb" in the big scheme of evolution. But, by my "pet theory" we don't have much time left before sentient/intelligent computers take over. Maybe that always happens to the few truly intelligent biological life forms that evolve.


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...We know from Hubble observations the Universe is not only expanding, but the rate of expansion is increasing.

Tada! Dark matter! Or so they posit in science because really nobody has any other answer as to why this is happening.

Just a quick pedantic note - I believe you meant dark energy, as dark matter is generally considered to have the opposite effect - additional gravitational pull that slows the expansion.


Yes. Basically was a blanket expression though. They're placeholders for something we can't explain.

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You actually bother to necro an old thread to post something so flippant?


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Originally Posted by PanzerMeyer
You actually bother to necro an old thread to post something so flippant?


The thread is mine, i allow it.

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Hey, if people here want to say all day long that little green men built the pyramids because the Egyptians were just too dumb to do it themselves they can knock themselves out! smile


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Originally Posted by PanzerMeyer
Hey, if people here want to say all day long that little green men built the pyramids because the Egyptians were just too dumb to do it themselves they can knock themselves out! smile


yes and they dont need your validation, have a nice day.

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Originally Posted by Blade_RJ
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yes and they dont need your validation, have a nice day.



Nope they sure don't! Everyone has a right to be blissfully ignorant if they choose that for themselves.

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i said good day sir !

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Originally Posted by PanzerMeyer
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yes and they dont need your validation, have a nice day.



Nope they sure don't! Everyone has a right to be blissfully ignorant if they choose that for themselves.



I think we should allow people to post things even if others think the topic is being resurrected. Nothing offensive or against either the letter or spirit of the forum rules was said.


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Originally Posted by PanzerMeyer
You actually bother to necro an old thread to post something so flippant?


Yesterday was 6/12. Mr_Blastman reply before mine was 4/22. 51 days. That's old? Engaging that same rule, you must be 100 years old in cat years then.

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Ok, that’s enough on it from the three of you. Let alone and proceed on to happier things.


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Originally Posted by oldgrognard
Ok, that’s enough on it from the three of you. Let alone and proceed on to happier things.


all i said was have a nice day, guy kept coming back wanting to moderate the thread on his high horse and have the last word while low key name calling to circumvent forum policy.

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Isn’t that just upping the heat level ?


C’mon; just leave it alone.


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I simply find it interesting just how many of these "do aliens exist" threads we've had on SimHQ over the past couple of years. Hasn't the discussion of that topic been exhausted already?

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There is plenty of valid information out there on who built the pyramids, you just have to stay away from the likes of conspiracy.com (that may or may not exist but I'm willing to bet it does) and the many idiotic YouTube channels that propagate such nonsense.

The art of building pyramids may be lost but that doesn't mean we have to assume it was built by aliens because it seems impossible to us. Look at what fantastic structures we build today.


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Originally Posted by PanzerMeyer
Hasn't the discussion that topic been exhausted already?


No because it is a question that hasn't been answered: are we alone?

There is not enough evidence to decide either way. Things happen, or come to light, from time to time to raise the possibility that we're not. Sometimes those things get explained away rationally, sometimes they're not and we are left wondering. As long as the question exists the topic will not be exhausted.


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Originally Posted by F4UDash4

There is not enough evidence to decide either way. Things happen, or come to light, from time to time to raise the possibility that we're not. Sometimes those things get explained away rationally, sometimes they're not and we are left wondering. As long as the question exists the topic will not be exhausted.





But unfortunately we keep getting inundated with click-bait articles and blogs about "UFO sightings" or "new planet found which MAY have had life" which present their speculation as fact or being highly possible.


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Originally Posted by PanzerMeyer
Originally Posted by F4UDash4

There is not enough evidence to decide either way. Things happen, or come to light, from time to time to raise the possibility that we're not. Sometimes those things get explained away rationally, sometimes they're not and we are left wondering. As long as the question exists the topic will not be exhausted.





But unfortunately we keep getting inundated with click-bait articles and blogs about "UFO sightings" or "new planet found which MAY have had life" which present their speculation as fact or being highly possible.


I wouldn't call in inundated. I just ignore the silly ones. But there are things that are very hard to explain.

The video below is great, I watched the entire 4 hours (over a few days) because Fravor is an interesting guy. But at least go to the 1:11 mark and watch the 30 minutes that he describes his experience. This isn't some crackpot, he DID see "something" that his years of experience could not explain away.




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Originally Posted by PanzerMeyer
Originally Posted by F4UDash4

There is not enough evidence to decide either way. Things happen, or come to light, from time to time to raise the possibility that we're not. Sometimes those things get explained away rationally, sometimes they're not and we are left wondering. As long as the question exists the topic will not be exhausted.





But unfortunately we keep getting inundated with click-bait articles and blogs about "UFO sightings" or "new planet found which MAY have had life" which present their speculation as fact or being highly possible.


this isnt some blog, this is your pentagon saying there is material objects they cant describe propulsion or assertain origin, but that are not in their inventory or of other nations as far as they know, and that those entities have manifested upon the populace with physical evidence. not much of a leap from there. they are not even trying to hide with the weather balloon and social allucination anymore. I told you guys before only to be ridiculed, that the USA took a lot of interest in the varginha case,all reports from the event were sent straight to the US by an attache.
why would the US be interest in gossip from brazil when the oficial report from the event is that the air force helped a couple of midget who got lost in a storm, i kid you not. There is still no explanation on the fireman who "allegelly" took part in capture operation and his body was sequestered by the air force so the family couldnt bury him. we didnt have internet back then but the local tvs stations did report on it before the oficial story was set up, so its available on the internet that the timeline described in the oficial story doesnt work. And seriously why would the air force send a squad to help people lost in the storm, and why would the firemen corps be sent BY the air force to the nearby hill with a capture net ?was that midget that no one ever heard of putting a fight ? And since when does the air force get involved in rescue operation ? the coroner of the small town was threatned, but she had already spoken to local tv before.

and you are not a moderator, if they decide we are doing click bait, its their call, if you dislike the topic feel free to roll your eyes untill your eye socket explode and dont comment on it.

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Originally Posted by Blade_RJ

and you are not a moderator, if they decide we are doing click bait, its their call, if you dislike the topic feel free to roll your eyes untill your eye socket explode and dont comment on it.


You have poor reading comprehension skills. I was talking about click-bait web articles and blogs specifically. I was not saying that any posts here were click-bait.

Either way, let's revisit this thread in like 2-3 years and see if anything "earth shattering" has transpired concerning the possible existence of extra-terrestrial life. I've already placed my bets.


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And I told both of you to knock it off.

If you can’t do that, I’ll do it for you.


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Originally Posted by oldgrognard
And I told both of you to knock it off.

If you can’t do that, I’ll do it for you.


just close this thread mate.

No need to do that if you would just knock it off mate.

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We haven't found aliens because the galaxy is a dark forest.
At least according to some science fiction:

#4601768 - 06/15/22 10:32 AM Re: Did we really just shrugged off Pentagon basically admiting aliens are real ? [Re: The Nephilim]  
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Originally Posted by The Nephilim
Well I for one believe there will be disclosure at 1 point in the near future.



Believe me when I say that I will be most eager if that day ever occurs and we have hard empirical evidence which finally proves the claims. For the time being though I'll just eat my popcorn. popcorn


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I believe there is a managed agenda and narrative behind all of this and I think its pretty obvious just how obvious the behavior and actions of the "powers that be " really are and even more so, just how suspect and untrustworthy they are and have proven themselves to be. This includes, government, military, intelligence agencies, law enforcement organizations, media, the entertainment industry and so on. I believe they have become by and large ubiquitously corrupt and aligned in purpose for the most part whether they recognize it or not. The Bible says the whole world lies under the sway of the wicked one. I do believe there is a spectrum of humanity that is being more or less directly influenced and manipulated by non-humans whether they just fell into that state or sought it out by actually trying to reach out to and contact the other side. I have a different viewpoint than many here may have and its a Biblical worldview. The Bible has answers for these things we're coming up against. Evil is unbelievably ugly and nefarious and it is getting worse. Scripture says there is a great deception coming and I believe that its quite possible that the alien question is part of that deception. There is a supernatural reality at work and in the natural there is a technological one as well. We are seeing just how intrusive and troubling technology has become and its ramping up. We are shown in God's word that there are non-human entities at work and have been interacting with man and man's history from the beginning and these two personalities and their histories and future are likewise intertwined. Its my personal belief that the "other's" have always been here. There may have been some spacefaring on their part but I think its mostly interdimensional in how they operate.(I do think they have knowledge and abilities that mankind does not have and even employ a kind of technology) Ultimately it doesn't matter what the mechanics of it looks like though I do enjoy researching these things myself and I think its important to be watching. The most important thing is the gospel, the good news. There are things we are not going to know in this life but God has given us the most important thing that we should know and that He wants us to know.

Jesus Christ is Lord. He did lay down His life as propitiation for our sins so that through His free gift and by His mercy and grace we can be saved from our sin, the consequence of sin which is death eternal and to save us from a very real enemy that hates humanity with the utmost contempt. God did raise Jesus from the dead bodily, Jesus Christ is God in the flesh. God loves man so much that He came and satisfied our sin debt in full in person Himself. God loves man so much that while we were yet sinners, Jesus came and died for us. He is the only acceptable sacrifice for our sin. He is the author of eternal life and the only one who can provide it. Jesus Christ is before all things. Everything was made by Him and for Him and through Him. If we repent, acknowledge and confess our sins to Him and ask Him to save us and invite Him into our lives He is faithful and just to do just that. He will take away our sin by His work on the cross and in the most wonderful of exchanges, give us a garment of His righteousness. He is the author and finisher of our faith. He will see us through to the end and will be with us always and we with Him if we put our full trust and faith in Him alone to save us. And its the faith of a child we need to have. To be believing and not unbelieving. There is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved. There is salvation in no other. God wants to save us and reconcile us to Himself. He will redeem us and deliverer us from death, the grave and hell. He is not willing that any should perish. God is love. But He is also absolutely just and absolutely holy and will judge this world, everything seen and unseen. Those who receive His Son receives Him and therefore His protective covering and promises. That includes the ultimate blessing of having our sins blotted out by the sinless, perfect, righteous blood of Jesus Christ. If we obey His word, receive and believe on His Son He will write our names in His book of life and save us. Though we won't be spared tribulation in this life He promises never to leave or forsake us and to be with us until the end. He will also protect us from His great wrath that is coming to punish this world that works iniquity. We know that it is a world full of injustice, violence, perversion, rebellion, lying, immorality, disobedience, stupidity and every kind of wickedness. I myself am a very wicked, sinful man but I have been saved by God's grace alone through faith in Jesus Christ and I believe and know in my heart of hearts that He is risen from the dead, that He is Lord and that I must answer to Him. I also am seeking Him to sanctify me and that is a daily thing and a life long process. I won't be made completely whole and new an right until that day He promises to transform all His children into His likeness, gifting us with that garment of His righteousness where there will be no more sin, or temptation, or strife or tears or any of those earthly troubles ever again. True freedom.

This is a subject matter I really enjoy. I find it fascinating but also frustrating. Like many I have followed it for many years. Jesus said let no man deceive you. We live in an age where nearly everything has become deceptive and is attempting to deceive. There are those who want to control everything and perhaps think they will inherit the earth along with some kind of great destiny of their own arrogant forging but as scripture says,

Why do the nations rage,
And the people plot a vain thing?
The kings of the earth set themselves,
And the rulers take counsel together,
Against the Lord and against His Anointed, saying,
“Let us break Their bonds in pieces
And cast away Their cords from us.”

He who sits in the heavens shall laugh;
The Lord shall hold them in derision.
Then He shall speak to them in His wrath,
And distress them in His deep displeasure:
“Yet I have set My King
On My holy hill of Zion.”

“I will declare the decree:
The Lord has said to Me,
‘You are My Son,
Today I have begotten You.
Ask of Me, and I will give You
The nations for Your inheritance,
And the ends of the earth for Your possession.
You shall break them with a rod of iron;
You shall dash them to pieces like a potter’s vessel.’ ”

Now therefore, be wise, O kings;
Be instructed, you judges of the earth.
Serve the Lord with fear,
And rejoice with trembling.
Kiss the Son, lest He be angry,
And you perish in the way,
When His wrath is kindled but a little.
Blessed are all those who put their trust in Him.

God is coming to destroy those who destroy the earth, human as well as the non-human beings that are in open rebellion against Him. I do not personally believe in the growing alien paradigm(which is largely influenced and facilitated by the Darwinian evolutionary theory/panspermia/the occult)as it is described and perpetuated by some, not all, within the so called mainstream science communities, or by scientism or by science fiction. There is a Creator and a design. Even if these entities were to show up and portray themselves in the light of that construct(highly evolved alien lifeforms/seeded human life)with great pomp and circumstance, which without doubt would be enough to shake many people and their perceptions, I would urge folks not to buy what these "visitors" are selling. We often hear, "The truth shall set you free." No. It is, "Then Jesus said to those Jews who believed Him, “If you abide in My word, you are My disciples indeed. And you shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.” Jesus is the way, the truth and the life and we can know this by reading His word which He gave us through His Spirit. When we read His word and believe Him, He will show His trustworthiness and His word has the power to change us, correct us and comfort us. He also promises to give us a new nature and a renewed mind and part of that process is abiding in His word. When we abide in, become familiar with and know His word and trust in Him we will be able to see and discern that which is deceptive. Jesus Christ leads no one astray. He is the truth and as He said of Himself, He is the good shepherd. I do believe there is a fallen realm of created beings that at one time were sons of God however they committed the ultimate treason and rebelled. The scripture gives us a significant picture of what this looks like, what we would call from our perspective the supernatural and the warfare and machinations that are taking place between the Lord and that kingdom of darkness. We are not given all the answers though. There's no telling exactly what fallen classes of beings there may be and what they look like or how they may appear and function. Satan can transform himself into an angel of light but know that he is a liar, the father of lies and a murderer from the beginning. There is no truth in him. And the adversary is plural so again, there's potentially many, many fallen beings, perhaps of different kinds flitting about in the atmosphere, the unseen places and in the world, including intrusion into our homes by various means. All the more reason why we need Jesus in our hearts and in our homes. I do think there is a kind of technology being employed by "them" which will probably only enforce and further the deception if or when they manifest themselves. Even if they have island hopped around the planets in the natural world/universe I believe they have always been here and the scripture testifies to this. There was an usurpation of the first man Adam's earthly authority. Jesus Christ took that authority back as well as: "I am He who lives, and was dead, and behold, I am alive forevermore. Amen. And I have the keys of Hades and of Death." The fallen gang are unredeemable unlike humanity. Jesus shed His blood for mankind.

There is a whole history and undoubtedly many complexities we are not privy to at this time. The most important thing though is that Jesus legally wrenched us free from satan, the power of satan, sin and death. He provides us a way out and that way is only through Him. “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me." There is a very real courtroom of heaven and Judge that we have to stand before. We cannot save ourselves whatsoever and God knows this. God loves you and me so much that through Jesus Christ our debt of sin has been paid for. Therefore, by His grace alone, by Jesus' work on the cross we can stand in safety and in confidence with thanksgiving on the day that we have to stand before the Lord and give an account. When we have Jesus, we do not stand alone. He is our High Priest, Advocate and Mediator to the Father on our behalf.

The bad guys do much damage and wreak a lot of havoc but they have not, nor will they win anything. Their time is short and their conduct, especially as of late shows it. When Jesus returns He will destroy all evil with the breath of His mouth and the brightness of His appearing. He is the champion.


John 10:1-30
Romans 10:1-13

#4601858 - 06/16/22 12:25 PM Re: Did we really just shrugged off Pentagon basically admiting aliens are real ? [Re: Blade_RJ]  
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The world's 20 largest religions and their number of believers are:

Christianity (2.1 billion)
Islam (1.3 billion)
Nonreligious (Secular/Agnostic/Atheist) (1.1 billion)
Hinduism (900 million)
Chinese traditional religion (394 million)
Buddhism 376 million
Primal-indigenous (300 million)
African traditional and Diasporic (100 million)
Sikhism (23 million)
Juche (19 million)
Spiritism (15 million)
Judaism (14 million)
Bahai (7 million)
Jainism (4.2 million)
Shinto (4 million)
Cao Dai (4 million)
Zoroastrianism (2.6 million)
Tenrikyo (2 million)
Neo-Paganism (1 million)
Unitarian-Universalism (800,000)

I am kind of sure that each group above could produce as passionate an adherent.

I just wonder, out of the billions of billions of possibilities, who is actually running things?
I know it is not me....maybe.

#4601859 - 06/16/22 12:27 PM Re: Did we really just shrugged off Pentagon basically admiting aliens are real ? [Re: Blade_RJ]  
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Thread lock due to religious discussion derailment in 4....3...2....1....


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And the post count increases.

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Originally Posted by Sunchaser
And the post count increases.



Do you agree or disagree that it's a derailment? And by the way the derailment occurred well before your post so I don't get the indignation here.

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No indignation here, just amusement. smile.

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Originally Posted by Sunchaser


No indignation here, just amusement. smile.



Hey, someone has to keep SimHQ alive!

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You do have a point there PM, with the exception of CH and the Wings: Over Flanders Fields, there is not much left of this once thriving hub.

I wonder if the dinosaurs will mind the company?

#4601875 - 06/16/22 03:40 PM Re: Did we really just shrugged off Pentagon basically admiting aliens are real ? [Re: Blade_RJ]  
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We can have discussions probing the natural / supernatural mysteries of our existence as long as people are respectful of one another. I know that can be a challenge, but let's "endeavor to persevere", eh...

#4601883 - 06/16/22 06:00 PM Re: Did we really just shrugged off Pentagon basically admiting aliens are real ? [Re: Blade_RJ]  
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To me, it just seems like the same reaction many people have had throughout history. They see something that they can't explain, and decide it must be some higher power, like the gods, or aliens. And not once has that been proven to be the case - the sunrise, the movement of the stars, lightning, flying, crop circles, you name it, we figured out the processes that cause it. I suspect these sightings will end up being the same, there will be some Earth-bound explanation for them.

If they were aliens, they would have had to evade all of the observers looking for wandering comets and asteroids, all of the radar tracking orbital objects, only to be "caught" by pilots with their eyes and IR equipment. And somehow, either they are only being seen by US pilots, or all of the countries are in cahoots in keeping them a secret.


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#4601895 - 06/16/22 06:58 PM Re: Did we really just shrugged off Pentagon basically admiting aliens are real ? [Re: Blade_RJ]  
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Excellent points Arthonon.


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Originally Posted by Arthonon
To me, it just seems like the same reaction many people have had throughout history. They see something that they can't explain, and decide it some be some higher power, like the gods, or aliens. And not once has that been proven to be the case - the sunrise, the movement of the stars, lightning, flying, crop circles, you name it, we figured out the processes that cause it. I suspect these sightings will end up being the same, there will be some Earth-bound explanation for them.

If they were aliens, they would have had to evade all of the observers looking for wandering comets and asteroids, all of the radar tracking orbital objects, only to be "caught" by pilots with their eyes and IR equipment. And somehow, either they are only being seen by US pilots, or all of the countries are in cahoots in keeping them a secret.


to your quote pilots and comercial pilots have been for years told to shut up about anything they see up there or get fired, ground radar is controled by software to filter clutter, its the company who makes the adjustments not the technician behind it. so if they can make you blind to bird flocks or even bugs sometimes, they can make you blind to anything else. and you assume observers like astronomers havent seen it but they look at very specific region of the sky, like how ocme a bunch of astronomers missed a meteor that one dude on his amateur telescope captured ? or saturn comet colision.
also why did the fbi lock down the sun observatory for days, and then claimed it was because of pedophilie ? it wasnt just the offices, it was the whole observatory isolated.
stuff like this makes one skeptic, to answer your last question i dont think countires are in cahoots because international players cant play straight, but they definitely agreed to supress information.

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Originally Posted by Blade_RJ


to your quote pilots and comercial pilots have been for years told to shut up about anything they see up there or get fired


No one ever told me anything about it, must be a brazilian thing.

Then again, amongst the people I met who saw things (as many of us do over the years), the very few ones (today retired) who believed they'd been witnessing alien presence were kinda "different" to what is expected to be the professional norm of thinking process. Those F-18 pilots who recently talked, however, seemed pretty legit to me. They explained what they saw, expressed they couldn't explain it yet, and that's it. Alien allegations are from'"the believers", who could be right, but can't prove they are (yet).

FYI, air traffic control doesn't use "radar" per se, but a projection of aircraft positions sent by aircraft themselves. When ATC need a real radar image, they ask the military. There's an old crash involving wrong altitude readouts by aircraft instruments, pilots in doubt asked ATC for their own altitude, ATC's answer was the same as what their instruments were reading, completely wrong.

Commercial aircraft radars use a lenght wave that is good at spotting large quantities of airborne water, and that's about it. It has ground clutter, can sometimes show other commercial aircraft, but there's litttle hope seeing anything smaller on it,nor bug nor bird.

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I think Blade should change his SimHQ name to "Fox Mulder". smile


I said let it be. That can certainly be seen as provoking the person you have been mixing it up with. A smiley does make it all ok.

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Originally Posted by rollnloop.
Originally Posted by Blade_RJ


to your quote pilots and comercial pilots have been for years told to shut up about anything they see up there or get fired


No one ever told me anything about it, must be a brazilian thing.


in brazil ATC is only done by the military and we use radar specially over the north,northeast region. i think here in southeast we do like you mentioned with transponder, but i see big radar dishes in the airport, i dont think those are for weather.

#4601975 - 06/17/22 11:59 PM Re: Did we really just shrugged off Pentagon basically admiting aliens are real ? [Re: Blade_RJ]  
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FWIW: As I mentioned elsewhere in Community Hall: Many decades ago, I and a friend saw a UFO on a clear summer night (after midnight) over a body of water (we were in a boat fishing). It was the classic "light in the sky". It did not maneuver like a balloon or airplane. Ultimately, I figured it was probably a weather balloon reflecting the moonlight -- I did have to stretch a bit to explain the maneuvers. But, who knows?

As I alluded to earlier in this thread: If we are being visited, I think the objects in the sky may themselves be the "aliens" (i.e. they are not necessarily space ships with occupants). They may be sentient flying robots sent out to scout the stars. If faster than light travel is not possible, flesh and blood intelligent aliens may not want to spend the decades in flight just on the chance they might find something interesting -- so they send sentient robots (like we send to Mars etc -- only ours aren't sentient, yet). Or they may be sentient flying robots with sentient robot occupants. They may have a "rule" they follow -- to NOT, under any circumstances, make traceable contact with the native intelligent creatures they may find (e.g. humans) -- as suggested in some Science Fiction stories.


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" NOT, under any circumstances, make traceable contact with the native intelligent creatures they may find"

NOT much danger of them violating that one on Earth, eh?

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Originally Posted by Sunchaser

" NOT, under any circumstances, make traceable contact with the native intelligent creatures they may find"

NOT much danger of them violating that one on Earth, eh?


Oh, they might run into one of us SimHQ folks. Its probably why they didn't give my friend and I a "shout down" from above. hahaha


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Peripherally related, and food for thought:
If aliens are calling, let it go to voicemail

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Gotta love this profound statement,

“For all we know,” wrote then-Astronomer Royal Martin Ryle shortly after the Arecibo message, “any creatures out there might be malevolent — and hungry.”

Or they just might be friendly! Hey, I just stated that aliens could be one of two possibilities so I sound really smart!


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Not so PM, you stated one of three possibilities, that astronomer guy stated the other two of three and you just quoted him, therefore
you are not really smart, just smart. smile

CyBerkut, I checked out the "let it go to voicemail" article.
The guy who wrote that mainly quoted other guys and I think his main original thought was : "Space is big. Like, really, really, really big."

This: "Vox is a general interest news site for the 21st century. Its mission is simple: Explain the news." raised the question: Why do I need them to explain anything?
They, like most of us, have an agenda.

"Oh, they might run into one of us SimHQ folks. "
Allen, it is a possibility but I fear they would give up in frustration before finding him (or her or it or any of unlimited other gender possibilities.) during the search.

I wonder how many options the aliens possess, betcha we got them beat.





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If aliens are calling, let it go to voicemail



Yep. Broadcasting signals out into the void for the express purpose of notifying "whomever" may be out there where we are is a stupid idea.


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Originally Posted by F4UDash4
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If aliens are calling, let it go to voicemail



Yep. Broadcasting signals out into the void for the express purpose of notifying "whomever" may be out there where we are is a stupid idea.


That is the way I view it as well. If there is an alien species able to travel to us, it is very likely that they are at the top of whatever their food chain is, as in apex predators. Intentionally trying even harder to draw the attention of technologically advanced apex predators seems truly unwise. It's bad enough that we have been emitting all sorts of radio frequencies for various uses (radio, television, communications, navigation, exploratory probes)... Intentionally aiming higher powered signals at certain 'nearby' star systems could get attention of the unwanted kind.

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Originally Posted by CyBerkut
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Originally Posted by CyBerkut
Peripherally related, and food for thought:
If aliens are calling, let it go to voicemail



Yep. Broadcasting signals out into the void for the express purpose of notifying "whomever" may be out there where we are is a stupid idea.


That is the way I view it as well. If there is an alien species able to travel to us, it is very likely that they are at the top of whatever their food chain is, as in apex predators. Intentionally trying even harder to draw the attention of technologically advanced apex predators seems truly unwise. It's bad enough that we have been emitting all sorts of radio frequencies for various uses (radio, television, communications, navigation, exploratory probes)... Intentionally aiming higher powered signals at certain 'nearby' star systems could get attention of the unwanted kind.



I am a bit opposite here.

The way I see this is if there is a sufficiently advanced civilization capable of interstellar travel with a potentially expansive civilization then they would have first had to evolve socially and culturally beyond their primal instincts of survival--i.e. greed/hoarding/conquest/destruction. This is essentially required to avoid self-destruction, unless they somehow avoided some of these harmful attributes to begin with. Thus, having done so, they will likely recognize the importance of other upcoming sentient lifeforms and want to preserve, not destroy them.

Of course, this depends on there not being others out there that may be hostile. I see no utility in wiping out an inferior civilization, not even for their planet's resources, given how numerous planetary bodies are in the cosmos. It is simpler and easier to find other planets that are unpopulated to harvest from.

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I think it's probably too complicated to know what alien civilizations would do. They may have gotten to the top of their food chain by overcoming greed, hoarding, etc., or maybe they were the one "tribe" that destroyed all of the others and are internally cohesive but xenophobic and they dominate or destroy any competitors, ensuring their survival.


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Originally Posted by Arthonon
I think it's probably too complicated to know what alien civilizations would do. They may have gotten to the top of their food chain by overcoming greed, hoarding, etc., or maybe they were the one "tribe" that destroyed all of the others and are internally cohesive but xenophobic and they dominate or destroy any competitors, ensuring their survival.


+1

The bottom line is that it’s all conjecture because we have no hard evidence to go by. So until that day comes where we may or may not find that evidence all of this is just theoretical mental exercises.


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The bottom line is that it’s all conjecture because we have no hard evidence to go by


Yes, there is no hard evidence of how intelligent life of other worlds handle things. All is speculation -- including the following:

Some folks think our path is just the way all evolution evolves things -- wherever things are evolving (our planet, their planet). The "peaceful" humans (or animals) never win lasting peace in the long run. Eventually even if there is peace, the good humans who kept the peace literally die of old age. Each new generation has human-predators that jump in to "do their predator thing". Violent examples: Ukraine war today, Iraq, Vietnam, Korea, WW2, WW1, Civil Wars among others recently.

All that said, the humans who "explore" are less likely to be violent or looking to "take advantage". So, regarding aliens, if any visit us and make themselves known, "we'll see".


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Originally Posted by Allen
[quote=PanzerMeyer].

All that said, the humans who "explore" are less likely to be violent or looking to "take advantage". ".


I think the indigenous peoples of the Western and Southern Hemispheres might dispute that assertion!

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Originally Posted by PanzerMeyer
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[quote=PanzerMeyer].

All that said, the humans who "explore" are less likely to be violent or looking to "take advantage". ".


I’m think the indigenous peoples of the Western and Southern Hemispheres might dispute that assertion!


Indeed. Betting on altruism (from someone outside your tribe/community) is an understandable form of wishful thinking, but it is frequently a losing bet.

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Where aliens are concerned, I feel we must think less like humans of them and more as aliens themselves. I realize the impossibility of this paradigm, but truth be told there is reasonably high likelihood they will be quite different from us in many ways beyond simple physical appearances.

Man's current primal, violent path will lead us to ultimate global annihilation, as history is shown men will ultimately arise who are incapable of wielding extreme, absolute destructive power in an altruistic fashion. Eventually bad things happen and millions die, except the next time this may be billions instead.

Interstellar travel requires attaining a degree of intelligence and prowess we haven't approached yet. Which happens first? Do we survive this long? Or do we kill ourselves first?

I don't think we should approach any sentient extraterrestrial visitor with naive arms open, but instead extend cautious optimism and look for signs of the worst. Even if we detect hostility from the arrivers, though, there likely will be little we can do to stop them. They likely will possess the ability to fold or warp spacetime itself, after all, so wiping out our population should be a much simpler affair than our own weapons trying to harm them. We will be the ants beneath the angry boy's shoes...

Pissing them off is not advised. smile

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We are a flawed and f*cked up species. We can't live in peace with the people who live on this plant.
I don't think we are equipped to interact with other interstellar life forms.

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We are a flawed and f*cked up species. We can't live in peace with the people who live on this plant.
I don't think we are equipped to interact with other interstellar life forms.


I feel they may come to this conclusion, also, hence if any of these "sightings" pan out to be authentic, is reason enough why they avoid direct contact with us.

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Well, we really only have one data point to base anything on, so there is no way of really knowing how an alien civilization might act.

Expanding on one of my earlier posts, look at ants - they are organized and controlled as a colony, and would do anything to help/defend the colony, selflessly sacrificing when needed, but will rip apart other creatures for their own survival, and that helps them survive. Evolve that up to a more intelligent race, and their basic instincts may allow them to dominate their planet, keeping themselves alive and prosperous by controlling, consuming, and/or destroying anything that's not them. They may just carry that approach out to other civilizations and view them as an extension of their environment.

Or maybe there are races out there that have the ability to simply consume rocks and light for their sustenance, have no need to compete for resources, and that allowed them to evolve cooperatively with their surroundings and achieve a great deal of intelligence, and they might carry that out into their interstellar interactions.

Or maybe one of another billion possibilities that we can't even think of based on the myriad conditions out there that could generate an advanced civilization, most of which are probably so alien to us that we can't fully understand their motivations.


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Originally Posted by CyBerkut
Originally Posted by PanzerMeyer
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[quote=PanzerMeyer].

All that said, the humans who "explore" are less likely to be violent or looking to "take advantage". ".


I’m think the indigenous peoples of the Western and Southern Hemispheres might dispute that assertion!


Indeed. Betting on altruism (from someone outside your tribe/community) is an understandable form of wishful thinking, but it is frequently a losing bet.


Thing is, the Indigenous peoples fought among each other before Europeans arrived -- and still fought among each other afterwards. They just added one more adversary to fight with. Sometimes Europeans started the fight, sometimes indigenous people started the fight.

Which emphasizes the point: That's normally how human factions behave towards other human factions. And, normally both sides deny criminality and/or culpability.

Nonetheless, occasionally a European Explorer was "on the side" of the indigenous peoples (e.g. Girolamo Benzoni, it is said). When I wrote "less likely" (quoted above), I was thinking of the exceptions -- like Girolamo was said to be (but, was he?). confused

Interesting thread with thoughtful comments smile


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Finally something solid to go on.


https://www.the-sun.com/news/5589655/speak-aliens-ancient-pyramid-secret-language/?rec_article=true


It is really going to help having someone that can speak to them in their language.


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LMAO.

Thanks for the great laugh OG. Why is it that hot women are usually batshi* crazy?


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Why is it that hot women are usually batshi* crazy?

I'm sure the ugly ones are too just no one pays attention to them.


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Originally Posted by Arthonon
Well, we really only have one data point to base anything on, so there is no way of really knowing how an alien civilization might act.

Expanding on one of my earlier posts, look at ants - they are organized and controlled as a colony, and would do anything to help/defend the colony, selflessly sacrificing when needed, but will rip apart other creatures for their own survival, and that helps them survive. Evolve that up to a more intelligent race, and their basic instincts may allow them to dominate their planet, keeping themselves alive and prosperous by controlling, consuming, and/or destroying anything that's not them. They may just carry that approach out to other civilizations and view them as an extension of their environment.

Or maybe there are races out there that have the ability to simply consume rocks and light for their sustenance, have no need to compete for resources, and that allowed them to evolve cooperatively with their surroundings and achieve a great deal of intelligence, and they might carry that out into their interstellar interactions.

Or maybe one of another billion possibilities that we can't even think of based on the myriad conditions out there that could generate an advanced civilization, most of which are probably so alien to us that we can't fully understand their motivations.


i disagree on two acounts, if there is any race out there who lives on mineral or light and dont need to compete for resources, they are problably dumb creatures not very evolved, if we take earth for exemple, evolution seems triggered exactly by competiton for resources,its why i always question people notion of inteligence...why would an octopus need to know math ? does it mean its not inteligent ? it evolved enough for its enviroment. we are the ones who didnt evolve into our enviroment, so we cheated the system and changed the enviroment to us, this need to change the enviroment to suit our needs s in part what cause atriction between our specie as well as the fake value we imbued to things, because one brick of rock doesnt equal a nice painted glass for reasons.

so if you want to know if an alien race is benign or not in your first encounter, do a test if you are not outright eaten or made a hub for their eggs, given them 2 pebbles you find in the ground along an item of your possesion like a key card, your phone (remove the chip first, we must not let them find about the internet or we are doomed). if they offer you something in return, bash their skull or whatever looks closely to it. that means they have an economy and as such they will be an expansionist species.

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Originally Posted by oldgrognard
Finally something solid to go on.


https://www.the-sun.com/news/5589655/speak-aliens-ancient-pyramid-secret-language/?rec_article=true


It is really going to help having someone that can speak to them in their language.


i dont know if she can speak with aliens, maybe she can. but there was one guy who claimed to chant and comunicate to summon ufos...a local tv went to interview him, in the kind of mockery they use to do, but it turned out one ufo showed up in front of their cameras after the guy chanting in hebrew

it was hard to find the video, most source i found went private on the video. but watch this while it is still on

hmmm just watched, this was not the original video, still searching

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Originally Posted by Blade_RJ


i dont know if she can speak with aliens, maybe she can


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The woman can be seen speaking a mixture of gibberish, Spanish and English


I'm going with 'no'. Just another TikToker looking for views.

This is a quote on that YT video of the guy who can summon UFOs.

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The US government may need to look into this man. Whatever he's doing, whether it's some sort of spiritual presence or alien this man is able to summon it at will. It could be some sort of national security issue.


I had trouble submitting this post as I was laughing so hard I couldn't click on 'post reply'. hahaha









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The internet’s global instant reach makes you painfully aware of just his many wackos are out there.


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Takea gander at these, some are WTF !

https://www.tiktok.com/@googlethecurious

Like: https://www.tiktok.com/@googlethecurious/video/7110005177406606635 Jokes in the comment (can't read them without account) it's the rebel base in Star Wars

I remember reading about this when I was a kid. How did they do that? No airplanes 2000 years ago. Only aliens with flying technology could had made them.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazca_Lines

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Originally Posted by Blade_RJ
Originally Posted by Arthonon
Well, we really only have one data point to base anything on, so there is no way of really knowing how an alien civilization might act.

Expanding on one of my earlier posts, look at ants - they are organized and controlled as a colony, and would do anything to help/defend the colony, selflessly sacrificing when needed, but will rip apart other creatures for their own survival, and that helps them survive. Evolve that up to a more intelligent race, and their basic instincts may allow them to dominate their planet, keeping themselves alive and prosperous by controlling, consuming, and/or destroying anything that's not them. They may just carry that approach out to other civilizations and view them as an extension of their environment.

Or maybe there are races out there that have the ability to simply consume rocks and light for their sustenance, have no need to compete for resources, and that allowed them to evolve cooperatively with their surroundings and achieve a great deal of intelligence, and they might carry that out into their interstellar interactions.

Or maybe one of another billion possibilities that we can't even think of based on the myriad conditions out there that could generate an advanced civilization, most of which are probably so alien to us that we can't fully understand their motivations.


i disagree on two acounts, if there is any race out there who lives on mineral or light and dont need to compete for resources, they are problably dumb creatures not very evolved, if we take earth for exemple, evolution seems triggered exactly by competiton for resources,its why i always question people notion of inteligence...why would an octopus need to know math ? does it mean its not inteligent ? it evolved enough for its enviroment. we are the ones who didnt evolve into our enviroment, so we cheated the system and changed the enviroment to us, this need to change the enviroment to suit our needs s in part what cause atriction between our specie as well as the fake value we imbued to things, because one brick of rock doesnt equal a nice painted glass for reasons.

so if you want to know if an alien race is benign or not in your first encounter, do a test if you are not outright eaten or made a hub for their eggs, given them 2 pebbles you find in the ground along an item of your possesion like a key card, your phone (remove the chip first, we must not let them find about the internet or we are doomed). if they offer you something in return, bash their skull or whatever looks closely to it. that means they have an economy and as such they will be an expansionist species.

I think the issue is that you're looking only at Earth, which again, is just one data point. If you think about all of the things that went into human evolution, so many were specific to Earth that we have no way of knowing whether life on other planets would have any of the same developmental processes. If a species did not have to compete for survival,or even expend much effort, maybe that would leave them free to explore and develop technologies for that, and satisfy their curiosity. Maybe it could take eons longer to achieve than on Earth, or maybe faster, it all depends on their biological development and other evolutionary inputs based on their environment. Maybe they didn't have competition from other life, but maybe their planet was volcanic and required solutions for survival from that standpoint, so they still had motivation to progress.


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Originally Posted by NoFlyBoy
Takea gander at these, some are WTF !



I remember reading about this when I was a kid. How did they do that? No airplanes 2000 years ago. Only aliens with flying technology could had made them.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazca_Lines


Or they were made by the Nasca people who lived there at the time. What am I thinking? Of course it was aliens. That's the only logical explanation duh


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How can they make it when they can't see the progress of it from the sky?

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Originally Posted by NoFlyBoy
How can they make it when they can't see the progress of it from the sky?


Probably using a high tech stick and some rope.

How did the Romans build straight roads? They didn't have aircraft either.

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Originally Posted by Chucky
Originally Posted by NoFlyBoy
How can they make it when they can't see the progress of it from the sky?


Probably using a high tech stick and some rope.

How did the Romans build straight roads? They didn't have aircraft either.


rome at least its documented how they did it. wich was pretty ingenious.

Also the nascar people disapeared just like the incans maybe they WERE the aliens.....hmmmm ? about the nascar lines they are too far apart to be guided by eyes. and the only way for them to know if its correct is to draw them then scale a mountain and go back down to make alterations. i dont think they were using smoke siginals from the mountain but...

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Originally Posted by Blade_RJ

rome at least its documented how they did it. wich was pretty ingenious.

And according to the internet, if it wasn't documented, or it was lost, it was aliens.

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Originally Posted by Blade_RJ
...

Also the nascar people disapeared just like the incans maybe they WERE the aliens.....hmmmm ? ...


My guess is it was the left turns that did them in.

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I think we can rule them out. Carburetors don't work in space, so they wouldn't be able to get here.

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Originally Posted by mikew
I think we can rule them out. Carburetors don't work in space, so they wouldn't be able to get here.


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Originally Posted by CyBerkut
Originally Posted by Blade_RJ
...

Also the nascar people disapeared just like the incans maybe they WERE the aliens.....hmmmm ? ...


My guess is it was the left turns that did them in.


neaner

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Originally Posted by mikew
I think we can rule them out. Carburetors don't work in space, so they wouldn't be able to get here.

But what if they got those space carburetors?

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Is space carburetor as good as the drives in Star Trek, Star Wars, Orville?

Google names of light speed travel in the movies and got this STUPID clip.


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You know Spaceballs is a parody right? And a #%&*$# fine movie to boot.


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Faster than light travel is impossible according to accepted theory. But, possibly possible by some unaccepted (so far) theories. However, even then, the energy required is "impossible" to acquire and put in a Star Ship.

For example this quote for energy needed by one of the possibly possible methods:

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"The energy required for this drive traveling at light speed encompassing a spacecraft of 100 meters in radius is on the order of hundreds of times of the mass of the planet Jupiter," Lentz says.

"[ a lower energy way must be found] The energy savings would need to be drastic, of approximately 30 orders of magnitude to be in range of modern nuclear fission reactors."


Translation: For a decent size space ship to travel at light speed, it would need a lump of fuel 100s of times as large as the planet Jupiter. It probably wouldn't fit in the ship's fuel tank.

Translation: Another way is a new type of fuel that's the equivalent of making a tiny watch battery as powerful as a nuclear power plant.

However, again, accepted theories say its impossible no matter what -- even with those inventions.

So, the aliens would have to get on the "slow boat" -- e.g. take 10s or hundreds of years just to travel from the nearest star -- and they probably have 10 or 20 times that distance to travel, at best. Enough energy to travel many light years would still be a problem.


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Originally Posted by Allen
Faster than light travel is impossible according to accepted theory. But, possibly possible by some unaccepted (so far) theories. However, even then, the energy required is "impossible" to acquire and put in a Star Ship.


Nothing travels faster than light, except possibly bad news which obeys it's own special laws. We just need to find a way to hook that up to a spaceship.

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Spaceballs is one of the funniest movies ever made. A masterpiece.


I wholeheartedly agree

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Originally Posted by Allen
Faster than light travel is impossible according to accepted theory. But, possibly possible by some unaccepted (so far) theories. However, even then, the energy required is "impossible" to acquire and put in a Star Ship.

For example this quote for energy needed by one of the possibly possible methods:

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"The energy required for this drive traveling at light speed encompassing a spacecraft of 100 meters in radius is on the order of hundreds of times of the mass of the planet Jupiter," Lentz says.

"[ a lower energy way must be found] The energy savings would need to be drastic, of approximately 30 orders of magnitude to be in range of modern nuclear fission reactors."


Translation: For a decent size space ship to travel at light speed, it would need a lump of fuel 100s of times as large as the planet Jupiter. It probably wouldn't fit in the ship's fuel tank.

Translation: Another way is a new type of fuel that's the equivalent of making a tiny watch battery as powerful as a nuclear power plant.

However, again, accepted theories say its impossible no matter what -- even with those inventions.

So, the aliens would have to get on the "slow boat" -- e.g. take 10s or hundreds of years just to travel from the nearest star -- and they probably have 10 or 20 times that distance to travel, at best. Enough energy to travel many light years would still be a problem.


you assume you need to carry the fuel, what if you make it ? with a black hole ? you make one end absorve matter and the other expell it to move forward....the only caveat is...your are never stoping anywhere, but hey, great for probing the universe.

#4602316 - 06/24/22 11:34 AM Re: Did we really just shrugged off Pentagon basically admiting aliens are real ? [Re: Chucky]  
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Originally Posted by Chucky
You know Spaceballs is a parody right? And a #%&*$# fine movie to boot.



Don’t fall for his trolling. He thrives on it.


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Give it a rest PM.

No one mentioned worm holes, have they?


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The Fw190A could not fly with the outer cannon removed.
There was no Fw190A-8s flying with the JGs in 1945.
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Originally Posted by KraziKanuK
Give it a rest PM.

No one mentioned worm holes, have they?


Wormholes do not violate physics, theoretically. General relativity provides a basis for their conception. How to create one, on the other hand, requires a direct understanding of what spacetime itself is, first. THAT is the biggest mystery in physics today.

We simply do not yet know what space actually is.

Hint: It probably is not "nothing."

Otherwise we wouldn't have silly placeholders labeled "dark matter" and "dark energy" to compensate for galactic rotation and the Hubble constant.


I also would not rule out Alcubierre technology, either, for the reasons mentioned above. Moving a bubble of space faster than C doesn't necessarily violate C because space itself is moving, especially considering a craft within the bubble is moving at sub-C velocity within. I have always found concept of relativistic mass approaching infinity amusing--yes, I have done the Lorentz transforms and yes the math adds up that as one approaches C their relativistic mass(this is different than true mass) increases to infinity, thus requiring infinite energy to reach C. Yes, I am aware and understand why this is based on the special relativistic length contraction as pertains to the slope/spacetime relationship. Still, while this works within the mathematical framework, this is a framework(albeit grounded in solid conceptual logic) that is dependent on observations around the still unexplained concept of spacetime. Until we know what space truly is, even these models are subject to tweaking--or perhaps not--additional clauses may yet be added.

Special relativity works and I do not question that at all. What I do strive to understand better is "why" the relativistic mass is added and what is precisely causing this beyond a steepening slope through length contraction. We do not have the full answer to this yet.



I also have a strange, bizarre notion that entropy is somehow connected to spacetime itself, but I'm saving that tidbit for something I want to write someday.


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Originally Posted by KraziKanuK
Give it a rest PM.



I call out BS when I see it regardless of where it comes from. So sorry, NO I will not give it a rest.


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Originally Posted by Mr_Blastman
Originally Posted by KraziKanuK
Give it a rest PM.

No one mentioned worm holes, have they?


Wormholes do not violate physics, theoretically. General relativity provides a basis for their conception. How to create one, on the other hand, requires a direct understanding of what spacetime itself is, first. THAT is the biggest mystery in physics today.

We simply do not yet know what space actually is.

Hint: It probably is not "nothing."

Otherwise we wouldn't have silly placeholders labeled "dark matter" and "dark energy" to compensate for galactic rotation and the Hubble constant.


I also would not rule out Alcubierre technology, either, for the reasons mentioned above. Moving a bubble of space faster than C doesn't necessarily violate C because space itself is moving, especially considering a craft within the bubble is moving at sub-C velocity within. I have always found concept of relativistic mass approaching infinity amusing--yes, I have done the Lorentz transforms and yes the math adds up that as one approaches C their relativistic mass(this is different than true mass) increases to infinity, thus requiring infinite energy to reach C. Yes, I am aware and understand why this is based on the special relativistic length contraction as pertains to the slope/spacetime relationship. Still, while this works within the mathematical framework, this is a framework(albeit grounded in solid conceptual logic) that is dependent on observations around the still unexplained concept of spacetime. Until we know what space truly is, even these models are subject to tweaking--or perhaps not--additional clauses may yet be added.

Special relativity works and I do not question that at all. What I do strive to understand better is "why" the relativistic mass is added and what is precisely causing this beyond a steepening slope through length contraction. We do not have the full answer to this yet.



I also have a strange, bizarre notion that entropy is somehow connected to spacetime itself, but I'm saving that tidbit for something I want to write someday.



I have been reading and listening to people about entropy recently and it seems fascinating. I will have to dig up the podcast that really goes deep into it. If you don't mind I'll PM you the link?

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Originally Posted by RossUK
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Originally Posted by KraziKanuK
Give it a rest PM.

No one mentioned worm holes, have they?


Wormholes do not violate physics, theoretically. General relativity provides a basis for their conception. How to create one, on the other hand, requires a direct understanding of what spacetime itself is, first. THAT is the biggest mystery in physics today.

We simply do not yet know what space actually is.

Hint: It probably is not "nothing."

Otherwise we wouldn't have silly placeholders labeled "dark matter" and "dark energy" to compensate for galactic rotation and the Hubble constant.


I also would not rule out Alcubierre technology, either, for the reasons mentioned above. Moving a bubble of space faster than C doesn't necessarily violate C because space itself is moving, especially considering a craft within the bubble is moving at sub-C velocity within. I have always found concept of relativistic mass approaching infinity amusing--yes, I have done the Lorentz transforms and yes the math adds up that as one approaches C their relativistic mass(this is different than true mass) increases to infinity, thus requiring infinite energy to reach C. Yes, I am aware and understand why this is based on the special relativistic length contraction as pertains to the slope/spacetime relationship. Still, while this works within the mathematical framework, this is a framework(albeit grounded in solid conceptual logic) that is dependent on observations around the still unexplained concept of spacetime. Until we know what space truly is, even these models are subject to tweaking--or perhaps not--additional clauses may yet be added.

Special relativity works and I do not question that at all. What I do strive to understand better is "why" the relativistic mass is added and what is precisely causing this beyond a steepening slope through length contraction. We do not have the full answer to this yet.



I also have a strange, bizarre notion that entropy is somehow connected to spacetime itself, but I'm saving that tidbit for something I want to write someday.



I have been reading and listening to people about entropy recently and it seems fascinating. I will have to dig up the podcast that really goes deep into it. If you don't mind I'll PM you the link?


Sure, I would love to listen. smile

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Sent. Listen to second first as think got them muddled. Would like to hear what you think.

#4602358 - 06/25/22 01:00 AM Re: Did we really just shrugged off Pentagon basically admiting aliens are real ? [Re: PanzerMeyer]  
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Originally Posted by PanzerMeyer
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Give it a rest PM.



I call out BS when I see it regardless of where it comes from. So sorry, NO I will not give it a rest.


No just your VERY narrow view.


There was only 16 squadrons of RAF fighters that used 100 octane during the BoB.
The Fw190A could not fly with the outer cannon removed.
There was no Fw190A-8s flying with the JGs in 1945.
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Originally Posted by KraziKanuK
Originally Posted by PanzerMeyer
Originally Posted by KraziKanuK
Give it a rest PM.



I call out BS when I see it regardless of where it comes from. So sorry, NO I will not give it a rest.


No just your VERY narrow view.


Welcome to my IGNORE list.


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This thread has shown some very deep emotions in people.

Let’s keep it cool Gentlemen


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not really, just the same suspect who already declared many times elsewhere that they have no belief or interest in the subject matter, but still need to fill the quota of the day.

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Originally Posted by Blade_RJ
not really, just the same suspect who already declared many times elsewhere that they have no belief or interest in the subject matter, but still need to fill the quota of the day.

Somebody should tell him he doesn't have to reply to EVERY post.

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If you have a problem with me you can send me a PM instead of talking behind my back. Or is that really more your style anyway bud?


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Looks up front and in the open.


There was only 16 squadrons of RAF fighters that used 100 octane during the BoB.
The Fw190A could not fly with the outer cannon removed.
There was no Fw190A-8s flying with the JGs in 1945.
#4602394 - 06/26/22 05:07 AM Re: Did we really just shrugged off Pentagon basically admiting aliens are real ? [Re: Blade_RJ]  
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Houston, Tx.

Those alien guys just love hanging around our solar system, stirring up stuff and trying to turn us against one another.

We need to stick together, at least until the robots take over, then we can let them (the robots) deal with those pesky aliens.

Then we will have less to worry about and lots more time to argue amongst ourselves, win, win, eh?

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Originally Posted by PanzerMeyer
If you have a problem with me you can send me a PM instead of talking behind my back. Or is that really more your style anyway bud?

What was behind your back ? you mean in the public forum ?
Panzermeyer, it seems you think EVERY topic on SimHQ needs your input, even when you have zero interest in some. You mocks other who dare think differently than you.
I know I can speak for myself, I do not need your stamp of approval on anything.
It's sad, there really is a small fraction of members left here, and it is becoming quite toxic.

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Originally Posted by WangoTango

What was behind your back ? you mean in the public forum ?
Panzermeyer, it seems you think EVERY topic on SimHQ needs your input, even when you have zero interest in some. You mocks other who dare think differently than you.
I know I can speak for myself, I do not need your stamp of approval on anything.
It's sad, there really is a small fraction of members left here, and it is becoming quite toxic.



First of all, I post on topics that INTEREST me and you will see PLENTY of threads on Community Hall where I never posted at all if you bother to look. And what "stamp of approval" nonsense are you talking about?

But more importantly, it's quite obvious and humorous that my posting activity annoys you so wouldn't it just be much easier to put me on your ignore list? Trust me, my feelings won't be hurt and I won't lose any sleep over it.


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Was oldgrognard's post not clear enough?

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This is not a soapbox to insult each other. I tried twice to make it clear to back it off.

Next one gets a holiday.

I will be watching a couple of you more closely. Not just in this thread.

Community Hall is supposed to be a congenial place to kibitz.


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Naval crew confirm warships were swarmed by 100 'other worldly' UFOs

Sailors on board a fleet of Navy warships sailing off the Southern California coast in July 2019 witnessed several of the ships being swarmed by a host of unidentified flying objects. The incident went on for hours, and then happened again and again throughout the month, with craft hovering and zipping around near the fleet with flashing multicolored lights. Navy chiefs have tried to explain away the incident, with the Deputy Director for Naval Intelligence saying he was 'reasonably confident' the objects were drones.


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Originally Posted by KraziKanuK
Naval crew confirm warships were swarmed by 100 'other worldly' UFOs


Huh?

Drone Swarms That Harassed Navy Ships Off California Demystified In New Documents

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The War Zone has received a highly significant new set of documents from the U.S. Navy via the Freedom of Information Act about a series of enigmatic drone swarm events that occurred in the waters off Southern California in 2019. These incidents have come to be woven into an ongoing discussion about unidentified aerial phenomena, traditionally known as UFOs. In previous weeks, top defense officials told Congress that the 2019 swarm incidents were caused by drones. These new documents leave little doubt in that regard.


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So a big "nothing burger". Not surprised one bit. smile


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Originally Posted by PanzerMeyer
So a big "nothing burger". Not surprised one bit. smile



Have you watched any of the David Fravor interview?


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Originally Posted by F4UDash4
Originally Posted by PanzerMeyer
So a big "nothing burger". Not surprised one bit. smile



Have you watched any of the David Fravor interview?

Who was controlling these "drones" ? Sound like the old "weather balloon" excuse. Nothing to see here folks. Oh, OK Mr. Government man.

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Originally Posted by WangoTango
Originally Posted by F4UDash4
Originally Posted by PanzerMeyer
So a big "nothing burger". Not surprised one bit. smile



Have you watched any of the David Fravor interview?

Who was controlling these "drones" ? Sound like the old "weather balloon" excuse. Nothing to see here folks. Oh, OK Mr. Government man.



Who is that directed at and why?


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Originally Posted by F4UDash4
Originally Posted by WangoTango
Originally Posted by F4UDash4
Originally Posted by PanzerMeyer
So a big "nothing burger". Not surprised one bit. smile



Have you watched any of the David Fravor interview?

Who was controlling these "drones" ? Sound like the old "weather balloon" excuse. Nothing to see here folks. Oh, OK Mr. Government man.



Who is that directed at and why?


clearly he is speaking broadly but in response to your post as new excuse since methane gas is not a thing anymore and everyone can check where and when weather balloons were released now. were you talking about this interview or the podcast one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZA-h3dIeD_A

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Originally Posted by Blade_RJ
Originally Posted by F4UDash4
Originally Posted by WangoTango
Originally Posted by F4UDash4
Originally Posted by PanzerMeyer
So a big "nothing burger". Not surprised one bit. smile



Have you watched any of the David Fravor interview?

Who was controlling these "drones" ? Sound like the old "weather balloon" excuse. Nothing to see here folks. Oh, OK Mr. Government man.



Who is that directed at and why?


clearly he is speaking broadly but in response to your post as new excuse since methane gas is not a thing anymore and everyone can check where and when weather balloons were released now. were you talking about this interview or the podcast one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZA-h3dIeD_A


Whatever... rolleyes

I was referring to this I posted earlier:

Originally Posted by F4UDash4
The video below is great, I watched the entire 4 hours (over a few days) because Fravor is an interesting guy. But at least go to the 1:11 mark and watch the 30 minutes that he describes his experience. This isn't some crackpot, he DID see "something" that his years of experience could not explain away.





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Fravor's account (and his wing man) are clearly two of the most credible recent accounts. It cannot be testing of new black kit surely?

F4 - his Joe Rogan interview is also worth a listen.

We either trust our servicemen or we do not.

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Hmmmm. A quick fun-calculation that might be wrong.

Uranium has lots of power per kilogram. A uranium fueled propulsion system (that was 100% efficient) would need over 500kg of uranium to propel 1kg of anything to the "speed of light". And, parenthetically, another 500kg to slow back down from the speed of light for landing.

Problem, what propels the 500kg of uranium in the "fuel tank" -- oh, that would need an additional 250,000kg of uranium. What would propel that 250,000kg -- oh, that would add 125,000,000kg (125 million kg) of uranium to the fuel tank -- and so on and so on to an infinitely large, infinitely heavy fuel tank.

Conclusion: Normal propulsion with normal energy sources won't work if one wants to travel among the stars at anywhere near light speed -- as many others have pointed out.

So, realistically, how would Aliens do it? For example, just go slow and take a few thousand years to get here (e.g. Alien Sentient Robots on a robot ship)?


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Originally Posted by RossUK
Fravor's account (and his wing man) are clearly two of the most credible recent accounts. It cannot be testing of new black kit surely?

F4 - his Joe Rogan interview is also worth a listen.

We either trust our servicemen or we do not.




Fravor is great to listen to regardless of the topic, most of the video isn't about "UFO's"

If you've ever seen the PBS special "Carrier" it is Fravor who takes over a mission from a nugget on a bad weather night and makes a really hairy night trap.


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Originally Posted by Allen
Hmmmm.

So, realistically, how would Aliens do it?

same way we did



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Originally Posted by F4UDash4
Originally Posted by RossUK
Fravor's account (and his wing man) are clearly two of the most credible recent accounts. It cannot be testing of new black kit surely?

F4 - his Joe Rogan interview is also worth a listen.

We either trust our servicemen or we do not.




Fravor is great to listen to regardless of the topic, most of the video isn't about "UFO's"

If you've ever seen the PBS special "Carrier" it is Fravor who takes over a mission from a nugget on a bad weather night and makes a really hairy night trap.


I agree about Fravor. Real good vibes about him. And yes I've seen Carrier, great series.

If you do podcasts, he was on The Fighter Pilot Podcast. Link below. As an aside the podcast is totally fantastic and I think you'll like the presenter. He is a cynic about UFO's but you can tell he's impressed by Fravor.

I think you'd enjoy it

https://podcasts.google.com/feed/aH...Tc4MjViNGUwOWE0Nzc3YTUyYTViYWNmMTE?ep=14

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Originally Posted by RossUK
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Fravor's account (and his wing man) are clearly two of the most credible recent accounts. It cannot be testing of new black kit surely?

F4 - his Joe Rogan interview is also worth a listen.

We either trust our servicemen or we do not.




Fravor is great to listen to regardless of the topic, most of the video isn't about "UFO's"

If you've ever seen the PBS special "Carrier" it is Fravor who takes over a mission from a nugget on a bad weather night and makes a really hairy night trap.


I agree about Fravor. Real good vibes about him. And yes I've seen Carrier, great series.

If you do podcasts, he was on The Fighter Pilot Podcast. Link below. As an aside the podcast is totally fantastic and I think you'll like the presenter. He is a cynic about UFO's but you can tell he's impressed by Fravor.

I think you'd enjoy it

https://podcasts.google.com/feed/aH...Tc4MjViNGUwOWE0Nzc3YTUyYTViYWNmMTE?ep=14


Added "The Fighter Pilot Podcast" to my Spotify listening queue, thanks


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What was the Royal Australian Air Force doing in New Mexico? wink


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What was the Royal Australian Air Force doing in New Mexico? wink

That's something I was wondering as well. I guess it's Reserve Army Air Force?! Roswell Army Air Field
And which movie is it, that youngsters stand in line for the tickets, despite some levvies broke and the owner sweeps water out of the lobby of his theater in Grand Tower Illinois - and why is that news in Roswell New Mexico???
But also nice to see that the controversy started already right there, with "Roswellians have differing opinions about flying saucers." Question is, are these different opinions from what they have observed, or just different ideas of what flying saucers might be in general - I guess we will never know...
So many questions, but the articles are too hard to read frown

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Even the little Bohemian corporal knew about UFOs.

https://www.google.com/search?q=Maria+Orsic&oq=Maria+Orsic

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Originally Posted by NoFlyBoy
Even the little Bohemian corporal knew about UFOs.

https://www.google.com/search?q=Maria+Orsic&oq=Maria+Orsic


link directly, all im getting are books

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Did anyone see the new photos taken by the James Webb? It shows galaxies older than out solar system.
https://www.nbcnews.com/science/space/james-webb-space-telescope-nasa-first-images-rcna37618


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Originally Posted by NoFlyBoy
Even the little Bohemian corporal knew about UFOs.

https://www.google.com/search?q=Maria+Orsic&oq=Maria+Orsic


Would you happen to be interested in a Flat Earth Society membership?


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Originally Posted by PanzerMeyer
Originally Posted by NoFlyBoy
Even the little Bohemian corporal knew about UFOs.

https://www.google.com/search?q=Maria+Orsic&oq=Maria+Orsic


Would you happen to be interested in a Flat Earth Society membership?


i knew you were a member, how much discount can you offer for members of our community....on the friendship of course.

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Originally Posted by Blade_RJ


i knew you were a member, how much discount can you offer for members of our community....on the friendship of course.



I'm not the one here posting links about Hitler's views on UFO's and the occult. You're asking the wrong person.


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Thanks for that link to Dr Felton's video NFB. I didn't realise that Hitler escaped to the moon in an anti-gravity bell.

You might be interested in a documentary I watched recently called 'Iron Sky' (2003).


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Well played Chucky. smile


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Careful. If our Earth floats it is therefore a witch same as wood, so we must burn it.


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Originally Posted by PanzerMeyer


Would you happen to be interested in a Flat Earth Society membership?


Earth is not flat, it's really

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I am sad for Canada.

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Originally Posted by NoFlyBoy
Originally Posted by PanzerMeyer


Would you happen to be interested in a Flat Earth Society membership?


Earth is not flat, it's really

[Linked Image]

I am sad for Canada.



My...how quaint.


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UFO or aircraft?

https://www.tiktok.com/@dylanander5on/video/7139718083567996203

http://www.calaverasenterprise.com/news/article_656ff98e-2afc-11ed-b4db-df8db04ecf53.html

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Originally Posted by NoFlyBoy
UFO or aircraft?

https://www.tiktok.com/@dylanander5on/video/7139718083567996203

http://www.calaverasenterprise.com/news/article_656ff98e-2afc-11ed-b4db-df8db04ecf53.html


i call it fake, 1 the lighting is not presencial to the scene, 2 the object is moving and tracking too smoothly for the camera frame recoding speed. 3- the audio seems inserted,post recorded,overlaped.

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The second video one can clearly see the triad of lights is above the clouds. Could have been a drone, though.

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The Calvine sighting and recent leak of a photo of it is interesting.

Though I think more likely black tech testing.

#4608756 - 09/15/22 08:37 PM Re: Did we really just shrugged off Pentagon basically admiting aliens are real ? [Re: Crane Hunter]  
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With the high activity over the Ukraine, it's hard not to believe these are military related.

#4608804 - 09/16/22 03:22 PM Re: Did we really just shrugged off Pentagon basically admiting aliens are real ? [Re: NoFlyBoy]  
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Originally Posted by PanzerMeyer


Would you happen to be interested in a Flat Earth Society membership?


Earth is not flat, it's really

[Linked Image]

I am sad for Canada.

hahaa, British Columbia is the b*tthole of the world. Truth be known, British Columbia is arguably the most beautiful province in Canada.

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