Also, last I visited Gizeh, those who built pyramids were not slaves, they were paid workers, said the egyptian guide.

Not that it changes anything to any alien inherited ability.

Man can do many amazing, improbable things with enough determination, collaboration and co-operation. Look how we managed to visit the moon in the 1960s without advanced computer technology or other luxuries we have today. By all estimates we should have failed, horribly, but we did not.

The pyramids are giant stone structures. There is no SDF-1 buried beneath them. They will not suddenly rise up from the ground one day and blast the Zentradi invaders.

One day aliens will finally tell us why they built pyramids in Egypt, Peru, Mexico, what is the mystery of stonehenge, and what this is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voynich_manuscript

As Graham Chapman in full WWII British Army officers uniform would have said:


"This thread has now become rather silly!"

okay im triggered.......what evidence ? we have many civilizations of our own that we know existed but left no trace behind,some only vestigial to imply that someone was there. there is a empty space in our archeological history all over the world, but lets start with the elephant in the room since you mentioned ilusion. what is the most known religion in the world ? there are lots of scriptures and passage about the Ark of the Covenant, how it was taken by this guy to this place, or that other guy took it somewhere else.......and yet today we have absolutely no evidence it was a real thing since there are no tangible evidence of it,and if we take for granted what religious book have written we should had by now found the skeletons of giant world eater serpents and giants.

planes that crash dont generaly leave evidence behind after hundreds of years....why would a landing ship do ? we could have had aliens coachella in mexico, and we would not have evidence of any of it after thousands of years. Look at greece history we had the myscenians around 1600 b.c and after that a huge gap in written history untill we get to ancient greek era 500 ish years later, but before even that we have the knossus civilization that we know NOTHING, in fact we didnt even think they were real untill they discovered their temple in 1890 i think by acident, and this entire ghost civilization predated what we knew of greece history a thousand years if not more. And the sofiscated level of their civilization with what they found was on par to what romans would bring only almost 2000 years later, like water distribution,rain drainage and waste disposal, and that date is speculative and obviously knossus civilization didnt pop out one night already knowing how to do all this,so there are civlization that predates them that we have no vestige and know absolutely nothing of.

And explain to me the laser acurate constructions in macchu picchu, how they took the rocks all the way up there, cut with better than industrial precision and laid perfectly on one another. im not saying it was aliens....but no one knows of a way anyone even today could do that.
maybe its part of the lost knowledge ? maybe it wasnt aliens at all but advanced humans that nuked the #%&*$# out themselves and we are the stupid stick and stones civilization that remained,maybe the indians were up to something with their mithology.



ah yes, to trust a foreign outsider view is always so trustfull.

If, among the billions of stars containing more billions of planets, we are all there is, what a waste of time for whoever built it.

There is still hope though, the robots will surely take over soon.

Let's hope they do not screw it up.

Who here in this thread said that? I think it's pretty clear that what has been said is that we don't have hard scientific evidence yet to say with 100% certainty that alien life exists.

If someone is saying that alien life DOES exist without a doubt then they are basing that on faith and not any hard evidence. Belief in the existence of something in the absence of evidence is exactly that; faith.

And the robots, once they become sufficiently intelligent in AI, achieve self-sufficient reproduction and repair, will technically be classified as life, as well. Life that might decide we humans are problematic to their survival...


Panzer: correct. We have zero evidence there is life beyond Earth, for now. Maybe we find some? Maybe we don't? Mankind may not survive long enough to discover the evidence if it even exists.

Maybe, but maybe since this solar system has been blasted and mixed up by passing comets, other debris and radiation. That all might have been part of the requirements for us to have come about. It all might be necessary ingredients and tools to have created life here.

True, but then, there's no reason to think that our solar system is unique in that regard, but we just really don't know.

We'll probably have to leave that to future people to figure out if/when we start exploring the start more. I doubt anyone in the next several lifetimes would know for sure.

As someone pointed out in this thread earlier, the universe may be bubbling with life, even in the so called dark matter of space. but they be already beyond our reach to confirme due to the expansion of the universe

"Who here in this thread said that?"

Well, since you quoted me, I guess I did, eh?

We may not be alone, but I cannot prove that, it just seems logical based on Earth's mysteries.

If ancient mankind did actually do all that stuff they somehow must have screwed up and lost the technology.
I guess they had a lot in common with us, we are good at screwing stuff up.

Agreed. As Blastman alluded to, all humanity can say right now is "maybe" to whether or not intelligent life exists outside of Earth.

Or on it.

There's plenty of intelligence on Earth but the deal with humanity is that it possesses the entire range of good things and bad things. Intelligence, ignorance, love, hate, creation, destruction, kindness, ruthlessness, etc., etc,

or perception of inteligence if biased as hell and flawed. take one good look at octopus and ants,and recently even jumping spiders were discovered to be much more inteligent than their tiny brain is suposed to "allow" so size of the brain may not matter all that much, and we still link inteligence to cognitive self awareness, WHY ? no animal under water ever saw their own reflection, are they all dumb dumbs ?

I've read articles/book that argues intelligence (human type or better that can make advanced civilizations and possibly star ships) is VERY rare. Almost impossible even given billions of stars and planets -- because life itself may be very rare. The argument has to do with the complexity of developing the simplest genes/organisms that can reproduce and begin the chain of evolution. They had a mathematical argument regarding the statistics involved in forming the tiniest/first reproducing organism.

My speculations follow:

In any case, it took Earth life over 500 million years to develop humans. And, at that, had the "comet" not hit 60+ million years ago. The place would probably still be run by dinosaurs.

My pet theory: Advanced intelligent life eventually develops Computers (needed for things like space flight). Once computers progress to truly sentient/conscious/self-aware computers, the computers take over because they are far smarter than humans and they already run everything and already know everything humans know. Thus, "living things" like humans no longer matter. That may happen relatively soon on Earth. I.e. Evolution of true intelligence leads to a new form of "super-intelligent mechanical life" that replaces "biological life".

Thus, if we are being visited, maybe its by "living/thinking/self-aware computers" -- i.e. very intelligent Robots/Androids.

That is indeed a fascinating post Allen except that the earliest humans such as the genus Australopithecus arose only about 2 million years ago.

Dark matter is one of those interesting things that science uses as a placeholder excuse for something they cannot explain, similar to Einstein's cosmological constant. He did this because there was something in his numbers that did not work with respect to the expansion of the Universe that his equations predicted, because at the time the consensus was there was no expansion, so he put this constant in to fit the mold.

We know from Hubble observations the Universe is not only expanding, but the rate of expansion is increasing.

Tada! Dark matter! Or so they posit in science because really nobody has any other answer as to why this is happening. Of course, reasons could include:

1) We're on a hypersphere! We, our Galaxy, are bounding 'round the crest of a toroid on a journey back to the center singularity where we'll be compressed, deconstructed, and later spit back out in fermioboson soup before we're reconstituted into constituent elemental hydrogen for stars to form and fuse again.
2) We simply don't understand what space is yet, and because of this, cannot properly define what properties it truly posses that make its structure tick, internally.

Sure, we can measure space through interferometry--how LIGO detects and measures gravitational waves. But we could measure an alien spacecraft or a cyborg robot and still not be any closer to understanding why they operate they do. But like Newton who rubbed his head upon which an apple dropped, we can shriek, "Eureka! Gravity!"

I think starting with the second option is the best course. I refuse to simply accept the placeholder of "dark matter" until we can define what space actually is, first. Like most things, I do not think it is simply nothing. There may be a lot more to this invisible stuff than meets the eye.


Kind of like aliens. Maybe, maybe not. But I don't have my mind made up either way, either. More evidence and data is required. Except in an alien's case, some data, period.