#4588002 - 12/29/21 04:06 AM
Re: German awards
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OvStachel
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Hello and welcome.
Yes, you are correct. The Ritterkreutz von Hausorden for Hohenzollern is missing, however for good reason. It's a Prussian medal only. WOFF and all variants presently do not account for region of the pilot, only nationality. Same for Brits being from Scotland, Ireland, or Wales (RFC/RAF). There are no Canadian or Australian based medals either.
To get the Ritterkreutz von Hausorden for Hohenzollern, you were awarded it somewhere between 15 and 22 kills. Mostly before the PLM like you mentioned. But the PLM was not automatic at 20 kills. The very best example of this would be Leutnant der Reserve Josef Mai of Jasta 5: 30 confirmed, 15 unconfirmed kills. He was nominated, but never received the PLM, or HoH. He was Austro-Hungarian. Kind-of an issue for Germans and especially Prussians, for that matter, for a non-countrymen to recieve their medals. This was the case for many pilots towards the end of the war. Too many medals and they cost too much money with a war going on. They became lower quality and were harder to achieve as the war waged on.
The Bavarians had thier own version called Militär-Max-Joseph-Orden (Ritterkreuz), which awarded the same "Ritter von" to the family name.
The Saxony and Württemberg Kingdoms did not carry similar medals or merituos recognitions.
So we decided to keep it simple, we avoided that step on the medal process.
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#4588019 - 12/29/21 11:23 AM
Re: German awards
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RAF_Louvert
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I must beg to differ with you gentlemen, the aforementioned award is indeed in the WOFF campaign, as are various other kingdom awards such as the Albrechts Ordens 2 Klasse mit Schwertern, Friedrichs Orden 1 Klasse mit Schwertern, Militar St Heinrich Orden, Militar Max Joseph Orden, Militar-Verdienstorden 4 Klasse mit Schwertern, and more. Or are you saying the sim is no longer awarding them? If so, that is news to me.
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#4588051 - 12/29/21 06:31 PM
Re: German awards
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Robert_Wiggins
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Lou, this issue may require Pol to shed so light here.
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#4588062 - 12/29/21 07:42 PM
Re: German awards
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For what it's worth gents, I distinctly remember one of my German pilots, under the casual campaigns thread, being "rittered" - so I would tend to agree with Lou (keep in mind that I was flying WOFF PE 5.03 when that happened) - I am assuming that such a thorough awards system is intact in the WOFF UE/PE era. Will have to try a campaign in BH&H2 one of these days. Relevant post available here. Cheers (and a happy new year to all), Von S
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#4588091 - 12/30/21 03:07 AM
Re: German awards
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OvStachel
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It was a Prussian medal and not necessarily mandatory for the PLM, it was just part of the path of medals. It was often awarded to officers of rank, so under officers or Non-commissioned did not normally receive it. It was given out to all regions, but was considered a Prussian honor badge. It was normal to recieve it before the PLM, but did not prequalify you. Again, these are pilots, the HoH and PLM medals were given to many other notable persons in their respective history of German medals. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_Order_of_HohenzollernHas a list of all Knights as well. If it wasn't awarded to you or missed, and it's there, then it might be an issue or how WOFF decides awards. You'd have to raise an issue and ask Pol for that. I apologize as I remember years ago that we talked about the insane number of medals the Germans had and how it needed to be limited. But I guess I was wrong as it's in there which is good! Here's more info on the Blue Max (Pour Le Merite) and you'll see the connection between the HoH and PLM. There is also the PLM with Oak Leaves, Order of the Black Eagle and the Red Eagle. The list of German medals is massive. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pour_le_M%C3%A9rite
Last edited by OvStachel; 12/30/21 03:09 AM.
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