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#4586144 - 11/30/21 01:22 AM This a beautiful Airplane  
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At at least by my eyes. Practical, not yet. Slick? Yep. yep



Looks like it might be quite a handful to fly, but heck, most of us have ground looped numerous 109's and were still here typing. winkngrin

Seriously, a very cool looking aircraft.


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#4586155 - 11/30/21 03:54 AM Re: This a beautiful Airplane [Re: Nixer]  
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#4586156 - 11/30/21 06:19 AM Re: This a beautiful Airplane [Re: Nixer]  
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Nice looking plane.

I chuckled when one man speaking said, "This a real opportunity to travel in a net zero way."

Heh, wonder where he thinks the electricity to charge the plane comes from...

#4586160 - 11/30/21 10:29 AM Re: This a beautiful Airplane [Re: Mr_Blastman]  
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Originally Posted by Mr_Blastman
Nice looking plane.

I chuckled when one man speaking said, "This a real opportunity to travel in a net zero way."

Heh, wonder where he thinks the electricity to charge the plane comes from...


This is my major peeve with the enviro-crowd. Buzzwords like «fossil-free» and such. The power to charge electric vehicles is still often dirty, it is just that the emissions don’t come from your car’s or plane’s exhaust directly, but from a powerplant funnel somewhere else. Which of course can be a good thing for your local air quality, but still, the idea that power magically appears out of nowhere is absurd.


In all my years I've never seen the like. It has to be more than a hundred sea miles and he brings us up on his tail. That's seamanship, Mr. Pullings. My God, that's seamanship!
#4586163 - 11/30/21 11:32 AM Re: This a beautiful Airplane [Re: Nixer]  
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Blastman and semmern both "get it". I wish more people did.


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#4586167 - 11/30/21 11:46 AM Re: This a beautiful Airplane [Re: Nixer]  
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I’m all for reducing emissions, but taxing people by increasing road tolls and other car-related expenses does nothing while the big pollluters are allowed to continue as before, and a nation of one and a half billion people is allowed to open more than 150 coal power plants over the next years..


In all my years I've never seen the like. It has to be more than a hundred sea miles and he brings us up on his tail. That's seamanship, Mr. Pullings. My God, that's seamanship!
#4586168 - 11/30/21 11:52 AM Re: This a beautiful Airplane [Re: semmern]  
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Originally Posted by semmern
and a nation of one and a half billion people is allowed to open more than 150 coal power plants over the next years..



When the West stopped making its own manufactured goods and outsourced it to China, it became China's bitc*. Full stop.


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#4586169 - 11/30/21 12:00 PM Re: This a beautiful Airplane [Re: Nixer]  
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It's a pet peeve of mine too, just looking at the final product and declaring how 'green' it is.

The process of lithium mining doesn't exactly look environmentally friendly either.

We seem to be rushing from one terrible idea to the next with regards to our planet.

Anyway, back on topic, yes that aircraft has some beautiful lines.


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#4586171 - 11/30/21 02:09 PM Re: This a beautiful Airplane [Re: Nixer]  
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When I retired from NASA, I looked for a "problem" to solve. Went with what was then called "Catastrophic Anthropogenic Global Warming". When I started, I was a "believer". I spent a few months downloading raw climate data, reading up on the subject, making calculations, etc. I determined it was bad science. Now, I'm a "denier" smile

I've kept up with what's written -- but no more calculations. Since my period of intense study the data has been "doctored" -- so, repeating what I did would be harder. And, since the the high temperatures were already stable 15 years ago (colder parts of the world are warming slightly), they changed the name to "Climate Change".

The small heating taking place in colder climes and increased CO2 is net beneficial to the environment. We live in a cold, low CO2 period in the Earth's last few hundred million year history. On paper, the next roughly 90,000 year long glacial period is not far off -- not a good thing, long term.

As you've noted above, for every ton of emissions cut by North America and Europe, China has added a few tons during the last 20 years, or so. That is slated to continue -- moreover, India and Africa are joining in and adding their share (okay with me -- they need the energy). But, what we do to reduce CO2 is wasted effort. Atmospheric CO2 is rising faster than ever (but, the temperature isn't).

I like electric cars for the near future (not quite perfected yet). And, safe/clean nuclear energy (or fusion energy, if perfected) is the way to go -- as we run out of hydrocarbon fuels during the next couple hundred years (or sooner if India and Africa really get going).

And on and on. Just my "denier" opinion, FWIW smile


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#4586172 - 11/30/21 02:15 PM Re: This a beautiful Airplane [Re: Nixer]  
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Well, to play the other side a bit, there obviously is a case to be made that electric energy is a more efficient carrier of potential energy than fossil fuels...

With this aircraft, I suppose a lot of the long startup checklist falls by the wayside, which should be a nice bonus.

#4586176 - 11/30/21 04:33 PM Re: This a beautiful Airplane [Re: Allen]  
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Originally Posted by Allen

I like electric cars for the near future (not quite perfected yet). And, safe/clean nuclear energy (or fusion energy, if perfected) is the way to go -- as we run out of hydrocarbon fuels during the next couple hundred years (or sooner if India and Africa really get going).

And on and on. Just my "denier" opinion, FWIW smile


I too am for clean nuclear and solar--especially if they increase the efficiency of panels(of which they're continually reaching limitations, i.e. quantum limits for current tech). Perhaps even a network of space based solar collectors and attenuated microwave transmitters would be nice. Fusion, I fear, we may be a long ways off from. I do not have much confidence in ITER at all. Sure, they're making a bigger toroid with stronger magnets but, frankly, I think they need to look towards how the sun produces fusion instead and focus on figuring out what...

a) Space itself is.
b) Using that knowledge and discover precisely how matter links with space(Higgs, but how?) and then manipulating space or matter to achieve the desired effect.


Both exceptionally tall orders. Regardless, ITER reminds me of high school algebra and geometry, where we were first taught the hard, tedious way to solve a problem only to be shown a week later a far more efficient route to achieve the same answer.

I'm not sold on warming, either. Climatology is extremely complex! From all of my reading and study of extrasolar worlds and variables with influences on climate, we very well may have a grasp and approach the means of modeling our own Earth, but there's far too much at stake in regards to agenda that makes the data pools these models draw from extremely prone to manipulation. Likewise, I suspect much shrugging off of certain causative agents because they do not fit perceived biases.


Back to OP: If someone wants to make an electric plane that flies for hours--cool! I hope they succeed. Avgas is expensive. smile

Newton's first law of thermodynamics, however... remains a challenge. It takes power to translate matter from rest to motion and to remain in motion within an atmosphere. But maybe they'll make the plane lighter through composites while staying as strong or stronger, and perhaps slicker and sleeker, too. We all benefit from techniques such as these.

#4586177 - 11/30/21 04:38 PM Re: This a beautiful Airplane [Re: Mr_Blastman]  
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Originally Posted by Mr_Blastman
but there's far too much at stake in regards to agenda that makes the data pools these models draw from extremely prone to manipulation. Likewise, I suspect much shrugging off of certain causative agents because they do not fit perceived biases.




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Originally Posted by Mr_Blastman
Nice looking plane.

I chuckled when one man speaking said, "This a real opportunity to travel in a net zero way."

Heh, wonder where he thinks the electricity to charge the plane comes from...


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