#4585142 - 11/14/21 04:22 PM
New PC
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Dart
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Lifer
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Well, my trusty 12 year old PC has finally started to really show it's age. It's in hospice, with all manner of crashing, poor performance, etc.
I've done the deep dive on the problems and they're legion. The graphics card is glitchy, the RAM is sometimes erroring out, the processor is a bit behind the times, the sound is causing stutters, etc.
Bonus plan - the darned thing won't let me upgrade away from Win7, even with a new hard drive. Maybe it's a bios thing. And I can't do an in-place upgrade, because I have the dreaded Win7 build that refuses to allow it; and there doesn't seem to be a fix for it.
Since there's no longer any driver support worth a darn, it's that time.
I could have part-built it, but then I saw this:
Skytech Archangel 3.0 Ram Memory 16 GB (two sticks of 8GB) Operating System Windows 10 CPU Model AMD Ryzen 7 (hooboy, I'm going away from Intel, but all the review say this is the way to go right now) Graphics Coprocessor GeForce RTX 3060 12GB GDDR6
And the price point was about 100 bucks more than if I bought all the stuff myself. Interestingly enough, I bought the last of these directly from Skytech for a bit over a grand (with free shipping); now they're only on Amazon for 1600.
Air cooled GPU, which is good. I'm over liquid cooling; it's great for a few years, but not ten. The units are "not user maintained," which means one has to perform surgery to replace the fluid that will inevitably evaporate out of the system.
With my current system, it's so unstable that I don't even attempt flight sims. I really need to hook all the stuff up and get back into Rise of Flight, if only to shoot some touch and goes in the Nieuport 11. Plus it will be nice to play Fallout 4 without crashes.
It arrives Tuesday, so expect a review later this week.
I'm wondering what everyone else is running. I suppose I'm maybe upper-middle of the PC pack with this rig, but I saw a bunch of much more expensive sets out there.
Last edited by Dart; 11/14/21 04:29 PM. Reason: Emphasis added - I want others to participate
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#4585145 - 11/14/21 04:51 PM
Re: New PC
[Re: Dart]
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Dart
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Oh, and to add something about people in general (I don't want to edit again), as it pertains to reviews.
RGB LIGHTS MEAN NOTHING
Good grief, people, if you're going to review a PC, the lights around the fans should be a footnote, not the first thing one writes about at length.
This is like reviewing a car and having a third of it being about the rims on the wheels.
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The opinions of this poster are largely based on facts and portray a possible version of the actual events. More dumb stuff at http://www.darts-page.comFrom Laser: "The forum is the place where combat (real time) flight simulator fans come to play turn based strategy combat."
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#4585149 - 11/14/21 06:21 PM
Re: New PC
[Re: Dart]
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Looks like we're upgrading at the same time and doing a reasonably similar upgrade from similar existing machines. Of course everything costs more for me as I'm in the UK. RAM - 32 GB in two sticks. OS - Win 10 Pro. CPU - Intel Core i7 11700F Rocket Lake GPU - EVGA Nvidia RTX 3060 12GB Storage - 1TB Samsung 9800 PCIe (M.2) SSD and a Toshiba 3TB HDD Case - Fractal Design Meshify 2 - Zero RGB But a lot of room for expansion. Not decided about the monitor, I really like the look of this ViewSonic but it is a bit on the expensive side. Current PC is Win 7, works well but now getting too long in the tooth for flight sims which are all I play. I'm sticking with water cooling, had it in the Current machine from day one and it's still running fine. (Touches wood, crosses fingers.) Hope all goes well with your new machine Dart.
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#4585153 - 11/14/21 07:08 PM
Re: New PC
[Re: Dart]
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Herman
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Well, my trusty 12 year old PC has finally started to really show it's age. It's in hospice, with all manner of crashing, poor performance, etc.
I've done the deep dive on the problems and they're legion. The graphics card is glitchy, the RAM is sometimes erroring out, the processor is a bit behind the times, the sound is causing stutters, etc. Take those symptoms as blessings. Your PC is giving you plenty of warning over the inevitable crash. Far better to slowly degrade and give you time to prepare a replacement, than to try and start anew from a totally dead box.
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#4585158 - 11/14/21 08:26 PM
Re: New PC
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Arthonon
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It looks like a pretty good system, but I'll make a few comments - first, depending on what you want to play, you might want to go on up to 32GB when you get a chance, since that's almost a requirement for stuff these days. Also, you didn't list the drive (unless I missed it), but I assume it's an SSD, which is also preferred, although some come with the OS on an SSD and a second HD for the actual games.
Enjoy!
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#4585171 - 11/14/21 09:40 PM
Re: New PC
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Lifer
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I'm wondering what everyone else is running. I suppose I'm maybe upper-middle of the PC pack with this rig, but I saw a bunch of much more expensive sets out there.
Wish you much fun with the new box, seems like a very sensible build. The performance of your GFX card will obviously depend on what resolutions and refreshrates you have available, but the 3060 is a good medium-high pick. I'm on my i7-8700K from summer 2018 (16GB RAM, bunch of SSDs) with the 2080 Super bought two years ago (originally got a 1080ti with this system). Win10, very early version, updates disabled (too many drama reports from all corners of the internet). Agree on the air cooling. In the same way I stay absent from dual GFX cards (SLI or crossfire), to me simplicity beats that last little bit of performance or quietness. Easier to repair and sort out things, easier to avoid hard to notice issues before they eat your motherboard. I'm not sure there are all that many much faster systems than yours and mine around these days, at least not here in our community. RTX3070 and upwards have been either unobtanium or requiring the sale of your firstborn due to crypto mining, covid and semiconductor protuction issues. Lots of people stuck with their 20xx series or older cards because there's just no resonable priced upgrade path.
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#4585186 - 11/15/21 01:53 AM
Re: New PC
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Dart
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My last two rigs have been water cooled, one i had for three years then gave to a mate, and current i built mid last year...now you got me eyeing my cooler Dart..thanks. Well, it's a function of time and what one is doing. For us, flight sims are CPU heavy, meaning they get hot. So paying attention to dust on the radiator and temps after a few years is in order. Just like an air cooler, if one starts to see temps rise, the first thing is a good cleaning of both the radiator and checking on the thermal paste. I think that's why the top end liquid coolers have a way to refill them (or used to). Liquid cooling is okay, especially if one upgrades regularly - I tend to keep and nurse along systems for a decade or more, which is probably past the recommended life of water coolers.
The opinions of this poster are largely based on facts and portray a possible version of the actual events. More dumb stuff at http://www.darts-page.comFrom Laser: "The forum is the place where combat (real time) flight simulator fans come to play turn based strategy combat."
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#4585193 - 11/15/21 05:43 AM
Re: New PC
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My last two rigs have been water cooled, one i had for three years then gave to a mate, and current i built mid last year...now you got me eyeing my cooler Dart..thanks. Well, it's a function of time and what one is doing. For us, flight sims are CPU heavy, meaning they get hot. So paying attention to dust on the radiator and temps after a few years is in order. Just like an air cooler, if one starts to see temps rise, the first thing is a good cleaning of both the radiator and checking on the thermal paste. I think that's why the top end liquid coolers have a way to refill them (or used to). Liquid cooling is okay, especially if one upgrades regularly - I tend to keep and nurse along systems for a decade or more, which is probably past the recommended life of water coolers. That was my custom build,water cooled except the Titan Card. Wear it died. Just looked back on my buy. Was 2016.
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#4585253 - 11/15/21 11:51 PM
Re: New PC
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PC should arrive tomorrow, so tonight I went out and bought a 1 TB SSD drive. For a hundred bucks.
I spent three times that for a 20 MB drive "back in the day," when I thought it was overkill.
"I'll never fill it up!"
Last edited by Dart; 11/15/21 11:51 PM.
The opinions of this poster are largely based on facts and portray a possible version of the actual events. More dumb stuff at http://www.darts-page.comFrom Laser: "The forum is the place where combat (real time) flight simulator fans come to play turn based strategy combat."
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#4585327 - 11/17/21 12:21 AM
Re: New PC
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Did you get an NVMe SSD (those that plug directly into the motherboard)? SATA Cables are out Heck, I'm unsure. I got the computer late this afternoon and my first thought was "they left out the hard drive," as I didn't see it anywhere. Then, when I added the extra drive, I was looking up the case's skirt and still didn't see it. My old computer crashed (like normal) as I was transferring my Steam directory. I was out of the room when it did so, and didn't realize it until after putting the disk in the new computer. I'm going to move the old drive I use for data from the old computer to the new one, too. There's a bay for it on the back side of the case.
The opinions of this poster are largely based on facts and portray a possible version of the actual events. More dumb stuff at http://www.darts-page.comFrom Laser: "The forum is the place where combat (real time) flight simulator fans come to play turn based strategy combat."
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#4585328 - 11/17/21 12:43 AM
Re: New PC
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Don’t be using this as an excuse to not update your Nieuport build thread.
Good people sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf.
Someday your life will flash in front of your eyes. Make sure it is worth watching.
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