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#4583290 - 10/22/21 01:04 PM January 1915: Historical Campaign Mission Frequence?  
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Hallo All,

i have a question about the "Campaign mission Frequence - setting Historical" in early 1915:
I have started a Bomber-Campaign on german side in 01.15 with FFA 13. The system let me fly every day. Is it right? I can imagine in this early time of air-forces, that the pilots did fly only every second or third day. If so, I can jump with "T+" of course. But I need a base for it. And maybe it is correct, that they did fly every day. I don't know.



Thanks for answer and Greetings!

#4583346 - 10/22/21 06:43 PM Re: January 1915: Historical Campaign Mission Frequence? [Re: Becker01]  
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Hallo Herr Becker,
Our records for the early war are fairly spotty, but based on encounters in the air, particularly in January/February 1915, it would be fair to say that there would be front flights a half dozen times a month, or even every third day or so. Bear in mind that the weather in January/February was generally abominable, and the machines not nearly as capable as the machines of even a year later. We will address aerial activity again in the next major release, but for now, feel free to take to the air when the mood suits, and the sun is shining.
Tschüss
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#4583424 - 10/23/21 04:08 PM Re: January 1915: Historical Campaign Mission Frequence? [Re: Becker01]  
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Hallo @Shredward,

Thanks for answer!

Now I think about the best simulation of historical mission frequence as average of a longer time (f.e. a year).
Maybe
1915 every third day (10 days per month)
1916 first half every second day (15 days per month)
1916 from summer, every 1,5 day (22 days per month)
1916 from autumn every day (development of jastas, squadrons, etc), normal Historical Campaign Mission Frequence from the system.

It is only an estimation, an idea / suggestion. Of course everybody can help / write his opinion.


Greetings!

#4583438 - 10/23/21 06:12 PM Re: January 1915: Historical Campaign Mission Frequence? [Re: Becker01]  
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Stimulating posts gents - and thank you for your frequency chart Becker.

I haven't thought much about flight frequency and so far have been relying on the historical frequency set within WOFF/BH&H2. I will probably from now on follow something as follows, for what it's worth:

Time period --- Flying interval

1915 Jan-Jun --- every five days
1915 July-Dec --- every three days
1916 Jan-Jun --- every three days
1916 July-Dec --- every second day
1917 Jan to
end of war --- rely on WOFF/BH&H2's
historical mission frequency

(Although it's possible that the historical mission frequency generator generates less missions on ave. per time of war -- will have to look into that one of these days -- have not been paying attention to that since I get frequent poor weather periods, of several days, in which flights are skipped anyway - as courtesy of the historical weather mod ver. 1.4.5 (thanks BB). Ver. 2.0.2 of the historical weather mod. gives less flying in poor weather, so perhaps that further reduces frequency of flying, by the way. Might have to try ver. 2.0.2 in BH&H2 -- so far have been running with stock weather in BH&H2, and with the weather mod 1.4.5 loaded in my 4.18 PE/UE backport. As far as I know, the weather mod. that comes with stock WOFF/BH&H2 is at ver. 1.4.4 or thereabouts.)

Cheers all,
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#4583464 - 10/23/21 10:06 PM Re: January 1915: Historical Campaign Mission Frequence? [Re: Becker01]  
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I’m working on mission frequency unit by unit with the WoFF data files varying from day to day, based on weather, unit records where possible, the Comic Cuts, action reports and summaries from all three services, and a wealth of published material. Coming to you in the next major release
Cheers
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#4583493 - 10/24/21 10:07 AM Re: January 1915: Historical Campaign Mission Frequence? [Re: Becker01]  
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Hallo @Shredward,
Thanks for this nice info! Super!
Until then I will use the "manuel variant, see above."

@VonS,
Thanks for your feedback! I see we have similar ideas. You are a little bit more detailed.
I will integrate the "every 1,5 days" (22 days per month) for the second half of 1916 in your variant, because the step between every second day (15 days per month) and every day is to big in my eyes.

Result:
Time period -- Flying intervall:
1915 Jan-Jun --- every five days
1915 July-Dec --- every three days
1916 Jan-March --- every three days
1916 April-August --- every second days
1916 Sept-Dec (or -March 1917) --- every 1,5 days
1917 (or 1917 April-) to end of war --- rely on WOFF/BH&H2's historical mission frequency


Greetings!

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#4583689 - 10/26/21 07:53 PM Re: January 1915: Historical Campaign Mission Frequence? [Re: Shredward]  
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Originally Posted by Shredward
I’m working on mission frequency unit by unit with the WoFF data files varying from day to day, based on weather, unit records where possible, the Comic Cuts, action reports and summaries from all three services, and a wealth of published material. Coming to you in the next major release
Cheers
shredward


Wow, fantastic. Thanks very much in advance for all the hard work this must entail!!

#4583831 - 10/28/21 07:39 PM Re: January 1915: Historical Campaign Mission Frequence? [Re: Becker01]  
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@Becker, I just realized that there are other options, such as "light," that can be set within the "campaign mission frequency" setting (in the "Workshop" menu) of WOFF UE/PE/BH2. Setting the frequency to light, for 1915 and 1916, for example, may give an approximation of the two or three day rule with no flying that we were speculating upon in this thread. It's worth a shot since that would be a simpler solution for now than manually having to tweak each mission by a few days. When Jan. of 1917 rolls in, simply set the campaign mission frequency back to "historical" - and all is well.

@Shred, thank you for your continued hard work on the WOFF series.

Cheers,
Von S smile2

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#4583861 - 10/29/21 08:55 AM Re: January 1915: Historical Campaign Mission Frequence? [Re: Becker01]  
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Hallo @VonS,

I have tried it. I could change it to Light Mission Frequence in Workshop but I fly every day furthermore. To be sure I have started a new campaign, leave WOFF and started it again, but I fly every day.
Have I forgotten something? Does anybody know the reason?

WOFF BH&H2, Patch 1.17, no mods.

Thanks and Greetings!

#4583967 - 10/30/21 03:54 PM Re: January 1915: Historical Campaign Mission Frequence? [Re: Becker01]  
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If you don't mind using "house rules," I would suggest using the T+ time advance feature, along with custom rules that might depend on what type of aircraft you are flying (scout vs. obs/recc) and whether the front you are on is quiet or active.

For example, if flying a obs/recc aircraft, fly only every two or three days if the front is quiet, and every day or two if the front is active. For scouts, fly even less frequently when the front is quiet, to simulate the occasional "sweep" to shoo away those pesky obs/recc craft. When the front is active, scouts might fly every day to chase away the obs/recc and keep the enemy blind about what moves your side are currently up to on the ground.

I am thinking a bit here of the first battle of the Marne, when the reconnaissance aircraft reported the opening gap on the German far right flank.


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#4583998 - 10/30/21 08:23 PM Re: January 1915: Historical Campaign Mission Frequence? [Re: Becker01]  
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@VonS,

here I have a useful info from @Pol about the CMF:
https://SimHQ.com/forum/ubbthreads....f-campaign-mission-frequence#Post4583951

@BB,
very good idea to integrate the active / quiet front (and aircraft-type) into the CMF-average!


So I believe we will find a way above all for the years 15/16.
And I'm very excited about the work by @Shredward!!


Greetings!

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#4584015 - 10/30/21 10:42 PM Re: January 1915: Historical Campaign Mission Frequence? [Re: Becker01]  
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@Becker, thank you for that extra info. -- and for the clarification. I will therefore leave mission frequency at historical for the entire war, allowing mission frequency to override from about Jan. 1917 or at any rate from "Bloody April" '17 onwards - and will use the "T+" feature until then, skipping a day or two or three of flight, as per taste, particularly in 1915. (For those reading these threads, take note that if you have loaded BB's historical weather mod. ver. 2.02, you may already be skipping more days without flight since 2.02 restricts flying more so to days with good weather, whereas the previous historical weather mod. 1.45, also stock 1.44 that is in WOFF/BH&H2 - will throw you into the air more frequently even in poor weather -- so, at any rate, something to be aware of when toggling mission frequency and/or the "T+" feature.)

Happy flying all,
Von S smile2


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