Hello

I fly, I fight. Or rather, I try to fight.
Sometimes he is ordered to bomb an enemy airfield. I fly, navigate, tear through the clouds, look, aim, throw bombs (two) and keep going. I'm flying, the bombs are going too. Everyone goes their own way ...

The Mark 1-W Bombsight patch from WOFF UE can be applied to BHAH II. Unfortunately, it is not installed until 09/21/1916. It doesn't always work as standard. Sometimes you have to press the F 10 key instead of the F 11 key, drop bombs only from the F 6 cabin - you will have to jump quickly. But it works somehow.

So I ask veterans of the Marne or Flanders combat - how did you do it in 1915 when flying the Caudron G-4 ? I understand that using the "hold your eyes" method. Are there any practical tips?

In Alsace, the problem is the altitude of the target itself. After all, my altimeter shows the altitude above sea level. And the airfield or enemy trenches may be even 500-600 meters above. Then the dropped bombs will hit several hundred meters in front of the target. How is this taken into account? Draw charts / tables ?

best regards

Squadron 34
Belford, Alsace
23 X 1915

Hopefully someone can help, but I don't understand what you are explaining to be honest.

Hallo @Taal,

only a short info from @JJJ65, bombsight-mod:
https://SimHQ.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/4568888/bombsight-mod-in-bhah-ii#Post4568888

Greetings

Hello

For the bombs to hit their target, the plane must fly at a constant altitude and speed. Bombardier puts that data into the crosshair.
When the plane is flying high and fast, the drop occurs sooner, When it flies lower and slower, it has to "carry" it further and therefore drops it later.
This is obviously an ideal situation - the target is at sea level and our pressure altimeter shows that we are flying at an altitude of 2000 m, for example.

The problem is when the target (trenches or airfields) are higher. On high hills in Alsace (for example, their height is 600 m above sea level). Even when our plane is still flying at an altitude of 2000 m (as shown by the pressure altimeter), it flies over the target at an altitude of 2000 m - 600 m = 1400 m.
So if the bombardier enters the previous data, the bombs will not reach the target. They will hit a few hundred meters in front of him. They have to be dropped a few seconds later.

That is why I asked whether the maps in WoFF II take into account the height of the terrain? When I was playing "Rise of Flight", the pilots were told the target altitude at the briefing. It had to be subtracted from the height at which the bomber was flying.

Does WoFF II, which is mainly developed as an air combat simulator, assume that all targets lie at sea level? Thus, the pressure altimeter shows me the flight altitude above the target? I don't have to consider the terrain to drop the bombs a bit later?

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Oops ... Previously, I gave the wrong date for using the Mark 1-W Bombsight as 1916. Meanwhile, the mod was developed in 2016. Sorry for the misunderstanding
It turns out, however, that in the earlier years of the Great War, this mod does not actually work...

Are you saying the AI miss with the bombs in Alsace?

Unfortunately, due to BH&HII aircraft model changes - added engine vibrations - it is not possible to implement stable bomb sight platform anymore :-(. So far, I was not able to overcome this problem -(. The only way is to completely disable all vibrations, but that would be a real step backward.

Hi JJJ65, when we get back to WOFF we'll look at that vibration in the bombsites.

Thank you, Sir. In the meantime, maybe I find any workaround .

Maybe use the old m3d for the gunsight model from PE. Also the gunsight mod could use it, are you updating that for RAF_Lou?

Ofcourse, I tried it as a first choice, but the view vibrated badly.

OK no promises as to a quick solution but I'll look into it today.

WM

Hello

I can see now that the problem with hitting the target is not just for me.
I understand the complexity of the simulation calculations even though I am not a programmer. However, I believe that in FOFF II it is worth paying more attention to this. For example, due to the reputation that players enjoy, this simulator is deservedly.
The bombing of targets was, after all, one of the important tasks of aviation. For now, and it is 1915, bombs on the sides of the front are dropped on the eye (with a known result). However, in the coming years, the command will expect much better accuracy ...

JJJ 65 - I keep my fingers crossed for you!

regards

Squadron 34
Belford, Alzacja
19 XI 1915

I think there are at least two issues being mixed up here.

One Taal is you are having problems aiming? That's not a bug aiming wasn't refined in WW1 it's meant to be relatively inaccurate. Bombs will miss, that's the idea, even AI, as we made them more human-like. Even in WW2 they often missed.

The other is JJJ65 says the vibration is too much. Tried the Strutter and Re8 and had no problems with vibration, seemed quite reasonable and did not interfere with aiming. Is there a particular aircraft that it is too much - could you let us know please?

Update: Putting the MK1 gunsight mod for PE in, for the RE8, and it vibrates massively. So Stock it's fine as the vibration is subtle, with the 3rd party MOD it's hugely increased. However we will look at it.

Yes, that's it. Without mod, with stock settings it is fine and stable. However, with mod, it vibrates badly.
Thank you for looking into it.

Pol, why not build a bombsight that comes with BHaH, instead of relying on a mod? One that has working pitch and bank indicators. That would be da bomb!

We'll we don't rely on it or tell people they must install it whatever, nor do we have to fix an issue that appears only with a mod of course - but we will look.
We are meant to be on WOTR at the moment but will see what we can do. As always it's just time to do everything.

Cheers Pol, WM and Jara for taking the time to at least see if anything can be sorted regarding the bombsight mod, appreciated lads

Ok in for a penny in for a pound... we are currently adding in sights into all 2-seater bombers (and the single-seater Strutter B1 bomber).
They are based RAF_Louvert's, slightly modified, (thanks to RAF_Louvert).
This allows us to control the vibration amount and so on.

Awesome news, Pol! Much appreciated.
Now, about that Italian front Lou was working on …