#4576068 - 07/31/21 09:42 AM
Re: 2 Seaters OP?
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unrealistically difficult to take down in every sim I've played. I'd go along with that!
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#4576314 - 08/02/21 04:38 PM
Re: 2 Seaters OP?
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Yeah, the Rolands are in a class by themselves. They've been my sworn enemy for as long WOFF has been around. If by sworn enemy, I mean constantly getting pwned by...
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#4576321 - 08/02/21 07:55 PM
Re: 2 Seaters OP?
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The AI seem to have no particular difficulty disposing of 2-seaters - this being the end of my RE8 campaign during the second mission... I wonder if AI observers have the same fluctuation in skill as AI pilots do, or if they're all the same gunnery wise? I ask because your observer has certain strengths and weaknesses that are listed if you go through your squadron roster. So maybe he missed those shots because he just wasn't very good, and he wasn't very good because he, being in a player controlled squadron, had detailed attributes laid out. Perhaps AI gunners aren't detailed in that way, so they're all pretty good. On my part there is no way I am going to get away with being at that angle and that distance behind a two seater. If I get off with having to crash-land after doing that I'll consider myself lucky.
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#4576323 - 08/02/21 08:04 PM
Re: 2 Seaters OP?
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I don't think there has ever been a Combat flight sim that hasn't had over-effective defensive gunners in the history of the genre! Except Heinkels for some reason, and that's even considering the disparity between WW2 bomber and fighter armament. I love how Heinkels look but everything I've played, even Over the Reich which was a turn-based game, you could sit behind a Heinkel and obliterate it while their defensive guns did little or no damage against you. I'm pretty sure I could shoot down a Heinkel in a Nieuport 11 if I could catch it. It's off putting taking on different aircraft after you've spent a while fighting Heinkels. I rage quit when after trying to play the Germans in OVR I tried using the same tactics on a Wellington that I did on a Heinkel, and he shot down 3 of my planes in a row! In fact my experience against Heinkels might be shadowing my opinion of what a WW1 2 seater should do.
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#4576328 - 08/02/21 08:24 PM
Re: 2 Seaters OP?
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I definitely went above his line of sight and deserved to be hit, but really: shooting around the entire motor and hitting me in the first burst? Are you sure it was your target that got you? I've watched it a few times and I didn't see any tracers coming from his plane. Maybe one of his buddies jumped into the fight. Other than that, all I can think of is that it was the grandfather of Angelina Jolie's character in "Wanted".
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#4576345 - 08/03/21 12:48 AM
Re: 2 Seaters OP?
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I definitely went above his line of sight and deserved to be hit, but really: shooting around the entire motor and hitting me in the first burst? Are you sure it was your target that got you? I've watched it a few times and I didn't see any tracers coming from his plane. Maybe one of his buddies jumped into the fight. Other than that, all I can think of is that it was the grandfather of Angelina Jolie's character in "Wanted". That's certainly possible, although you can see how intermittently my tracers show up in the video. If true, that would just push the shot back to a truly Olympic-level deflection shot from an observer far away heading on different vector at a different elevation!
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#4576457 - 08/03/21 10:28 PM
Re: 2 Seaters OP?
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Your video doesn't show where they are/were/went. I don't know how the observers are modeled in the Caudron, but in other planes if you can't see them, they can't shoot at you (assuming you're that close, of course). And the top wing is clearly between you and him.
It's also possible that you got hit in the head, in which case the bullet would have gone over, not around, the engine. Lots of blood on those goggles.
My money is still on his buddies. Did you happen to look at the replay afterward?
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#4576466 - 08/04/21 12:24 AM
Re: 2 Seaters OP?
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No, I usually forget to...
The older I get, the more I realize I don't need to be Han, Luke or Leia. I'm just happy to be rebel scum...
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Exodus
by RedOneAlpha. 04/18/24 05:46 PM
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