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#4575583 - 07/27/21 03:30 PM Re: History is full of "what ifs". [Re: rwatson]  
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Originally Posted by rwatson
One thing the Russians did was unflinchingly throw troops into a battle without regard for losses.They had an almost unlimited supply of fresh meat


I think that's because the Russian shot anyone who retreated.

https://SimHQ.com/forum/ubbthreads....et-storm-ww2-in-the-east-doc#Post4539067

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Hey rwatson, cool. I will look into that.



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#4575586 - 07/27/21 03:55 PM Re: History is full of "what ifs". [Re: PanzerMeyer]  
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When Russians retreated the Commissars were waiting for him.good reason to take their changes moving forward.


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#4575588 - 07/27/21 04:28 PM Re: History is full of "what ifs". [Re: NoFlyBoy]  
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Originally Posted by NoFlyBoy

I remember reading one time that in a battle where Russia attacked instead of defending, they had 1000 of guns for each km along a 1000 km long front. Imagine being a German soldier and that many guns open fire at the same time on you.


I'm pretty sure you are talking about Operation Bagration in August 1944.


The German army was and I repeat, was ANNIHILATED during that campaign. Army Group Center ceased to exist.


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#4575599 - 07/27/21 07:13 PM Re: History is full of "what ifs". [Re: NoFlyBoy]  
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Originally Posted by NoFlyBoy


The Russian had so much of everything and it wasn't just from what the American and British gave them. Their war factories was like American war factories. They never stopped and maybe made more tanks and guns and vehicles and airplanes than the American war factories did.


You may want to revise your opinion on this.

Soviet factories did indeed stop for some time (not competely but still), quality did drop too, and if not for US/GB assistance, 1942 could have ended in an even less favourable position for them.

A full defeat is maybe a stretch, but who knows ?

On Britain defeat: once the airfields destroyed, and provided no war in the East nor against US, with german air superiority Royal Navy may not have tried its luck into the channel with battleships, so again, who knows ? Not in 1940, but 41, 42 ?



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#4575601 - 07/27/21 07:27 PM Re: History is full of "what ifs". [Re: PanzerMeyer]  
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All the Jeeps ,other material we sent them and Spam kept them fighting
https://www.historynet.com/russias-...the-ussr-in-world-war-ii-book-review.htm


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#4575602 - 07/27/21 07:39 PM Re: History is full of "what ifs". [Re: PanzerMeyer]  
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I think it’s fair to say that the armaments and other supplies that the US/UK gave to the USSR was a significant assistance for the Soviet war effort but it was not the decisive factor.


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#4575604 - 07/27/21 08:09 PM Re: History is full of "what ifs". [Re: PanzerMeyer]  
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Originally Posted by PanzerMeyer
I think it’s fair to say that the armaments and other supplies that the US/UK gave to the USSR was a significant assistance for the Soviet war effort but it was not the decisive factor.


That's a true statement PM we just supplied material to keep the Soviet fighting machine running.I believe they would have never given up or be defeated.Just possibly would have taken a bit longer
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