I've reached the point where I've decided M$ won't decide what I should be running.I fought Win 10 but finally with a new PC I've accepted it.I've been through them all since DOS and Win 3.1 and grudgingly worked into each version since.I figure win 10 will be supported until 2025.I figure by then I won't be here or be wearing diapers in an old folks place.But I did check and my rig will run it
It looks to me like they are aiming more and more at the tablet/touchscreen user, and less and less at the PC / mouse user. Why are they moving the start menu to the centre? That sounds like a giant pain.
This alone is reason to skip.
I never have understood folks who insist on alpha testing early Microsoft stuff. Just not worth the hassle. A computer should work, and the effort involved to maintain the operating system should be minimal.
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Unverified rumor regarding "required" Microsoft Account. Unverified, but, it indicates we're in a "wait and see" mode -- until MS makes an official statement or the "release" version of W11 Professional becomes available.
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The issue [a required MS account] is apparently only for Home, Pro version allows a local account by default.
If you use Alt-F4 at the account creation prompt on Home, it will allow you to create a local account. I hope they don't fix this.
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FWIW: A picture of a PC "passing" the TPM test. My PC can run W11 -- it says. Its the setup listed in my signature with latest BIOS installed.
I use fTPM built into the CPU and Motherboard (not a plug-in hardware module). Took me a day to figure out it was a "built in" feature (an on-line note indicated a BIOS update could be needed for my motherboard).
Hopefully, some of you will find a BIOS update can fix things. Others may find their motherboard has the connector for a TPM 2.0 hardware module. The empty TPM connector on my motherboard is labled "TPM" (its empty because the system already has Firmware TPM built into the CPU/BIOS).
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Information keeps getting posted/updated:
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Windows 11 Causes TPM Shortages, Scalping
Windows 11 is Microsoft's first operating system to require a TPM, or Trusted Platform Module, sending frantic would-be upgraders to online retailers in search of hardware modules.
TPMs that sold for $15 are now as high as $100 through eBay.
The TPM market has largely imploded overnight, with nearly all modules being completely out of stock
The good news is that the physical module will be optional on most systems, thanks to all modern Intel and AMD CPUs featuring a firmware-based TPM that operates inside the chips' trusted execution environment. If you have a motherboard that supports CPU-based TPM, you can turn it on via the UEFI/BIOS.
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TPM is the "talk of the town" today:
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Microsoft has published a list of minimum CPUs required to run Windows 11 on AMD and Intel CPUs. Here’s a quick rundown of the respective situations:
Intel: No Core CPUs prior to Coffee Lake are currently listed as supported as of 4:30 PM EST on 6/25. This includes all 6th Gen and 7th Gen CPUs. I feel genuinely bad for anyone who bought a Core i7-7700K. No Intel HEDT CPUs prior to Cascade Lake are supported.
AMD: Windows 11 is currently not compatible with any Bulldozer-era CPU. It does not appear to be compatible with first-generation Threadripper systems. The 2400G and 2200G are not supported, although the 3400G and 3200G are. The Ryzen 1700X, 1800X, and all related CPUs are unsupported.
I am not sure that check tool is reliable at this point. I just ran it on my Surface Pro 4 and it told me "Your organization manages updates on this PC. For info about getting Windows 11, contact your IT admin."
Thing is, it's my personal device, not connected to a domain. Maybe it said that because it's Windows 10 Pro, but it seems like it's not fully dialed in yet.
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I would not put that on anyone's machine. You can't trust Microsoft. Remember before Window 10 was out, they snuck something in Windows Update KB files for anything running below 10. Reminders started popping up on machines to buy and install 10. Some people even reported their computers and laptops were rendered useless and only fix was to install 10. Other folks got this: https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us...ate/864c9313-5217-4dec-9d3f-1359818c6156
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If all PC games ran on Linux I would have dumped Windows a long time ago.
“Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. And if you gaze long enough into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you.”
If all PC games ran on Linux I would have dumped Windows a long time ago.
I dip into Linux every once in a while. Recently I installed Zorin OS on my 3rd gen i7 laptop. This machine has been relegated to browsing/movies/casual gaming so is an ideal candidate for Linux.
I dabbled with Proton in Steam but it's hit and miss depending on the game. A simple windows game that runs fine in windows is laggy when run in Proton. The problem is that most of the games I want to play do not have Linux native versions.
To get a good idea what will run have a look at this website https://www.protondb.com. If you look up Elite Dangerous for example you will see mixed results. Some say it runs as well as it does in Windows,others saying it won't even run or if it does the performance is poor.
This whole Win 11 requirement has pi$$ed me off and of course it's still too early to see what the final plans are but I'm thinking of dual-booting and just keep Win 10 purely for gaming. Maybe in the next 4 years I'll be able to afford (and source) a reasonably priced PC.
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A minor restatement of the TPM situation -- that adds a bit of information:
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Windows 11 to Ship Without TPM Requirement for 'Special Purpose' Systems
[Microsoft] will allow some systems to ship without the feature enabled. Unfortunately, normal users probably won't have access .. special builds are likely tailored for use in countries that don't use Western encryption technologies, like China and Russia.
Windows 11 requires either a physical TPM key, .. or support for fTPM, excluding a large swath of relatively modern systems
[Microsoft] clarified that Windows 11 would only support the newer [TPM] 2.0 revision [TPM 1.2 does not work].
Enterprising enthusiasts are already finding workarounds to install Windows 11 on systems without TPM support... Still, it is unclear if those techniques will work on shipping versions of the ISO.
A little more info in the attachment (red outline).
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W11 advertises "better gaming". But, there seems to be a catch or two.
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Microsoft DirectStorage Walled Off from Windows 10, Now Needs Windows 11 and DirectX 12 Ultimate GPU
Microsoft's ambitious DirectStorage API, which attempts to solve the storage bottleneck in games, facilitating faster game load times, has been walled off from Windows 10. To use it, games now require the new Windows 11 operating system, and a GPU that supports the DirectX 12 Ultimate API. This limits the GPU choices to NVIDIA's GeForce RTX 20-series, RTX 30-series, and AMD's Radeon RX 6000 series.
The other hardware requirement intrinsic to DirectStorage is for you to use an NVMe SSD that uses Microsoft's "Standard NVM Express Controller" driver that's included with Windows. Another hardware requirement that's baffling is that the SSD should be at least 1 TB in capacity.
My 1.5 year-old cheap ($230.00) Lenovo IdeaPad L340 laptop still checks out (Core i3 / 8th Gen CPU), but I won't be upgrading. When I finally need to do Win11 support testing, I'll just buy another ~$200.00 laptop with Win11 pre-installed. Then I'll have a current backup system (like I do with glasses, new frames about every 3 to 4 years for a recent backup pair).
I gripe about new tech sometimes, but not the price (remembering spending thousands of dollars on a new 486DX2/66 w/NEC monitor). At least the newer disposable hardware costs so much less than it used to.
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