so you ignored the video i posted on the last page, i see.
I saw it, but I didn't see anything compelling. Without the layered context of a UFO sighting it sounded more like operator training. Some still images, some video of a hot object flying over the horizon. Am I expected to believe the hot object hit the water exactly on the horizon? That's not the most obvious explanation.
It suffers from what all the other videos suffer from - simply a lack of clarity, always a fuzzy IR footage that can have an easy explanation, but presented as if it does not. Showing IR footage alongside radar screen footage as though they are connected, when it is not obvious that they even are. With cameras everywhere, with every adult owning one right in their pocket, still the only evidence is fuzzy IR and choppy radar footage. That's just what I see, I can't make myself see something that isn't there.
Why is there even radar screen footage from a military ship? Isn't that stuff restricted? The primary reason for filming something like that in the first place is for training AAR, which is what it sounded like.
so you didnt watch the video you just skip past it, the video that you claim to be training,leaked from official investigation that is going to the congress, the sensitive military stuff is blurred, nothing new, even gulf war footage still has hidden azimuth and heading of apache footage.
I just said I saw it, right in the comment you quoted. And I didn't say it was training, I said it sounded like it. I don't speak out of nowhere- I was an air force radar technician for 15+ years, and I know what instructors sound like when they're trying to get information from a trainee about what they're seeing.
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who has cameras everywhere ? survailance cameras look DOWN, no one carries digicams anymore, cellphones cameras use auto focus for close objects, and most people are taking pictures of themselves. But there are quite a few unanswered footage of unknown lights that gets captured on home survailance cams, specially those in more rural areas, since they tend to point more to horizon than down.
Come on, you know what I mean, everyone has a camera nowadays, exactly that. Hundreds of millions of new cameras and hardly anything in the way of decent footage. Plenty of reasons that good cameras are not able to do so though :/
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#4571180 - 06/07/2102:27 PMRe: UFO footage from USS Russell - declassified
[Re: WangoTango]
Not a duck, not a seagull. Claiming so is just straight up trolling. Probably Chinese tech.
Originally Posted by RossUK
Trolling OR fear. Probably both.
Originally Posted by WangoTango
Originally Posted by RossUK
Trolling OR fear. Probably both.
True.
Lol, OK guys I'm neither trolling nor scared. It's just a viewpoint I hold, just because I'm not buying into it no need to try to negate it completely, we're actually allowed to disagree. The burden of proof is not on me here, I can prove ducks exist.
I can't make myself see something I can't see, and I can't accept the idea there is no explanation just because it is presented as having no explanation. All I can tell you is it looked more like a duck to me than anything else. If it's a seagull, well I'll accept that hit :/
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#4571195 - 06/07/2104:43 PMRe: UFO footage from USS Russell - declassified
[Re: Blade_RJ]
Who says "life" has to be carbon based and breath oxygen?
Basic chemistry.
The problem with other elements that can bond to themselves, like silicon, is that the chains are very short - usually no more than four atoms long. Only Carbon can make long chains with itself and have other elements paired with it as well.
So yeah, life has to be carbon based, or at least complex life.
As to oxygen, you're correct. For a big chunk of Earth's history, life didn't rely on oxygen; it was anaerobic.
Along comes primitive algae, trying like hell to get some of the energy from the sun that the damned ol' cyanobacteria was gobbling up, and going a different, less efficient route. Photosynthesis allowed them to use the parts of the spectrum filtered by, and as a byproduct they released oxygen.
This lead to the Great Oxidation Event, which is a nice way of saying Mass Extinction.
what is complex life and what is simpler life ? so you are saying its possible !
The transition from prokaryotic to eukaryotic life was one of the most important transitions in history.
Dart is right.
Based on the stellar fusion process, there are a handful of abundant elements that coincidentally are widespread enough and suited for life. There are six primary elements, carbon, hydrogen, nitrogen, oxygen, sulphur and phosphorus, that most life on Earth is based on. If you look them up on the periodic table, you'll notice they all lie before Iron, which is a critical inflection point in a star's life cycle, for when Iron is begun to be fused, and that star exceeds the Chandrasekhar limit in mass(~1.4 Sols), supernova happens and the heavier elements are then created and hurtled off in a cosmic cloud, which may later accrete into new planets and stars. From a life standpoint, a chemical composition similar to our own makes sense, for points Dart has already mentioned, particularly that of carbon chaining.
One of those elements, phosphorous, can be substituted for arsenic, for example, which changes everything, internally, on how the organism would function. As you are probably aware, ATP, adenosine tri-phosphate(phosphate = phosphorous) is the key energy carrying molecule that our cells rely on, but ATA could equally suffice, but this would change other chemical bits inside, as well, to remain compatible, as in our phosphate loving biochemistry, arsenic is toxic. We have observed the substitution of arsenic here on Earth in bacteria that can survive in extreme environments. But those same bacteria still use carbon.
Fundamentally, those six primary elements make sense not only chemically, but because of how readily available they are. One of life's chief tenets is maximum gain from minimum effort. Our bodies--all life on Earth, is insanely efficient--far more so than anything we have created mechanically. We're essentially portable biochemical reactors harvesting the environment so we can move electrons around to sustain electrochemical reactions, internally, so we can continue to locomote, consume and breed. Life goes even further than internally processes for efficiency, beyond the chemistry and shape of organs, to even creature behavior. Look at insects, for example--how the common house spiders build webs and lie in wait. Rather than hunt their prey actively like a cat, they may wait days before another insect happens upon their web, from which they either suck dry or wrap in web for storage for later when hunger strikes again.
And then we need look no further than our own selves, and our own creations. I don't want to derail this thread nor send to PWEC, but from a life origin standpoint--depending on which side of the fence you stand--creator or abiogenesis(please do NOT debate this here), it makes sense that if one were to create life that can self-sustain and thrive in a galaxy to have it utilize common elements that are widespread and easily accessible, same as life that spontaneously may have formed, to do the same. Look at electronics, from Earth--how silicon is used so widely in the circuitry. Silica makes up 59% of Earth's crust, and is perfectly suited for combining with copper traces for circuitry.
Life often takes the easiest, most efficient, and effective path possible.
If I were to meet and alien someday, I fully expect their biochemistry, at least, to contain elements similar to my own. They might not all be the same, but many of them should be. I love thinking of crystalline based life as we see in Star Trek, but we see how much trouble our own societies go to in order to generate electricity in non-biochemical ways. These efforts are wasteful, often non-sustainable, and counterproductive--not something you'd expect life that can thrive for billions of years to rely upon. The life that does rely on one of those avenues of power generation that _is_ sustainable--plants, algae, etc. through photosynthesis, rely heavily on... hydrogen, carbon, and... oxygen. Funny how they comprise glucose and starch, the chief storages of energy that life relies upon. Hydrogen is essential in the electron transport chain, and you'll notice if you look at the chemical formulae of glucose, sugar and starch(plant sugar), hydrogen is dominant. Also, equally interesting how some of these elements are recycled back into the environment in a sustainable fashion.
Aliens may be alien in their technology, but I don't expect them to be completely alien, otherwise, if they exist and I were to meet one.
#4571551 - 06/11/2110:53 PMRe: UFO footage from USS Russell - declassified
[Re: Mr_Blastman]
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Sorry man...don't see a whole bunch of UFO'ness in that one.
Personally, a "DHS employee", is almost as good a reference as an FBI "sensitive items" specialist.
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#4571559 - 06/12/2112:18 AMRe: UFO footage from USS Russell - declassified
[Re: Mr_Blastman]
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#4571561 - 06/12/2112:37 AMRe: UFO footage from USS Russell - declassified
[Re: Mr_Blastman]
Is our primitive technology that interesting and that amazing that an alien race needs decades to monitor it?
If for the sake of argument we were to assume alien origin ("manned" or not) I could offer one theory: Studying "ancient/primitive" technology they've long ago lost knowledge of. Humans do that too to some degree...
#4571570 - 06/12/2107:20 AMRe: UFO footage from USS Russell - declassified
[Re: Mr_Blastman]
Some trivia, two US Presidents have seen "UFOs", Carter and Reagan.
There was only 16 squadrons of RAF fighters that used 100 octane during the BoB. The Fw190A could not fly with the outer cannon removed. There was no Fw190A-8s flying with the JGs in 1945.
#4571573 - 06/12/2108:14 AMRe: UFO footage from USS Russell - declassified
[Re: Zamzow]
Joined: May 2005 Posts: 9,703Blade_RJ
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Is our primitive technology that interesting and that amazing that an alien race needs decades to monitor it?
If for the sake of argument we were to assume alien origin ("manned" or not) I could offer one theory: Studying "ancient/primitive" technology they've long ago lost knowledge of. Humans do that too to some degree...
or maybe it might be a much simpler answer, that the inteligence life out there is not that inteligent and actually more out there itself
Originally Posted by Nixer
Sorry man...don't see a whole bunch of UFO'ness in that one.
Personally, a "DHS employee", is almost as good a reference as an FBI "sensitive items" specialist.
look we get it, you will never be convinced, dont bother trying to look smarter.
here is a guy who share you line of view. feel confort in that.
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#4571590 - 06/12/2102:47 PMRe: UFO footage from USS Russell - declassified
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#4572732 - 06/25/2111:25 AMRe: UFO footage from USS Russell - declassified
[Re: NoFlyBoy]
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Originally Posted by NoFlyBoy
Remember: Mark Felton has a PhD in History.
Whether the Germans developed or did not develop their own "flying saucer" designs during WWII is really irrelevant to the main debate of this thread which is whether or not intelligent life exists outside of Earth.
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#4572876 - 06/26/2107:53 PMRe: UFO footage from USS Russell - declassified
[Re: Mr_Blastman]