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#4571281 - 06/08/21 06:31 PM Windows 11 (??) Soon  
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Rumor/Leak/Speculation. But, it does seem something big is near. We'll know June 24, it is speculated.

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Windows 11: What We Know About Microsoft’s Likely Next OS

Microsoft is getting ready to announce the biggest update to Windows since Windows 10’s debut in 2015, and even though the company hasn’t officially revealed anything about this update, all signs point to it offering a significantly different experience for PC users. In fact, the update is supposed to be so radical that it could lead to a new version number, Windows 11.

Microsoft plans to reveal Windows 11 — or at least the update everyone has taken to calling Windows 11 — during the “What’s Next for Windows” virtual event on June 24 at 11am ET. The event will be live streamed via the Microsoft website and has been given the designated #MicrosoftEvent hashtag for use on social platforms.


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#4571885 - 06/15/21 09:21 PM Re: Windows 11 (??) Soon [Re: Allen]  
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Rumor/Leak says pre-release test version of W11 has been "outed".

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Microsoft Windows 11 PRO operating system has been leaked ahead of launch

The next Windows is indeed called 11. Screenshots from the early preview have been leaked over the Chinese Tieba Baidu site. The operating system is called Windows 11 Pro and it is based on 21996.1 build.

Microsoft is also integrating its Xbox App into the system itself. It comes with a new modern UI and allows quicker access to Game Pass library.

Microsoft is set to announce its new operating system on June 24th.

One of the presumed screenshots is attached. We'll see.

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#4572031 - 06/17/21 10:42 AM Re: Windows 11 (??) Soon [Re: Allen]  
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Seems W11 is real. Now, speculation on the currently leaked version -- is it the final version -- or a step in development??

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We’ve Tested Windows 11 Ahead of Next Week’s Launch

On June 24, Microsoft will unveil its latest version of Windows, Windows 11. We spent some time with the OS today after a copy leaked online.

We don’t know when Microsoft will release Windows 11 to manufacturers for system shipments, but nothing about the installation implied the [current] release [version] was less than final.

This is not a review. We have not been briefed on Windows 11 or heard Microsoft discuss its features.

For the most part, it feels exactly like running Windows.


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#4572034 - 06/17/21 11:10 AM Re: Windows 11 (??) Soon [Re: Allen]  
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What I am most interested in firstly is the cost. I have 2 systems so that is a major factor for me.

Secondly,what benefits can one expect,say gaming for instance? *probably too early to tell yet*

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#4572052 - 06/17/21 03:47 PM Re: Windows 11 (??) Soon [Re: Chucky]  
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Originally Posted by Chucky
What I am most interested in firstly is the cost. I have 2 systems so that is a major factor for me.

Secondly,what benefits can one expect,say gaming for instance? *probably too early to tell yet*


Regarding benefits, I agree. Some posts on-line indicate, for example, "Why change the interface (which costs time and, sometimes, money to relearn)?"

Regarding cost, I agree -- as I have several PCs around the house (a hobby). There are 3 common Windows versions: Professional, Home, and OEM (Original Equipment Manufacturer Pro and Home). The prices vary dramatically. "We'll see" regarding W11 versions, pricing, and availability. When W10 was released, it was a free upgrade for owners of previous versions -- that would work for me smile


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#4572053 - 06/17/21 04:12 PM Re: Windows 11 (??) Soon [Re: Allen]  
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This is from Monday. I missed it. It corroborates the above posts (i.e. W11 is coming).

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Microsoft Clears Way for Windows 11: Windows 10 Support to End October 14th, 2025

The information comes from Microsoft's own update to Windows 10's support life cycle page, which the company has amended with the final resting date set for October 14th 2025 for both Home and Pro versions of the operating system.


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#4572702 - 06/25/21 12:00 AM Re: Windows 11 (??) Soon [Re: Allen]  
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Today W11 is official. But, not yet released.

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Microsoft Announces Windows 11: New UI, Productivity and Gaming Features

The new OS will begin shipping this holiday season and will start shipping Insider Builds next week. Windows 11 will be a free upgrade for Windows 10 users as long as they hit the minimum system requirements.

"Hundreds of millions of people game on Windows," Bond said, promising the "best PC gaming experience yet."

[Among other things] Windows 11 will use Auto HDR to automatically improve colors and implement high dynamic range to increase fidelity. Over 1,000 games will automatically receive the enhancement on devices that include HDR.


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[THE Catch] TPM 2.0 modules [modules is misleading -- TPM 2.0 may be in firmware on your system] are now required and Windows 10 Home users will be required to have a Microsoft account.


Had to be a "catch". Per the articles, some folks (me, for instance) do not like the idea of a mandatory Microsoft account. It gives Microsoft accesses I may not want them to have.

Moreover, a TPM 2.0 motherboard security module is required (it's hardware). They are not available for all motherboards and they cost ~$35 to ~$50. Long term it might make sense. But, its an added cost -- particularly if one needs to buy a new motherboard to get TPM 2.0.

EDIT: TPM 2.0 modules are NOT required if the TPM function is built into the CPU. My AMD CPU has fTPM (Firmware TPM) built in. Other CPUs may have that also. A recent BIOS may be required.

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#4572706 - 06/25/21 01:05 AM Re: Windows 11 (??) Soon [Re: Allen]  
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DISREGARD THIS: Regarding TPM 2.0 for my systems: Gigabyte Motherboard Accessory GC-TPM2.0_S (TPM 2.0 module) is "out of stock". There are other brands that may work -- but, its not obvious which to buy on a quick read.

Asking prices for the Gigabyte brand are as high as $80 (along with being out of stock). So, maybe I won't be jumping to "free upgrade" W11.

I imagine, if W11 absolutely requires TPM 2.0, motherboards will start to be built with TPM 2.0 (or newer) circuits on the motherboard by default. The circuit looks like a $5 item, at most. So, I should wait for the new AMD CPUs and the associated new motherboards. confused

Another issue: In some cases, if one uses TPM 2.0 incorrectly, one could lose all their saved data. Maybe W11 guards against that somehow. duh

EDIT: I was incorrect about my motherboard. I do not need to buy "Hardware TPM" because TPM is already supported in "Firmware TPM". One can "turn on" the Firmware TPM in BIOS.

Buying the hardware is an option and it gives better protection -- BUT, W11 does not require the hardware if the support is built into the motherboard firmware.

See below

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#4572775 - 06/25/21 05:21 PM Re: Windows 11 (??) Soon [Re: Allen]  
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I was incorrect about my CPU/motherboard combination. I do not need to buy "Hardware TPM" because TPM is already supported by "Firmware TPM". On my motherboard one can "turn on" the Firmware TPM in BIOS. That is probably true for many other recent motherboards -- although one poster wrote that he had to install the latest BIOS to get his Firmware TPM (on my Make/Model MB) to be active and pass the W11 test.

Buying the TPM 2.0 module hardware is an option (there is a connector for it on the MB) and it gives better protection -- BUT, W11 does not require the hardware if the support is built into the motherboard AMD firmware.

My mistake: The article said a TPM 2.0 module was needed (it wasn't). I knew there was a BIOS "on/off" switch for TPM. But, the empty TPM connector (plus the article) fooled me into thinking I needed a TPM 2.0 module to plug in for the BIOS switch to work. I didn't. I like to catch those errors before I make them. Stupid me sigh


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I just downloaded and ran the PC Health Check Tool - (checks whether your PC or laptop will run Win 11) https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/windows-11?utm_source=technave

My 8 year old MSI laptop will not run Win 11 because it doesn't support secure boot.

Also, it's reporting that my desktop CPU won't allow me to run Win 11,it's an i5-6600.

So basically people with older hardware can go suck a dic*.

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#4572821 - 06/25/21 11:33 PM Re: Windows 11 (??) Soon [Re: Allen]  
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Chucky: Thanks for the link to the tool. I had not downloaded it. /Allen

I ran the W11 tool WITHOUT activating fTPM in BIOS -- the tool said my system did NOT support W11.

Then, I activated fTPM in the BIOS. The tool said my system is ready for the free W11 copy.

I'm not happy that W11 will not activate on all W10 PCs/Laptops. The reason for non activation (TPM 2.0) seems peripheral to many folks use of their PC/Laptop. TPM is not a mainstream function but W11 claims to be THE mainstream OS. THE MAINSTREAM OS installation should not be hampered by something most people do not need.



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#4572847 - 06/26/21 09:23 AM Re: Windows 11 (??) Soon [Re: Allen]  
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Maybe M$ will take note of the feedback. TPM is something new to me,I'd never heard of it before.

I'd be very interested in what percentage of machines have failed the health tool check. I suspect that M$ may already know,I'm sure that tool of theirs is reporting home.


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#4572851 - 06/26/21 11:48 AM Re: Windows 11 (??) Soon [Re: Allen]  
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I think we're in the wait and see mode now. As I noted, TPM may be an advantage in the future. But, it seems it could have been "optional".

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Shut Out of Windows 11: TPM Requirement Excludes Many PCs

Even some three year old computers may not be able to run the OS.

Traditionally, we think of Windows as the operating system for the masses and that each new version is a no-brainer upgrade, even for those with older PCs.... Windows 10 grew this fast because there was absolutely no reason not to upgrade. It works on every PC that runs Windows 7 or 8, it’s free (see how to get Windows 10 for free or cheap) and it has a slew of new features.

But Windows 11 changes all that, leaving a significant number of Windows 10 computers -- even high-end workstations from just three years ago -- out in the cold

In a blog post today, Microsoft explained its rationale for the TPM requirement saying:

“PCs of the future need this modern hardware root-of-trust to help protect from both common and sophisticated attacks like ransomware and more sophisticated attacks from nation-states. Requiring the TPM 2.0 elevates the standard for hardware security by requiring that built-in root-of-trust.”


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#4572868 - 06/26/21 05:52 PM Re: Windows 11 (??) Soon [Re: Allen]  
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Unverified rumor regarding "required" Microsoft Account. Unverified, but, it indicates we're in a "wait and see" mode -- until MS makes an official statement or the "release" version of W11 becomes available.

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The issue [a required MS account] is apparently only for Home, Pro version allows a local account by default.

If you use Alt-F4 at the account creation prompt on Home, it will allow you to create a local account. I hope they don't fix this.

I noted the above in a couple places.


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#4572882 - 06/26/21 09:13 PM Re: Windows 11 (??) Soon [Re: Allen]  
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FWIW: A picture of a PC "passing" the TPM test. My PC can run W11 -- it says. Its the setup listed in my signature with latest BIOS installed.

I use fTPM built into the CPU and Motherboard (not a plug-in hardware module). Took me a day to figure out it was a "built in" feature (an on-line note indicated a BIOS update could be needed for my motherboard).

Hopefully, some of you will find a BIOS update can fix things. Others may find their motherboard has the connector for a TPM 2.0 hardware module. The empty TPM connector on my motherboard is labled "TPM" (its empty because the system already has Firmware TPM built into the CPU/BIOS).

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Well I found out today Win 11 is requiring the TPM Module. what I found out is some Ryzen CPU have it built in or in the motherboards, altho not as secure as an TPM Module. I know my ASRock has the TPM Port in the motherboard but I need to get a TPM module. Funny as I was thinking of getting the preview version of Win 11 just to check it out but without the module I am not going to bother..

I did see a website where they where replacing a file with an older Win 10 file in the win 11 ISO so they don't need the TPM Module in their PC somehow.. I should have bookmarked it as I wanted to buy a TPM Module today and they are either super expensive or not in stock.. frown

I sure hope M$ makes the TPM Module optional..

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Information keeps getting posted/updated:

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Windows 11 Causes TPM Shortages, Scalping

Windows 11 is Microsoft's first operating system to require a TPM, or Trusted Platform Module, sending frantic would-be upgraders to online retailers in search of hardware modules.

TPMs that sold for $15 are now as high as $100 through eBay.

The TPM market has largely imploded overnight, with nearly all modules being completely out of stock

The good news is that the physical module will be optional on most systems, thanks to all modern Intel and AMD CPUs featuring a firmware-based TPM that operates inside the chips' trusted execution environment. If you have a motherboard that supports CPU-based TPM, you can turn it on via the UEFI/BIOS.


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Originally Posted by The Nephilim
I know my ASRock has the TPM Port in the motherboard


Based on the post just above this one, modern Intel CPUs feature fTPM (Firmware TPM) and do not need a module. BUT, you may need a BIOS update that makes the fTPM switch "visible". My MB needed that -- and it also had an empty socket.


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I know my ASRock has the TPM Port in the motherboard


Based on the post just above this one, modern Intel CPUs feature fTPM (Firmware TPM) and do not need a module. BUT, you may need a BIOS update that makes the fTPM switch "visible". My MB needed that.



Hmm OK I will check but I read and thought only the AMD's had that..


EDIT: I checked my BIOS again under trusted computing and enabled that and Voila I am Win 11 Ready wink


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TPM is the "talk of the town" today:

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Microsoft has published a list of minimum CPUs required to run Windows 11 on AMD and Intel CPUs. Here’s a quick rundown of the respective situations:

Intel: No Core CPUs prior to Coffee Lake are currently listed as supported as of 4:30 PM EST on 6/25. This includes all 6th Gen and 7th Gen CPUs. I feel genuinely bad for anyone who bought a Core i7-7700K. No Intel HEDT CPUs prior to Cascade Lake are supported.

AMD: Windows 11 is currently not compatible with any Bulldozer-era CPU. It does not appear to be compatible with first-generation Threadripper systems. The 2400G and 2200G are not supported, although the 3400G and 3200G are. The Ryzen 1700X, 1800X, and all related CPUs are unsupported.


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#4572895 - 06/26/21 10:21 PM Re: Windows 11 (??) Soon [Re: Allen]  
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My apologies for causing you to post everything twice Allen.


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#4572900 - 06/26/21 10:36 PM Re: Windows 11 (??) Soon [Re: Allen]  
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I could see there were two sets of SimHQ eyes on the issue -- thanks to you (a good thing). smile

So, I figured I'd just cut and paste copy things so both sets of eyes could see the information. I don't think I'm an expert -- I've just been reading a lot about W11 lately. I'm trying to "save time" for some SimHQ folks by posting the interesting stuff.

The information is so fluid that I really think we'll have to wait for non-speculative clarification. At some point, someone may post an article that clearly states/lists what devices are supported. And, Microsoft may even publish additional clarification. We'll see.

When I started this thread, I did not imagine W11 would become so controversial. I figured it would be an easy upgrade for everyone.


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A minor restatement of the TPM situation -- that adds a bit of information:

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Windows 11 to Ship Without TPM Requirement for 'Special Purpose' Systems

[Microsoft] will allow some systems to ship without the feature enabled. Unfortunately, normal users probably won't have access .. special builds are likely tailored for use in countries that don't use Western encryption technologies, like China and Russia.

Windows 11 requires either a physical TPM key, .. or support for fTPM, excluding a large swath of relatively modern systems

[Microsoft] clarified that Windows 11 would only support the newer [TPM] 2.0 revision [TPM 1.2 does not work].

Enterprising enthusiasts are already finding workarounds to install Windows 11 on systems without TPM support... Still, it is unclear if those techniques will work on shipping versions of the ISO.

A little more info in the attachment (red outline).

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W11 advertises "better gaming". But, there seems to be a catch or two.

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Microsoft's ambitious DirectStorage API, which attempts to solve the storage bottleneck in games, facilitating faster game load times, has been walled off from Windows 10. To use it, games now require the new Windows 11 operating system, and a GPU that supports the DirectX 12 Ultimate API. This limits the GPU choices to NVIDIA's GeForce RTX 20-series, RTX 30-series, and AMD's Radeon RX 6000 series.

The other hardware requirement intrinsic to DirectStorage is for you to use an NVMe SSD that uses Microsoft's "Standard NVM Express Controller" driver that's included with Windows. Another hardware requirement that's baffling is that the SSD should be at least 1 TB in capacity.


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Windows 11 is due out this year, but the free update for Windows 10 arrives in 2022

We are still learning new bits of info about Windows 11, and that will likely be the case right up until it begins rolling out to PCs in a few months.

[When W11 is first released] There will still be the option to perform a clean install, and presuming you own a valid Windows 10 license, the same key should activate Windows 11.

If you are not wanting to perform a clean install [i.e. you merely want to "update" your existing W10 install], however, you will have to wait a little bit longer.

[Microsoft comment] " Windows 11 is due out later in 2021 and will be delivered over several months. The rollout of the upgrade to Windows 10 devices already in use today will begin in 2022 through the first half of that year."

So, the W11 news (positive and negative) may not affect a lot of us until "next year".


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People upset that the Health Check App we've used the last couple days causes confusion and hopelessness. smile

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"The intention of today’s post is to acknowledge and clarify the confusion caused by our PC Health Check tool, share more details as to why we updated the system requirements for Windows 11 and set the path for how we will learn and adjust," Microsoft writes in today's blog post.

As many have noted: Its not over or settled yet.


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#4573252 - 06/30/21 10:35 AM Re: Windows 11 (??) Soon [Re: Allen]  
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Regarding W11 compatibility: For what its worth -- my test results with my recent technology AMD CPUs:

All my recent AMD motherboards will run W11. 370 series, 470 series, 550 series, 570 series.

My AMD R5-1600 & R7-1800 CPU do NOT run it.

My R7-2700, R5-3600, R7-3800X, R7-5800X CPUs run W11. I imagine my former R5-5600X on a 550 motherboard would have run it -- but, I've given that system away.

Those results are consistent with recent articles and Microsoft guidance regarding "what works" and what "doesn't work".


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I notice that you can now try Win 11 via the insider option. I thought I'd give it a try but no joy,exactly what I expected.


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I have a question about moving up to Win 11 if I decide to.I have an HP machine I bought in April and the product ID is a factory installed OEM Win 10 version.I seem to remember my previous machine M$ wouldn't accept the Win 7 Product ID because it was a factory installed OS.Can a factory installed HP OS from HP be updated to Win 11?? I'm not sure if I will upgrade maybe after a year or so but heck I'm 72 why even bother ??


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Originally Posted by rwatson
I have a question about moving up to Win 11 if I decide to.I have an HP machine I bought in April and the product ID is a factory installed OEM Win 10 version.I seem to remember my previous machine M$ wouldn't accept the Win 7 Product ID because it was a factory installed OS.Can a factory installed HP OS from HP be updated to Win 11?? I'm not sure if I will upgrade maybe after a year or so but heck I'm 72 why even bother ??


I've used OEM PIDs for Windows 7 to install/activate Windows 10, so it does work - though I'm not sure honestly about your specific HP license. One thing to consider: If the HP license was for a different Windows type, then it wouldn't work. For example, if your HP used W7 Home, you couldn't use that PID to activate W10 Pro. Same goes for 32 vs 64 bit versions.

As to whether you should move to W11, I wouldn't - but what they do is force you, by getting to the developers writing code...for example, MSFS 2020 requires W10 (surprise lol). So, unless you're forced, I'd stay put. Windows keeps changing for one reason and one reason only: To make money for Microsoft. Yeah, sure, it was "free"...but anyone with any sense knows better than 'free' in this world. It's 'free' in the same way a heroin dealer often gives out 'free' dope to get people hooked. "Free" like TV and radio are free...(commercials)...I could go on and on...

The problem is people who are too misinformed or just plain lazy to wrap their heads around what they're sacrificing for "free"...they clamor for all this shovel-ware horse dung and line up like lemmings every time another technology producer releases another supposedly 'free' gizmo or app. Often, the people themselves are the commodity that's being marketed....the old saying is that "If you're not paying for the product, then you are the product".

Anyway best of luck smile

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Originally Posted by rwatson
I have a question about moving up to Win 11 if I decide to.I have an HP machine I bought in April and the product ID is a factory installed OEM Win 10 version.I seem to remember my previous machine M$ wouldn't accept the Win 7 Product ID because it was a factory installed OS.Can a factory installed HP OS from HP be updated to Win 11?? I'm not sure if I will upgrade maybe after a year or so but heck I'm 72 why even bother ??

I build PCs for fun (7 operational in the house today -- and a few retired ones in the basement). I've used Vista, W7, W8, W10. Here's a FWIW:

Starting with W7, rather than buying a "full price copy", I bought OEM license keys -- presumably like the ones used on prebuilts (like HP).

Reason, cost. OEM keys are cheap -- but, they only apply to one machine.

Those OEM keys allowed the free upgrade (from W7 and W8) to W10 on the same machine. You can change the CPU or the GPU and its still the "same machine". However, change the Motherboard and you need a new key.

I also have used W10 OEM keys for current W10 builds. When I recently checked using Microsoft software, it said those machines (with W10 OEM installed) would get the free W11 upgrade (providing I don't change the Motherboard). However, one does need an up to date system (made in the last 3 years or so) for W11.

Meantime: Should you move to W11? That's not necessary for a few years. One can wait until they make a piece of software one wants that only runs on W11. Moreover, wait until it releases next year and check out the new interface and "teething" issues (reading on-line) -- you may like it -- or not.

A consideration: At 72, if you have no serious health issues today, you're likely to last to late 80s and have a 50/50 chance to hit 90 (they say). Hopefully, you are "on that boat". So, you'll have to procure at least one or two new Computers along the way smile


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Thanks Allen any change to Win 11 will be a couple years away if ever.Things are running well now so no worries been doing the dance since the Dos days and kind of tired of changing over every few years.I will keep an eye on it and see how it works.


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I just got on W10 this year (in Feb) - after finally building a completely new PC for the first time since 2010. I think I'll wait to jump to W11. wink


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#4575741 - 07/28/21 08:53 PM Re: Windows 11 (??) Soon [Re: Allen]  
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Windows 10 Home and Professional OEM keys are selling at low prices now -- under $10 in some cases. One can also get cheap keys for full W10 versions that can be used on multiple computers one owns.

So, if one actually needs a working Key to upgrade or to build a new system, now could be a propitious time to buy (though OEM are usually under $20 at regular price -- so $9 is not a big deal in absolute terms).

Thing is I've found that if one "saves" an unused key for a few months, it sometimes doesn't work. So, buy it and use it soon. The legitimate dealers will replace a bad key -- if you get to them soon enough.

I assume since W11 will shortly replace W10, Key prices will remain low -- sellers have to get rid of their stock while W10 still matters.


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Microsoft Releases First Windows 11 Beta Build

The latest version of the upcoming OS, build 22000.100 has moved from the dev channel to beta — the first Windows 11 build to earn such a distinction.

Apparently, Microsoft feels that this version of Windows 11 has proven itself good enough to get a promotion to beta.

However, don’t expect this beta to be ready for prime time. For one, it won’t have the recently added Microsoft Teams integration.

There are also still some visual glitches, and Windows Hello is reportedly broken on many devices.

Windows 11 development moves forward. But, its not ready for people yet.


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Assembled a high quality HDTV PC using new AMD R5 5600G APU, u-ATX MB, and very good sale-priced components. In a nutshell: Does TV and the APU plays Grim Dawn at 2K (1440p) with mostly ultra settings at 50+ FPS -- usually limits out the 60FPS 2K monitor (100% Max settings was around 30+). In my limited tests, the R5 5600G comes across as an excellent gaming CPU with decent entry-level gaming graphics -- for $259 plus tax.

More relevant to this thread: Needed a new copy of Windows 10 pro. Downloaded it from Microsoft. Bought the key from my favorite supplier (scdKey.com) for a good low price (not necessarily the lowest on-line). The install and activation was painless.

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Microsoft to allow Windows 11 to be installed on older PCs through ISOs, but they might not get updates

According to The Verge, Microsoft is now leaning towards allowing millions of consumer and corporate PCs to be upgraded to Windows 11, despite previously announced hardware limitations.

The Windows 11 will now require a 64-bit processor with at least a 1 GHz clock rate, 4GB of RAM, and 64GB of storage.

this method of bypassing those restrictions will only apply to manually installing Windows through ISO, rather than an upgrade through the Windows Update tool.

Ryzen 1000 series will not be included in the official support list


We'll see if W11 will actually provide significant (to the everyday user) advantages on older hardware.


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Oh, dear God, please...

I *so* hope these yo-yos change their policy about older hardware.

Thanks, Allen, for the leg work to keep us posted smile BTW would you happen to have a link for that info? Thanks! (I could hunt for it, just being lazy ATM lol)

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I go through 7 or more sites a day. Just quickly looking for new stuff. The information I post may only be on one of them.

The one that provides the best summaries in easy to find updates on the left edge ("Timeline") of the page is:

https://videocardz.com/

If you check the "Timeline" column today, you'll see where I "copy/pasted" from yesterday.

Typically, I ignore (for posting here) things that add no verified new information. Lots of speculative articles are not worth the time of "normal" folks -- only worth reading for guys with time on their hands (me) smile


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Thanks smile

Yeah...I was not really encouraged much reading more about what Microsoft has said now (or not said, as it were) concerning older CPUs and W11. It looks like now the story is "Well, ok, we'll allow the installation...but we're not going to support it with updates."

WTF? I mean, I get that updates cost money and more so over a larger installed platform base...but what the hell is the point in saying the older CPUs will now work but won't be supported in updates? If someone didn't care about updates, then they'd likely just keep running Windows 10 after it's support ends...ever since XP changed to 7, they've been basically forcing people to update because of 'security'. I really don't think Windows has improved so much in successive versions that it would be worth changing - if not for updates. If you can't get updates (not just security, but features and in some cases, device/mode support), realistically, there just doesn't seem much point in changing Windows versions - to me.

For example, I ran W 8.1 for a long time - but I actually only changed from W7 for basically one reason: Native UASP USB support. 8 did it natively, 7 only did it if individual manufacturers supported it (and even then, not very well). So, because I do a lot of work with large external volumes (drive images), I ultimately decided screw it, I'll just use W8. If it hadn't been for that, I'd have been running W7 right up until a couple months ago (when I changed my entire machine and - of course - W10 is necessary since I want to run MS FlightSim 2020).

*sigh* I guess we'll see.

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FYI, AYOR: Found these reddit threads per Win11

https://www.reddit.com/r/Windows11/comments/p0er4c/important_announcements_links_fixes_and_faq/

https://www.reddit.com/r/Windows11/comments/oat2qp/isoguide_how_to_install_the_windows_11_insider/

I'm only interested since I may have to put together a Windows machine (..yuk!) in the future for my nephew for school really, otherwise I use Linux Mint exclusively.

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Microsoft Windows 11 launches on October 5

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Today, we are thrilled to announce Windows 11 will start to become available on October 5, 2021. On this day, the free upgrade to Windows 11 will begin rolling out to eligible Windows 10 PCs and PCs that come pre-loaded with Windows 11 will start to become available for purchase.

new eligible devices will be offered the upgrade first. The upgrade will then roll out over time to in-market devices based on intelligence models that consider hardware eligibility, reliability metrics, age of device and other factors that impact the upgrade experience. We expect all eligible devices to be offered the free upgrade to Windows 11 by mid-2022.

The forgoing applies primarily to "automatic upgrades" of operational systems.

I assume that on October 5, W11 will be available to anyone who is willing to download a copy, do the install themselves, and take their chances. We'll see.

I'll try it on one of my "spare" PCs first. As usual, for me, a "clean install" to avoid the "extras" that come automatically.

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#4578922 - 09/02/21 02:54 PM Re: Windows 11 (??) Soon [Re: Allen]  
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Windows 11 testers seem to be doing just fine with unsupported hardware

Given the surprisingly stringent supported CPU list and uninformative PC Health Check tool, it was inevitable that people would sign up for the Windows 11 Insider program and install the OS on unapproved hardware. And what do you know: It's seemingly been going just fine. If you do a few registry edits to bypass the system requirement checks while installing Windows 11 Insider, you can use a far older CPU—even as old as a 2008 Intel Core 2 Duo!

the fact that those testers have been able to use the OS without significant problems proves that the "minimum requirements" aren't about performance at all. So what are they about? Security? Maybe


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#4578985 - 09/03/21 01:06 PM Re: Windows 11 (??) Soon [Re: Allen]  
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As far as the Windows 11 thing goes - yes, security is part of it. But not all. There are often updates - not just third party stuff Microsoft redistributes through their update servers, either (like driver updates). At times, there have been updates to the actual OS code - which only Microsoft can provide/distribute - and these updates have either added or corrected features in the OS.

A good example is the UASP support I described earlier. It wasn't present in W7, but Microsoft added it in W8. Now, there's no technical reason they couldn't have added it to 7, as evidenced by the fact that USB hardware manufacturers could include it in their drivers if they chose to do so. But the OS itself didn't have 'built-in' support for UASP until 8. This means that whether you got UASP support or not was dependent on which motherboard you had (and therefore, which USB chipset)...but what happens if there is no motherboard manufactured that includes both the desired USB chipset and other features you might want (say, mutli-GPU support for both SLI and Crossfire)? You'd be forced - as I was - to "upgrade" to W8, or do without a feature you wanted. I don't think I have to say that W8 wasn't considered much of an 'upgrade' over W7...and if it hadn't been for UASP, I'd have stayed on 7.

Point here is that updates don't have to be about only security in order to be a deciding factor in choice of OS.

And yes, in addition, you have the security concerns. I build PCs for others outside my family; I have done it in one capacity or another for >35 years. I can tell you first hand that (for a number of reasons, all valid) that some clients/end users cannot accept an OS that will not provide security updates.

There are two very straightforward reasons Microsoft is doing this, IMHO: Money and Liability. I'm not even saying these aren't legitimate business considerations - but how they are handled doesn't necessarily have to be at the expense of the end user (be it money outright, or loss of compatibility, or lack of updates....whatever).

And, FWIW, I'm pretty sure the hardware manufacturers aren't too unhappy that people will now have to constantly buy new hardware, even though the stuff often runs for many, many years longer than the two years or so before Microsoft decide to yank 'support' on the OS. It was one thing in the past when it was just going to cost you a new OS license. But now? It'll cost you an enitrely new system - potentially hundreds (thousands??) more than an OS alone would've.

Not enough that "Windows as a Service" has become a 'bag over the head, kick in the pants' proposition it has...now they (Microsoft) are forcing hardware to be the same way.

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#4579550 - 09/09/21 01:23 PM Re: Windows 11 (??) Soon [Re: Allen]  
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Windows 11 will be faster thanks to CPU, memory and storage optimizations

The Microsoft Windows 11 will make your PC faster thanks to various optimizations

The new UI and snappier animations are just part of the features that will make Windows 11 a worthy upgrade over Windows 10. The company still has a lot of work though

Windows 11 [will] save on average 32% of memory and 37% of CPU usage

Microsoft Windows 11 [still] launches on October 5th as a free upgrade to [some] Windows 10 users [depending on CPU in use].


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#4580697 - 09/21/21 04:45 AM Re: Windows 11 (??) Soon [Re: Allen]  
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Windows 11 = Windows 8 (8.1)

Avoid it. it offers nothing that Windows 10 can't already do performance wise.


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#4580709 - 09/21/21 12:20 PM Re: Windows 11 (??) Soon [Re: Allen]  
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And 10 did not offer anything Windows 7 was already able to do, except the whole smartphone crap yep

Even things like the latest DirectX and other real "advantages" would be able to run in Windows 7 if MS would allow it. But they don't have any reason to do so, cause many users cry for more restriction for the reason to have a so called "more user friendly and secure system".

The last real good and userfriendly Windows was 7. The rest is the same BS under the hood with a lot of extra restrictions, the artificial need for new drivers and hardware to stimulate the sale of the same and the painful update enforcement.

Things like running games without the use of the original CD's to keep them save in the box (with Daemon Tools or anything else) or even original CD/DVD's with copy protection aren't useable anymore since Windows 10. So if you still like your old games, and don't want to throw them away (like many of the childish W10 fan boys told you) you have to make a dual boot with W7 or create an extra W7 machine, if the new hardware doesn't support W7 drivers.

Nothing really has advanced under the hood since W7. Only some needless gadgets (apps) where added, an ugly as hell GUI and the update enforcement, which mostly will destroy more things as the whole sh... will do for your security. Windows 11 will only be another much more restriced system that will lead you by the nose. That's all!

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#4581826 - 10/04/21 09:26 PM Re: Windows 11 (??) Soon [Re: Allen]  
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Windows 11 Is Here! Direct Download Official Windows 11 ISO Files (64-bit Only)


The article provides a link that directly provides you with Windows 11 64b .iso file. You can do a clean install, they say.

I got mine. Now, to decide which PC I want to risk with a "trial run" -- definitely not my primary PC.

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#4581842 - 10/05/21 02:27 AM Re: Windows 11 (??) Soon [Re: Allen]  
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The W11 clean install went easily using my AMD R5 3600 CPU on a 470 gaming motherboard.

The installation steps and screens were functionally identical to a W10 clean install -- with slightly different graphics.

The basic desktop/home screen looks different. But, does not seem better than the W10 version.

I've only spent a few minutes with it. There was a hiccup when I tried to install the AMD RX Vega 64 GPU driver (which was new/special for W11).

I've shut it down for the night to watch the NFL Monday Night Football.


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#4581855 - 10/05/21 11:20 AM Re: Windows 11 (??) Soon [Re: Allen]  
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All in all, completing the "W11 Professional" install went well this morning.

The Home version was said to "force" some things on the user that the Professional edition does not force. So, I use Professional.

The AMD graphics driver works. Several of my favorite programs installed and ran as normal. Steam and 3D Mark work.

The main difference is the desktop interface -- where to click to get what to happen. Its not hard, just different choices to learn/make.

I'll leave it up to the Pundits to say if things are better or worse -- and what the performance difference is.

I'm NOT putting it on my main PC (in the signature below), yet. I want to see if W11 starts to force apps, advertising, etc.


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#4581860 - 10/05/21 12:11 PM Re: Windows 11 (??) Soon [Re: Allen]  
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A Pundit's Summary (that fits with what I've noticed):

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Bottom Line: Should I Upgrade to Windows 11?

If you're happy on Windows 10, Windows 11 doesn't feel like a must-have upgrade right now, especially if you're a desktop power user. If you're buying a new machine, you won't have much of a choice for long.

For every sleek, redesigned aspect and for every quality-of-life improvement, there's a step back. The changes to the taskbar and context menus are particularly egregious, reducing productivity at the worst of times.

I absolutely see the desire to streamline cruft in Windows 10, but in these areas, Microsoft is doing so at the expense of some long-time power users. Only those who use touch a lot, will benefit a ton from the initial launch.

If you're not a power user, you probably won't notice a ton of difference and may like the refreshing new design. But Windows' biggest fans are power users, so hopefully Microsoft is working on making sure they still feel at home.


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#4581867 - 10/05/21 12:47 PM Re: Windows 11 (??) Soon [Re: Allen]  
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By the way, you can move the Task Bar items to the left (once you learn what sequence to click). So, you can get the W11 Desktop to look and function much like W10.


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#4582104 - 10/07/21 07:06 AM Re: Windows 11 (??) Soon [Re: Allen]  
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Well I won't be installing Win11 on any of these old machines due to the hardware requirements. And it is not free anyway.
And also I don't think it is intuitive to learn anyway.


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you're preaching to the choir.
I have no desire for a Windows system. I have everything I need on a Linux system.
Including latest security updates, free software and more power than anyone knows what to do with.

See DistroWatch for just some of the many distribution versions (aka Distros) of Linux and their special configurations, capabilities, etc.

That said, FYI,

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#4582383 - 10/11/21 08:49 AM Re: Windows 11 (??) Soon [Re: Allen]  
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Linux is really good, but not for gamers or simmers.

That's the problem. I hope this will change somewhere in future but at the moment you are very restricted if you want to use your PC for this kind of entertainment, too.

I have no problems with Windows at all, but I hate the way they go since Windows 10. Windows is mostly an entertainment system (what would be if no one would be gaming - I think we even had no Windows anymore) and sometimes you have to have the possibilities to change things to get stuff running or better running.

This never was a problem until Windows 10 with it's self defense options and it's forced updates appeared. And with Windows 11 they will make it much more restricted and nearly impossible to configure the way like an advanced user would like to do.

If I need security I use a Linux or better said a UNIX based system, but if I want to do some gaming I go with Windows and in this case it has to be more open to be better configurable.

The way it is now, there will be no more difference between a gaming console and a Windows PC in future. You can't do anything you want, cause all is restricted. Simply press the "ON"-button and start your software. Nice for people who don't want to learn anything about a PC, but where is the sense in using a PC anymore?

I think if someone want's to use a computer he has to learn something about it. If he has no interest in, just go with the console or smartphone cr...

But that's only my two cents.


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#4582387 - 10/11/21 11:00 AM Re: Windows 11 (??) Soon [Re: Allen]  
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I haven't manually used Windows Update for a few days. I checked updates today to see if they might have W11 information.

They did (attachment). And the message noted that W11 still does not run all the "software" W10 runs.

The good news was that its still optional -- not yet pushing it onto devices like my "main PC".

My experiment with a "non-main PC" established I can set up the "desktop" to look like I want (like W10) and run my Software and Games (that I tried running).

Knowing me, I'll go to W11 Pro when its truly ready. But, it may not be everyone's "cup of tea".

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#%&*$# Windows 11. Screwed around in my BIOS for a couple hours today. Stick your TPM and secure boot up your ass Microsoft.

TPM sets no problem. But when I set my PC to boot EUFI mode only, it just boots to bios. I only have 1 M.2 SSD installed.

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I been running it for about two weeks. Not much different than Windows 10 really. Got installed on my laptop too. Driver support is the biggest thing now. AMD laptop network wifi adapter stopped working till I found a new Win 11 driver for it. My 5900x has firmware TPM as does my 4900U laptop.

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Windows 11 causes some games to run slightly slower ("measurable" but not "visible" to most folks) on some AMD CPUs.

That's a Windows 11 problem -- its interfering with the CPU's normal operation. It's only one of many issues to be resolved for W11.

AMD and Microsoft have a "team" working on a solution to come in a W11 update. It should be fixed relatively soon.

Meanwhile, Microsoft W11 release plans imply that W11 may not be completely ready until Spring 2022.


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New Patches Resolve AMD Issues in Windows 11

While some programs were unaffected, AMD’s guidance suggested a 3-5 percent penalty on average with an even higher penalty being possible “in some games.”

According to AMD, those issues should now be resolved with the availability of Microsoft KB 5006476 and AMD chipset driver 3.10.08.506. That Windows 11 update contains a number of bug fixes and quality of life improvements

Multiple reviews pointed out at launch that the OS seemed a bit unfinished, and many of the bug fixes Microsoft has announced in this update should address that complaint.

The OS isn’t a must-have item at this time, and it isn’t crazy to watch and see if any further issues appear before pulling the trigger on an upgrade.


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#4583388 - 10/23/21 09:57 AM Re: Windows 11 (??) Soon [Re: Allen]  
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I hope this is not going to be like Windows 8. One of the worst purchase of my life.

A useless operation system, not effective, very expensive and quickly replaced by Windows 10 making its pruchase only a bit waste of time and money

We will see this Windows 11


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#4583874 - 10/29/21 11:54 AM Re: Windows 11 (??) Soon [Re: Allen]  
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To prepare us for W11:

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Microsoft Is Pushing the PC Health Check App to Windows 10 Machines

Don’t want it? Tough, you’re getting the Microsoft PC Health Check app regardless of whether or not you’ve expressed interest in Windows 11.

Ostensibly, the Health Check app tells you about the status of your PC, links to important settings, and helps you plan your upgrade to Windows 11.

Once it’s installed, you can’t even roll back the change. You can uninstall the app, but it will come back.


I already have an earlier version installed. No big deal.

I'll move to W11 when its development is complete (probably not until next year). When completed, it should make a gaming PC faster and have more security than W10.


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#4583877 - 10/29/21 12:29 PM Re: Windows 11 (??) Soon [Re: Allen]  
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Originally Posted by Allen
When completed, it should make a gaming PC faster and have more security than W10.


Sounds nice (and this isn't directed at you, of course), but it's the same BS blather that Microsoft claims every time they get ready to cram another OS down our throats. I've been involved in the computer industry professionally for almost 40 years now, and this happens every time - and it's always (always) far (far) from reality. If you look "under the hood" Windows has many of the exact same components that it did in W7. They slap on some new (often hideous) cosmetic changes - redefining 'lipstick on a pig' IMHO - and push everyone an(other) incremental step toward charging us all a monthly fee for the privilege of using their POS Operating System.

B@stards.

Skeptical? Simple, just ask yourself: If this were such a great idea (for anyone *other* than Microsoft), then why would they have to keep forcing it on everyone? Why's it always free these days? (Bonus: Anyone remember the 'browser wars' of the mid-late 1990s, when MS finally made IE free? Most people are either too young to remember, or didn't/don't know enough about computers to realize the significance of these events.)

The lemmings that just toe the line and swallow...are to blame for this.

Don't get me started...oh, wait...too late.

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#4583878 - 10/29/21 12:43 PM Re: Windows 11 (??) Soon [Re: kksnowbear]  
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Originally Posted by kksnowbear
Don't get me started...oh, wait...too late.


A not unreasonable viewpoint. smile

Right now the "claim" is that W11 will improve some things. But, I expect the improvements to be small. Like you wrote, not that much actually changes "under the hood".

Since its free (or cheap if one buys a key), and will be the new standard (warts and all), I'll go with the new Windows Version -- I always have. But, that's me. I'm definitely not "selling W11" to SimHQ folks.


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Of course you're not - and I apologize if it sounds like I'm saying you are.

Just my own personal perspective.

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11 Worst Features of Windows 11 and How to Fix Them

Windows 11 is a mixed bag. On the one hand, many people would be happier sticking with Windows 10. On the other hand, there are some solid reasons to upgrade to Windows 11 right now, including better window snapping options, more control over virtual desktops and fresh design flourishes such as rounded corners on windows.

If you choose to move to Windows 11, whether via upgrade or clean install, you'll notice several significant annoyances,


A fairly long article details "11 annoyances" that affect the look, feel, and usefulness of the Desktop. Some make the Desktop less efficient -- e.g. you need more clicks to do some obvious things.

It also gives fixes. However, some of those require Registry hacks (so, not ideal solutions).

Ideally, W11 would have a simple one-click "W10 switch" that would give you all the W10 desktop features in place of the W11 features.

Link: Fixing Annoying Windows Desktop "Features"


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I bought a couple W10 Pro Keys today. I noticed W11 Pro Keys are on sale. They cost more than W10 Pro keys. Both are easily afforded.

I got W10 Pro keys because they can free-upgrade to W11Pro -- and I wanted to start with W10 Pro on a new PC I built yesterday.

The "Pro" OS has fewer restrictions and requirements to meet than the "Home" OS so the Pro Key is worth the few extra $.

I plan to free-upgrade my PCs to W11 Pro when W11 Pro is a "finished product".


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This one sounds very bad for "personal freedom to choose".

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Microsoft Enables Edge Sync By Default, Hoovering Up Your Data in the Process

When I launched Edge this morning, I was surprised to see a message informing me that Sync was now enabled and my data was being uploaded to the cloud, to be shared with other PCs where I was also logged in.

“I received email from two people who told me that Microsoft Edge enabled synching without warning or consent, which means that Microsoft sucked up all of their bookmarks. Of course they can turn synching off, but it’s too late.”

The company recently admitted that its decision to prevent end users from changing their browsers in Windows 11 via EdgeDetector is a deliberate crackdown on choice that the company does not intend to roll back.


A good reason to stick with W10 -- if that solves this problem. Also, W11 Pro is said to give the user more control over things like this because its used by some companies for virtually all their desktops.

Competition is good for consumers, but will not be permitted by Microsoft?? Another, "we'll see".


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I have not read this entire thread but does anyone have any recent benchmark stats on how games perform under W11?


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Originally Posted by PanzerMeyer
I have not read this entire thread but does anyone have any recent benchmark stats on how games perform under W11?


An overall view from memory (there can always be exceptions):

There was an issue with how different CPUs responded. The latest (just released) Intel CPUs had been accounted for in W11 and performed well.

At the W11 first release, games were a few FPS slower on AMD CPUs (it varied with the game). Then, a fix was instituted -- and W11 was updated. Now, games are nominally the same FPS (vs W10). This all typically applies to games played at 1080p. 2K and 4K games are little affected by the CPU regardless.

One of the "selling points" for W11 was that it had features that made games (all games or some games???) slightly faster FPS. But, this may only apply to newer games that are modified to take advantage.

One hardware item of note, using very high speed (very expensive) DDR5 memory with new CPUs and W11 makes about 1 or 2 FPS difference at high gaming resolutions. The nutshell on hardware is that above 1080p, a new CPU, Motherboard, and DDR5 memory will not make a visible difference. Put all that money into a new, high end GPU. Along those lines, the high end GPUs coming out 12 to 14 months from now will cost a bit less and "crush" the current GPUs (maybe 100% higher FPS -- 200% higher FPS for the highest cost GPUs has been speculated). So, wait for the new GPUs, if possible. All this is subject to change.


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Thanks for that info Allen. I was thinking of getting my new Alienware PC in December but I think I'll hold off for a few more months.


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Last week! Black Friday Super Sale – Windows 10 For $7.43 (Free Upgrade To Win 11)

Note: All these keys are legal versions. The low price of these keys is due to the fact that they are usually sold with a PC. This resale practice has been legalized by the European Court of Justice.

get Windows 10 Pro low to $7.43


W10 Pro for only $7.43. W11 for $15.63. Heck, get W10 Pro and do the free upgrade.

Meantime, I'm not selling these. And, I can't vouch for the Retailers. Just information for what its worth.

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Windows 11 is removing one of the "reasons not to leave W10".

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Microsoft Reverses Course on Windows 11 Default Browser Settings

After a spat of questionable decisions recently by Microsoft regarding its Edge browser, Microsoft has finally done something we can all agree is the right thing to do: it’s reversing the changes it made to the default browser settings in Windows 11 to make the process [of changing browsers] easier instead of more difficult. Imagine that.

In a new test build of Windows 11, users can now change their default browser, along with all associated file extensions, with a single click.

The news follows a string of boneheaded moves by the Redmond-based behemoth as it tries to coerce users both towards its Edge browser, and away from rivals


I agree with the use of the negative-connotation word "coerce" -- in this case.


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Intel CPUs also had some issues with games on W11. Mostly fixed or has workarounds, they say.

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Intel & Microsoft Fix Majority of Games Affected By 12th Gen Alder Lake DRM Issue on Windows 11

A month later, Microsoft and Intel have fixed the DRM issues encountered on Windows 11 with 12th Gen Alder Lake CPUs for the majority of games. Right now, there are only three games that are still affected by the issue which is still a huge improvement from the 51 titles that had issues running on Windows 11.

Name of games [remaining] affected in Windows 11* and Windows 10 [with new Intel CPUs]

Assassin’s Creed: Valhalla*
Fernbus Simulator*
Madden 22*

Intel says that the remedy to the issue for these games is the scroll lock fix which can be done so by enabling Legacy Game Compatibility mode from the BIOS of your motherboard. When running the said games, you can press scroll lock to park the E-cores on Intel's Alder Lake Desktop CPUs to get rid of DRM issues.


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Microsoft Fixes SSD and HDD Write Speed Bug in Windows 11

According to MSPowerUser, the C drive write speed issues have been a Windows 11 problem for months, with Windows Insiders complaining about the issues well before the operating system's release.

The issue is quite severe, where write speeds on the C drive are cut in half from this bug alone. However, read speeds are unaffected for unknown reasons.

Microsoft has finally addressed the write speed glitch in update KB5007262, but that's not all this update has to offer.


Apparently, there is still a lot that's "broken". But not all PCs have the same issues -- often the problem depends on specific hardware in the individual PC.


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Windows 11 vs Windows 10 GPUs Tested: Which Games Faster?

I tested .. graphics cards from AMD and Nvidia, the Radeon RX 6900 XT and GeForce RTX 3080 Ti, and I also retested those cards on Windows 10 using the latest drivers and updates.

Across our 14-game test suite, the overall performance difference between Windows 10 and Windows 11 at three resolutions [1080p, 2K, 4K] was less than one percent.

While these results are boring in general, they're good news because I'd hate to see the new OS penalize or benefit performance.


In a couple games at 4K, there was a 3% or 5% difference -- measurable but not visible. W10 won some and W11 won some. But, on average, by less than 1%.

In other words, "yawn" sleepy


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Microsoft Advances its Plan to Kill the Control Panel with Latest Developer Build

Microsoft has been a bit schizophrenic for the past few years when it comes to the Windows Control Panel and the new Settings app. While it has moved a lot of stuff into Settings, the Control Panel still exists as well. This has created a lot of confusion

it is engaged in an “ongoing effort to bring over settings from Control Panel into the Settings app,”

nobody would mind if Microsoft just moved some things to Settings while keeping their functionality, but what it’s been doing is moving and neutering some of them in the pursuit of simplifying things, which is bad for IT pros


Its the "neutering" part that worries me. I use aspects of Control Panel that are not currently in settings. I do not want to lose functions going to W11. W11 is supposed to be "better in every way", not "less".


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First Feature Update for Windows 11 (Codenamed Sun Valley 2) Scheduled to Be Finalized in May 2022

Microsoft plans to reach the broad availability status by the summer of the next year.

Unlike Windows 10, Microsoft had confirmed that Windows 11 will only get one feature update every year.

Folks at WindowsCentral write that "the current engineering schedule has mainline development on version 22H2 scheduled for completion in May 2022, with a final build expected sometime in the summer."

If our comments section is any hint, many early adopters of Windows 11 are bugged by how unfinished the new operating system can feel. If you fall into that category of users, the Windows 11 22H2 update will try to finish off the OS with improvements and changes that didn't make it to the final version of Windows 11 in time.

"We expect all eligible devices to be offered the free upgrade to Windows 11 by mid-2022," Microsoft had said.


So, the "Final/Completed" W11 build will be released in the Summer 2022. Until then, expect W11 to have some issues for some users.


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Originally Posted by Allen


So, the "Final/Completed" W11 build will be released in the Summer 2022. Until then, expect W11 to have some issues for some users.



Thanks for this update. I'm glad I held off on getting my new Alienware gaming system.


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Intel and Windows 11 Deprecating SGX Breaks 4K Blu-ray Playback

Apparently PCs with Intel 12th Gen Core "Alder Lake," and older 11th Gen Core "Rocket Lake" processors, as well as the latest Windows 11 OS, are unable to playback protected 4K Blu-ray video discs, as the DRM component is broken in the absence of Intel Software Guard Extensions (SGX).

CyberLink, makers of the PowerDVD software that's bundled as an OEM application with optical drives to play back protected Blu-ray video; put out a statement on its website confirming that they're unable to help with this situation, as they don't control the DRM, the Blu-ray Association does....this only affects playback of Blu-Ray content at 4K—1080p is not affected


Thus, a "complete" PC or HTPC with Blue Ray drives won't work as well with new Intel CPUs and current W11.


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FWIW: My computer (listed below) got the W11 update offer yesterday.

Its not a finished product; but, it would probably work okay in my use cases (I do have it installed on one PC in the house). However, I'll wait for the Summer "final version".


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North Korean Attackers Use Windows Update to Deliver Malware

Popular North Korean activist group Lazarus is using the Windows Update client to deploy malicious code, thus avoiding security mechanisms, and leveraging Github to serve as a command and control server for its latest attacks

The goal of Lazarus is to infiltrate high-end government entities that specialize in defense and aerospace and steal as much intelligence data as possible.

Interestingly, part of the injection process uses the Windows Update Client to install a malicious DLL. This is very clever since this technique evades security detection systems.


This seems applicable to W10 and, maybe, W11. It would be nice if W11 has "safeguards" against this since Windows forces automatic updates so often.


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Just got the upgrade to W11 offer on our main HTPC -- the one we use virtually all the time for TV (off the internet).

After some thought, I accepted. I'll use it to get used to W11 idiosyncrasies.

The HTPC has: Radeon RX580 Polaris GPU, R7 3800X CPU, Gigabyte X570 I AORUS PRO WIFI Mini-ITX gaming motherboard, 16GB RAM @ 3.2GHz. All but the MB are "old, left over parts" -- I needed a new Mini-ITX MB for this build.


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Devious malware hosted on Discord pretends to be Windows 11 installer

If you're looking for a way to circumvent Microsoft's Windows 11 system requirements, don't go clicking on any old website and downloading an installer. To be expected, nefarious actors have already loaded up a fake Windows 11 installer onto the web and are installing malware onto users' PCs while they attempt to install the latest OS.

HP's threat research team, .. found it attempting to distribute RedLine Stealer, a piece of malware that sets out to steal user information.


The article is simply "a word to the wise".

One can download legitimate W11 Pro from the Microsoft site. Professional is recommended because it gives the PC builder more "say" in what is installed -- and "not" installed. One can buy an inexpensive key for nominally $20 or less -- if one finds a legitimate key sale site (such sites sell unused OEM keys direct to the public). The legitimate keys do NOT have a Windows installer. Rather, they are just a key one uses after installing W10 or W11 using the Microsoft site installer download.


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I Will Never Use a Microsoft Account to Log Into My Own PC

Microsoft has announced that future versions of Windows 11 will require both internet access and a Microsoft account in order to set up the PC. This will impact both Pro and Home users.

According to Satya Nadella, “Windows has always stood for sovereignty for creators and agency for consumers.” Maybe it did once. Today, “agency for consumers” appears to mean “agency for consumers, so long as they make Microsoft-approved choices, use Microsoft services and products, do not wish to delay updates, and do not mind their PCs rebooting out from under them without warning.”


One of the main reasons I use W10Pro and W11Pro (instead of the "Home" version) is to "sidestep" Microsoft's intrusion into my Personal PC.

We'll see where this leads. No operating system competition is not good. frown


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[quote]No operating system competition is not good. frown



Agreed. If most PC games could run on Linux I would have dumped Windows a long time ago.


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I Will Never Use a Microsoft Account to Log Into My Own PC

Microsoft has announced that future versions of Windows 11 will require both internet access and a Microsoft account in order to set up the PC. This will impact both Pro and Home users.

According to Satya Nadella, “Windows has always stood for sovereignty for creators and agency for consumers.” Maybe it did once. Today, “agency for consumers” appears to mean “agency for consumers, so long as they make Microsoft-approved choices, use Microsoft services and products, do not wish to delay updates, and do not mind their PCs rebooting out from under them without warning.”


One of the main reasons I use W10Pro and W11Pro (instead of the "Home" version) is to "sidestep" Microsoft's intrusion into my Personal PC.

We'll see where this leads. No operating system competition is not good. frown


Allowing Microsoft to control our logins is dangerous, because they could--or the Government--decide in the future that we are not allowed to access our PC.

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Microsoft Says it Didn’t Mean to Put Ads in Windows 11 File Explorer (Yet)

Microsoft rolled out a new Insider build recently that set off alarm bells by including ads for Microsoft Editor in the Windows 11 File Explorer. .. Microsoft has disabled the feature. That said, the feature does exist in Windows 11, and this probably won’t be the last we’ve seen of it.

The response online was swift and strongly negative, with many pointing out that the file explorer is one of the worst places to show an ad.

We might see the file explorer as sacrosanct, but Microsoft does not.


For me, the best reason yet to avoid W11 on my main PC as long as possible.

I have W11 on two of the 11 operational PCs and laptops in the house (yes -- overkill^2 wacky ). So, I'll see how W11 develops on those two "sacrificial PCs".


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I bought another R5 5600G CPU/GPU to update an HTPC (replaces R7 1800X CPU and RX550 GPU -- i.e. made the HTPC from old parts). Cost $178 (free shipping) from Amazon. Most AMD 5000 series CPUs prices are well below MSRP now.

With the updated AMD R5 5600G APU, the HTPC will run W11 -- I'll switch it to W11. That will bring us to 3 HTPC with W11 and one 4 year old gaming PC with W11. Still not convinced in W11 for my main PC.


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Microsoft Reminds Us Windows 11’s Start Menu is (Supposedly) Based on User Feedback


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A nice/long explanation of how Windows 11 became less user friendly than Windows 10.

Basically, Microsoft "took the average" of all the feedback and partly cemented it in place in W11 -- with less customization possible than in W10.

Anyone who does statistics knows the "true average" of "real people" represents only a tiny proportion of all humans. So, one can't provide the "average" in an attempt to satisfy the majority. Rather, ideally, one must allow each user to extensively modify/customize the provided interfaces to their personal preferences.

Meantime, I now have W11 on 6 operational in-house PCs (mostly HTPCs) with one more to come. However, its not on my main machine.


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My new HP laptop came with Win 11. It's not a patch on 10 in my opinion for usability. Who are these people that were ok with these new 'features'?


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Who the hell ever believed it was actually going to be anything even remotely close to an improvement on (any prior version) of Windows? (I'm laughing...but it ain't funny)

Anyone who's ever believed that 'improvement' is Microsoft's goal in releasing a new OS (since XP or maybe 7, anyhow) is a fool.

Simple question: If each of these successive versions of Windows were so great, why is it progressively becoming a matter of being forced to upgrade, rather than choice?

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Get Genuine Windows 10 for only $5.71! Upgrade to Windows 11 for FREE!


Article with links to many "deals"

As usual, I can't vouch for the source.

I bought my first W11 Pro key a couple days ago (from a different seller). Cost more than W10 Pro (as I expected). It was an experiment on a "new build". Worked fine.

FWIW: My experiment of a few months ago to buy 2 W10 Pro Keys at once at a good price, use one, keep one for future is over.

The second key (bought but not immediately installed) didn't work. This is my second try at that experiment. From now on, I'll only buy keys for install the day of purchase (that always worked for me). Once its working, Microsoft remembers it and it has always worked on that PC (so long as the motherboard remains the same -- the BIOS can update with no loss of W10 or W11 user rights).


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I've now been using WIN 11 since February and I have only had one minor issue where one specific game was giving me corrupted graphics but that was fixed with a subsequent patch.


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#4600421 - 05/27/22 03:01 PM Re: Windows 11 (??) Soon [Re: Allen]  
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Microsoft Declares Windows 11 Ready For ‘Broad Deployment’

Microsoft has finally declared it ready for “broad deployment” almost seven months after it launched in October of 2021. This means it’ll begin pushing upgrade notices to people who haven’t yet received them. Upgrading is free, of course, should you choose to go along with it. You will need to be running Windows 10 version 2004 to upgrade.


My next main PC build is W11. I'm already "building" -- and its functioning on a placeholder CPU & GPU -- building is a hobby.

I'll keep W10 on my current main PC for a while.


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The planned Windows 11 22H2 (2022 second half of year) complete version has not yet been released. We're still on W11 21H2 (2021 second half of year).

The current W11 21H2 version receives updates almost weekly -- but was considered an experimental "Beta" version -- for testing. It is not "feature complete" -- some aspects don't work or are missing.

W11 22H2 will be officially "complete" (it has been said -- we'll see). It will be updated often during 2022 and 2023 (like W10 is). It will get major version changes at the middle of each successive year -- the first major change will nominally be 23H2.

Thus, its time to start expecting the "final cut" of W11 soon.

So far, we have W11 Pro on all but 2 of our operational PCs (my and my wife's office/main-gaming PCs are W10). There are 6+ with W11 -- one W11 used for gaming; others are HTPCs.

So far, in our limited use, no functional issues with W11 -- other than the annoyance of it trying to get us to use features favorable to Microsoft.


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I've now got used to 11 (more or less) on my new laptop. I still don't like the layout compared to 10 but it's ok. No real issues so far that I can recall.

I understand that you can skip the M$ account creation on 11. Never tried it but I have no problem with it at the moment. It's useful for keeping my 2 machines sync'd.


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I understand that you can skip the M$ account creation on 11. Never tried it but I have no problem with it at the moment. It's useful for keeping my 2 machines sync'd.


I bought W11 Professional because it allows one to bypass some things like that -- or use them if they are useful to one. Since I buy the "key" for under $20, W11 Pro only costs a few dollars more than W11 non-Pro (or less). I skipped everything, on principle. I don't know how the skipped features would hurt or help -- because I haven't used them.

I realize your W11 version may have been included with your Laptop. I assume W11 non-Pro will meet most folks needs just fine.


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Yes, I have always used the 'Home' versions. I just can't see the need for the 'Pro' version as a gamer. Maybe BitLocker could be of some use but I doubt I'll ever own that version.


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I've been on WIN 11 now for almost 5 months and the only issue I've run into is one game that needed to be updated in order to fix a serious graphics glitch. This OS has been rock solid for me and I've not had a single blue screen crash.


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FWIW: Today I switched my wife's gaming PC over to Windows 11 Pro (from W10 Home).

The W11 Pro key cost me $17.36 (was actually a W10 Pro key -- worked on the W11 Pro clean install).

Now, my personal gaming PC (in signature) is the only PC in the house on W10.

I'll change when they release the W11 22H2 version. W11 22H2 will be the first nominally "complete" and nominally "debugged" W11 version.

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Changed my mind overnight -- not waiting. smile

Putting W11 on my wife's gaming PC yesterday got me "over the hump". smile

Installed Windows 11 Pro on my main machine (signature below). I had it keep all my installed software, etc. functioning (rather than my usual "clean install" of a new operating system). Very easy to do and no issues so far.

Now all our PCs & HTPCs are running W11 Pro.


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Microsoft is responsible for this one:

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Latest AMD & Intel CPUs Including Zen 4 & Raptor Lake With VAES Instructions Susceptible To Data Damage on Windows, Patch Rolling Out But Will Reduce Performance

Microsoft has revealed a new bug within Windows 11 & Windows Server 2022 operating systems that affects the latest Intel & AMD CPUs.

after applying the new update, PCs will notice slower performance (up to 2x slower)

Microsoft states that users will have to wait for a month for a proper patch to be rolled out but till then, the only workaround to avoid data damage is to switch to lower performance on the older update.


Only a few applications are affected. W11 is still not perfected.


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Only a few applications are affected. W11 is still not perfected.


Lord knows what these micronauts are thinking about at work. eek

I have Windoze Eleventeen on my fancy new Dell laptop, which I like a lot, just more used to sorting issues myself. Had to finally have a webcam for my last semester at school. And had to install Zoom...what a POS excuse for a functional tool.

Still trying to remember which Windoze I started with...


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#4610358 - 10/04/22 10:02 PM Re: Windows 11 (??) Soon [Re: Allen]  
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FWIW: You may have already noticed and downloaded/installed Windows 11 version 22/H2.

Up to now, Windows 11 versions and updates have been incomplete "developmental" updates to the incomplete original release version, it is said.

W11 22/H2 is relevant because it was said to be the "finally finished, fully complete 1st version" of W11. Now, that version (22/H2) will simply be updated for about a year (the next big jump may be 23/H2).

Windows 11 version 22/H2 has been available for roughly a couple weeks.

However, the automatic "update" has not been available for everyone's PC yet.

My Wife's PC (R7-3800X) finally got it two days ago. My current PC (R7-5800X) is downloading it as I write this (completed now). My "just finished" R5-7600X new build has not had it show up yet. is downloading now.

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I have yet to install 22/H2. I want to read up on it first and see how it affects gaming before I decide to update.


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#4610514 - 10/06/22 01:45 PM Re: Windows 11 (??) Soon [Re: Allen]  
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FWIW: In limited testing of my new build against my old build yesterday (using only one game -- AC Odyssey) , I did not notice anything negative. This was prior to and also after updating Windows 11.

I have read that some features of W11 (pre 22H2 build) do affect game performance negatively -- for certain games. Companies like AMD have made some driver modifications in response. I don't know regarding 22H2.

So, checking the literature may turn up something.


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Thanks for that info Allen!


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#4610517 - 10/06/22 01:58 PM Re: Windows 11 (??) Soon [Re: Allen]  
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This is exactly the stuff I'm talking about:

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/nvidia-issues-fix-for-windows-11-22h2-lag-and-stuttering-bugs



So my strategy is to wait for 22H2 to be "out in the wild" for a month or two before I update. That should hopefully give Nvidia, Logitech , AMD and other hardware manufacturers time to address issues.


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#4613149 - 11/08/22 08:30 PM Re: Windows 11 (??) Soon [Re: Allen]  
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One Year Later, Barely Anyone Is Using Windows 11

Statcounter says that just 15 percent of Windows installs are on the latest version, which is far short of Windows 10’s performance at this juncture.

Windows 10 is still far and away the leader among Microsoft’s operating systems with a 71 percent market share. Windows 11 is a distant second with 15.45 percent, and Windows 7 still has a dedicated user base at 9.62 percent.

After a year on the market, Windows 10 had roughly twice the Windows market share as Windows 11 does at the same point.

Those who wish to remain on Windows 10 can safely do so for another three years.


I have W11 Pro on 8 in-use PCs in the house -- plus 1 W10 Pro on an in-use out of date PC. Also, a couple under construction but not in regular use have W11Pro.

I don't miss W10. BUT, if W11 didn't exist, I'd be happy with W10. All in all, W11 is a "ho-hum"for me, so far.


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#4613162 - 11/08/22 09:26 PM Re: Windows 11 (??) Soon [Re: Allen]  
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Can the blame be laid at the system requirements for 11?

I can't believe M$ didn't see that coming.

I've been on 22H2 for about 10 days now on my Omen laptop (Win 11), no issues to report, at least with gaming.


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Originally Posted by Chucky
Can the blame be laid at the system requirements for 11?

I can't believe M$ didn't see that coming.


I think the idea you're (rightfully) not seeing as sensible has nothing to do with what they could see coming. It is simply because they don't care - and they should've had their money-grabbing a$$es reigned in, long ago. People who are clueless have run off the edge of every cliff M$ has put in front of 'em like lemmings, completely ignoring the fact that this is (obviously) where it would wind up going. M$ has finally convinced hardware manufacturers that the whole of computing society will lap up whatever bullsh*t they produce, and every couple years they'll pay to start all over.

Myself, and people like me (I've been working in the computer industry since before PCs were really even a thing) absolutely *knew* what would happen in time. And we tried to tell those less educated and experienced...only to be told by the legion of internet "experts" that we're just clinging to the past and need to move on...

...well, I guess the majority has (finally) realized that "just moving on" is not always in their best interests. Not enough M$ expects to deepen their revenue stream by forcing people to do what they say...now people are actually going to be expected to buy new hardware every three years, even though there's no legitimate technical reason they should have to.

In a way I'm tempted to say I hope people are happy they listened to these "experts" and caved in to M$. Kinda getting what they deserve, in a way. But I still don't think it's right, even if it may seem somehow...appropriate.

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My hardware is mostly 10+ years old and running latest Linux with performance as good or better than XP. These wouldn't even run M$. The bottleneck is Windows IMHO beacuse on Linux we have no problems as far as performance.

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Microsoft Windows 11 Gaming Bugs Fixed, Rollout Restarts

Microsoft restarts Windows 11 22H2 rollout, presumably for all systems.

Microsoft started to roll out its Windows 11 22H2 update in early October but discovered in November that this update caused sluggish and unstable frame rates in games, lag, and extensive CPU underutilization on Nvidia GeForce-based systems.

Meanwhile, Nvidia released a GeForce Experience [beta] update that fixed the problem in late September


Some folks say the issue affects more than games. Other apps have slowed down considerably also -- just that they are normally so fast one hardly notices.


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Originally Posted by FsFOOT
My hardware is mostly 10+ years old and running latest Linux with performance as good or better than XP. These wouldn't even run M$. The bottleneck is Windows IMHO beacuse on Linux we have no problems as far as performance.



I would run Linux too if all the games I wanted to play and currently play ran on it.


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Microsoft Windows 11 Gaming Bugs Fixed, Rollout Restarts

Microsoft restarts Windows 11 22H2 rollout, presumably for all systems.

Microsoft started to roll out its Windows 11 22H2 update in early October but discovered in November that this update caused sluggish and unstable frame rates in games, lag, and extensive CPU underutilization on Nvidia GeForce-based systems.

Meanwhile, Nvidia released a GeForce Experience [beta] update that fixed the problem in late September


Some folks say the issue affects more than games. Other apps have slowed down considerably also -- just that they are normally so fast one hardly notices.



I'm not surprised at that this happened!


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#4619869 - 02/03/23 02:56 PM Re: Windows 11 (??) Soon [Re: Allen]  
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Windows 11 Gains Market Share but Windows 10 Still Leads by a Mile

Windows 11 now resides on 18.1% of Windows users’ machines globally, which is the highest so far. It has a long way to go to dethrone Windows 10, though. That beloved OS still rules the roost with 68.75% of the market.

Here in the states, Windows 11 is at 21.2% compared with 69.4% for Windows 10.

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Most businesses have put off going to WIN 11 for budgetary issues caused by COVID and other global factors. I'm pretty sure WIN 11 will have a much larger market share by the end of this year.


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