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#4567237 - 05/05/21 01:58 AM Correct Nvidia settings to avoid freeze issue  
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I had been suffered by the freeze issue, where the game suddenly freezes except the sounds keep playing and the only solution is calling task manager. This freeze issue dont even create debug logs.

I started to think is it something related to graphic driver, so I tried each options and played the same campaign for several days. as a result I am not having the freeze issue anymore.

these are my nvidia settings :

Image Sharpening : OFF

CUBA - GPU : ON

DSR : OFF - Obviously ancient games like EECH dont support DSR.

VR prerender frame : 1

MFAA : OFF

Triple buffer : ON - it is often recommended to turn it off to decrease input lag in video games, but I havent find any input issue with this.

vertical sync : ON

shader cache : ON

threaded optimization : OFF - I heard that some games are tend to crash with this option.

anti aliasing : 8X

ambient occlusion : OFF

Anisotropic filtering : 16X

low latency mode : ON

power management mode : prefer maximum performance

texture filtering negative LOD bias : clamp

texture filtering quality : high quality



There is a possibility that the freeze issue is still there but I was just lucky to avoid it for several days, but I hope this thread is helpful to someone who are suffering the same issue.

Last edited by Hijongpark; 05/05/21 01:59 AM.
#4567354 - 05/05/21 04:40 PM Re: Correct Nvidia settings to avoid freeze issue [Re: Hijongpark]  
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interesting

Did you try increasing the VR and allowed rendered frames upwards and see if it makes things worse on your system? I usually have that up to reduce stutters in non-VR, and it has little adverse effects to non-VR flight sims since our inputs already have a touch of lag or at least should to simulate realistic controls. Your low-latency mode would also seem to be the opposite as me. I am thinking of reverting to the last Nvidia drivers that did Vision 3D, though, and some of these are not options present in it.

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#4567408 - 05/06/21 12:29 AM Re: Correct Nvidia settings to avoid freeze issue [Re: Reticuli]  
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Originally Posted by Reticuli
interesting

Did you try increasing the VR rendered frame upwards and see if it makes things worse on your system? I usually have that up to reduce stutters, and it has little adverse effects to flight sims since our inputs already have a touch of lag or at least should to simulate realistic controls. Your low-latency mode would also seem to be the opposite as me. I am thinking or reverting to the last Nvidia drivers that did Vision 3D, though, and that last one is not in those.


I don't have VR and EECH don't support VR so I couldn't find any reason to bother with that setting. but it seems "Use the 3d application setting" can improve the performance a lot. I'll try.

#4567518 - 05/06/21 06:57 PM Re: Correct Nvidia settings to avoid freeze issue [Re: Hijongpark]  
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The 'VR' stuff is about lowering the latency at the expense of increased stutter. More pre-rendered frames is not desirable with VR. We should want pre-rendered frames in EECH, unless it's causing catastrophic freezes or CTD. Really only twitch & 1st person shooter games need low latency in non-VR. VR needs latency reduced for headtracking, but otherwise our controls' latency in a non-VR flight sim should be larger than any graphics setting should contribute to. I'm curious what among your settings are actually contributing to your reduced freezes or CTDs, because some of these settings preferably ought to be different and give you improved fps smoothness.

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#4567542 - 05/07/21 01:53 AM Re: Correct Nvidia settings to avoid freeze issue [Re: Reticuli]  
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Originally Posted by Reticuli
The 'VR' stuff is about lowering the latency at the expense of increased stutter. More pre-rendered frames is not desirable with VR. We should want pre-rendered frames in EECH, unless it's causing catastrophic freezes or CTD. Really only twitch & 1st person shooter games need low latency in non-VR. VR needs latency reduced for headtracking, but otherwise our controls' latency in a non-VR flight sim should be larger than any graphics setting should contribute to. I'm curious what among your settings are actually contributing to your reduced freezes or CTDs, because some of these settings preferably ought to be different and give you improved fps smoothness.


Then, can you share your nvidia settings ? I want to try yours and see if it make better result.

#4567548 - 05/07/21 02:46 AM Re: Correct Nvidia settings to avoid freeze issue [Re: Hijongpark]  
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I've never found my NVidia settings to make a difference in CTDs or freezes. I just tend to have the number of pre-rendered frames and VR stuff tuned away from what's optimal for VR when I'm not doing VR so I get smoother framerates since I don't care about increased latency... especially in something like EECH. The rest of it is simply dependent on whether I want it pretty or higher framerate. I am curious if being towards the VR end of things in the settings might get rid of that freeze & crash when I fly inverted sometimes, though.


Last edited by Reticuli; 05/07/21 02:47 AM.

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#4567556 - 05/07/21 05:05 AM Re: Correct Nvidia settings to avoid freeze issue [Re: Reticuli]  
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Originally Posted by Reticuli
I've never found my NVidia settings to make a difference in CTDs or freezes. I just tend to have the number of pre-rendered frames and VR stuff tuned away from what's optimal for VR when I'm not doing VR so I get smoother framerates since I don't care about increased latency... especially in something like EECH. The rest of it is simply dependent on whether I want it pretty or higher framerate. I am curious if being towards the VR end of things in the settings might get rid of that freeze & crash when I fly inverted sometimes, though.



I just realized that everytime the freeze issue happened I was flying inverted to avoid enemy fires. so Instead of playing so long I'll try looping during combat to check the freeze issue.

#4567560 - 05/07/21 06:36 AM Re: Correct Nvidia settings to avoid freeze issue [Re: Hijongpark]  
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It's a weird bug that reminds me of JSF.exe in DirectX mode when you pitch up above the horizon, though on that one the higher the resolution, the more likely and faster it is to CTD.


The term "necroposting" was invented by a person with no social memory beyond a year. People with a similar hangup are those o.k. with the internet being transient vapor.

http://www.openfuelstandard.org/2011/12/methanol-wins-open-wager.html

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#4567762 - 05/08/21 10:40 PM Re: Correct Nvidia settings to avoid freeze issue [Re: Hijongpark]  
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Try without vsync. I had freezing issues, turned vsync off - all ok now.

#4568233 - 05/13/21 01:11 AM Re: Correct Nvidia settings to avoid freeze issue [Re: Hijongpark]  
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I just found the solution. the freeze was not related to nvidia settings but compatibility. when I set the compatibility mode to windows 7 the freeze issue disappeared when Im flipping during combat, and I have not meet any freeze issues so far.

#4568306 - 05/13/21 06:45 PM Re: Correct Nvidia settings to avoid freeze issue [Re: Hijongpark]  
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I am using w7 64.


The term "necroposting" was invented by a person with no social memory beyond a year. People with a similar hangup are those o.k. with the internet being transient vapor.

http://www.openfuelstandard.org/2011/12/methanol-wins-open-wager.html

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