#4566313 - 04/28/21 02:57 AM
Re: 24 hrs. after Pfizer #2...
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Because there are 1.4 billion of them. That many people in China too but they only have 90000 reported cases. Yeah....China would never lie. 90000 is just a rounding error in China.
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#4566314 - 04/28/21 03:22 AM
Re: 24 hrs. after Pfizer #2...
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Because there are 1.4 billion of them. That many people in China too but they only have 90000 reported cases. Yeah....China would never lie. 90000 is just a rounding error in China. Me think they forgot two or three 0.
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#4566528 - 04/29/21 07:57 PM
Re: 24 hrs. after Pfizer #2...
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Of course you can do whatever you want, but your reaction seems to be an over-reaction and not logical. Even if 1000 people had inflamed hearts, given how many people have been vaccinated, your odds are still orders of magnitude greater being killed in a car accident than having an issue from the vaccine. If you still drive, you're taking a bigger chance than getting vaccinated. You should say, "Get in a car? Yeah again, No Thank You." More people die from NSAIDs (like Ibuprofen) each year than have had any serious issues from the vaccines. And you have to remember that when you hear about these issues, it is very difficult to tell if all of them, or possibly any of them, were actually caused by the vaccine. There's a certain percentage of the population that will have inflamed hearts, etc., for reasons other than the vaccine, so without thorough investigation, there is no way of knowing for sure what caused it in every reported case.
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#4566563 - 04/30/21 12:46 AM
Re: 24 hrs. after Pfizer #2...
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I might have Covid right now, been mostly bedridden and lost 14 lbs since Friday.
It sucked but I'm on the mend thanks to the zinc, turmeric, quercetin and vitamin C and D3 I've been taking.
I'm pretty sure I had the original edition back in Dec 2019, but this likely variant was far worse.
Anyway, there's definitely no way I'm taking a "vaccine" now, to protect against the original strain?
My wife's co-worker had covid back in January. Was vacinated in March. Now has been having all kinds of side effects that she is missing work more and more. And she is an older lady to. I have little trust in it.
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#4566566 - 04/30/21 01:15 AM
Re: 24 hrs. after Pfizer #2...
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Guy I work with who is younger then me had both Phizer shots last week. Have not seen him since. Heard he home sicker then a dog from reactions to them.
Not interested now. I had to wait like almost 4 weeks to get my second Moderna? What I am seeing is the wait between shots for for the Pfizer vax is minimus 21 days. Sounds like somebody screwed up.
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#4566569 - 04/30/21 01:19 AM
Re: 24 hrs. after Pfizer #2...
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I might have Covid right now, been mostly bedridden and lost 14 lbs since Friday.
It sucked but I'm on the mend thanks to the zinc, turmeric, quercetin and vitamin C and D3 I've been taking.
I'm pretty sure I had the original edition back in Dec 2019, but this likely variant was far worse.
Anyway, there's definitely no way I'm taking a "vaccine" now, to protect against the original strain?
My wife's co-worker had covid back in January. Was vacinated in March. Now has been having all kinds of side effects that she is missing work more and more. And she is an older lady to. I have little trust in it. OK, so we;re going to make decisions based on anecdotal evidence. How's this - one of my sisters, who is about 70, as well as her husband of the same age, got the vaccine and other than a slightly sore shoulder after the first dose, had no effects at all. The second dose had virtually no impact. My mother, who is 93, had the J&J vaccine and had no side effects at all. I had the first dose of Moderna, and other than a sore arm, had no side effects. My girlfriend had both doses of Moderna and had nothing more than a slightly sore arm for a few days. What does that tell you? Now add in the hundreds of millions (get that? hundreds of millions) of people who've had it and had very few side effects. For me, it tells me that the vaccines are largely safe and the strong side effects are rare. Again, you can find people who die from aspirin, or ibuprofen, or peanuts for that matter, but it doesn't make those substances inherently dangerous, it means those people have a biology that reacts with those compounds. And again, if you are willing to drive in a car, eat greasy food, go swimming, or walk down the street, you are taking a bigger risk than getting the vaccine. On the other hand, I've known people who've gotten COVID-19 and died, or lost their sense of taste and it never fully came back. So, pick your poison, I guess.
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#4566577 - 04/30/21 02:41 AM
Re: 24 hrs. after Pfizer #2...
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Personal choice should not be thrown out as we all live on this planet together.
We are socially inactive to begin with. Hardy any exposure. Walmart is our biggest challenge and everyone wears masks and gloves. It's not about personal choice, it's just logic. It seems to be a bit or a Rorschach test - which anecdotal evidence do you choose to focus on? Also, it seems that a lot of the people who would say that the death rate from COVID-19 was actually less than 1% and nothing to worry about are now saying that a .0001% chance of having a bad reaction to the vaccine makes it unsafe.
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#4566686 - 04/30/21 02:55 PM
Re: 24 hrs. after Pfizer #2...
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Guy I work with who is younger then me had both Phizer shots last week. Have not seen him since. Heard he home sicker then a dog from reactions to them.
Not interested now. I had to wait like almost 4 weeks to get my second Moderna? What I am seeing is the wait between shots for for the Pfizer vax is minimus 21 days. Sounds like somebody screwed up. As I understand it, 28 days is the standard interval between the 1st and 2nd Moderna vaccine. My 2nd dose was 28 days after the 1st.
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#4566688 - 04/30/21 02:59 PM
Re: 24 hrs. after Pfizer #2...
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I had my second Moderna vaccine on the 20th, and am still noticing small twitches in my right and left legs hamstring and calf muscles. Hard to describe, but these twitches began the night after the shot.
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#4566694 - 04/30/21 03:41 PM
Re: 24 hrs. after Pfizer #2...
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The mRNA based Moderna and Phizer vaccines are doing way more good than harm. I think they are a good thing, and I was content to get mine when it became available.
That being said, I do not believe people should be coerced into taking them at this time, since the development/testing process was shortend from the previous norms. It's basically a big experiment at this point. I turn 65 in June, so I felt taking it was a good choice for me. Other people have their own circumstances to wheigh, and their calculations could be different.
I also find the idea of a "vaccine passport" repugnant. The concept is inherently unfair to people who have good reasons for not getting vaccinated, and is just too easily weaponized by the power hungry.
Between people who have recovered from infection and people who voluntarily receive the vaccines, herd immunity should be achieved.
Life is not risk-free. Get the best information you can ( hint: annecdotes are of limited value when there are statistics available on millions of occurences ), make your choices, and live with them.
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#4566695 - 04/30/21 03:57 PM
Re: 24 hrs. after Pfizer #2...
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Guy I work with who is younger then me had both Phizer shots last week. Have not seen him since. Heard he home sicker then a dog from reactions to them.
Not interested now. I had to wait like almost 4 weeks to get my second Moderna? What I am seeing is the wait between shots for for the Pfizer vax is minimus 21 days. Sounds like somebody screwed up. Our Canadian Prime Minister tells us it is acceptable to wait 4 months between shots. Clearly this has yet to be proven.
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