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#4564959 - 04/18/21 05:58 AM Re: 24 hrs. after Pfizer #2... [Re: Herman]  
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Originally Posted by Herman

Personally, I think that the vaccine is only going to be good for four months. If I am proven wrong and protective antibodies are present after 6-12 months, that will be great. Better to be pessimistic and then be happily surprised. smile


Given that, so far, that studies have shown immunity from the actual COVID virus persists for as long as we have data so far, that seems an unnecessarily pessimistic view of the vaccines efficacy.


Originally Posted by Herman
The vaccine will only protect you; it won't protect anyone else. That is why they ask you to wear masks. The vaccine will (hopefully) prevent you from suffering severe outcomes like hospitalization or death. It does not protect you from getting infected. You can stil be as contagious as heck, after innoculation.

There have been no reports that the virus is any weaker, due to innoculation. You will spread virus at 100% potency. There is a single report that believes a person who has been vaccinated and then infected will have a lower viral load, but it is a single report from a single country for a single vaccine, Pfizer.


You literally contradict yourself ("no reports" does would exclude "single report") and there is more than a single report. The Oxford/AstraZenac, CDC/Pfizer/Moderna and Lancet/Pfizer all seemed to indicate the same thing.

If you want to say prevention of transmission has not yet been definitively proved, fair enough; nothing has completed the peer-review process yet. But to say positively no COVID vaccine prevents transmission is a gross overstatement.

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#4565016 - 04/18/21 02:45 PM Re: 24 hrs. after Pfizer #2... [Re: MarkG]  
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Just wanted to clarify that I had nothing against getting a COVID vaccine, I just wouldn't have been so inclined to make the reservation myself and do whatever else involved (seemed like lots of paperwork, but maybe because we were a party of four). That's what my wife is all too happy to do, scheduling me another dosage of pain. frown And I just suck it up because years ago I promised that I would (when it comes to my health). But I always get revenge...in the sweetest of ways. wink



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#4565032 - 04/18/21 05:15 PM Re: 24 hrs. after Pfizer #2... [Re: Nimits]  
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Originally Posted by Nimits
Originally Posted by Herman
There have been no reports that the virus is any weaker, due to innoculation. You will spread virus at 100% potency. There is a single report that believes a person who has been vaccinated and then infected will have a lower viral load, but it is a single report from a single country for a single vaccine, Pfizer.

You literally contradict yourself ("no reports" does would exclude "single report") and there is more than a single report. The Oxford/AstraZenac, CDC/Pfizer/Moderna and Lancet/Pfizer all seemed to indicate the same thing.

If you want to say prevention of transmission has not yet been definitively proved, fair enough; nothing has completed the peer-review process yet. But to say positively no COVID vaccine prevents transmission is a gross overstatement.

Not at all. There are no reports that the virus is any weaker, due to innoculation. When the virus infects a new victim, there is no evidence that it is attenuated. The virus is unchanged by the presence of antibodies. It replicates as it has always done.

The only report claims that there is simply less viral load. This means that there are fewer viral bodies in the infected person; not that they are any weaker or less potent than previously found. Fewer is not the same as weaker.

I suspect that the lower viral load (fewer virii) means that slightly fewer opportunities present to be transmitted to the next victim. My guess is that is the basis for the reduction in transmissibility found in the Israeli report.


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#4565033 - 04/18/21 05:18 PM Re: 24 hrs. after Pfizer #2... [Re: MarkG]  
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Originally Posted by MarkG


Lol. I remember getting shots at school in the 70's from these bad boys...]


You brought back memories of my late 1950s era 9th grade Science Class run-in with "the board" -- I forget what my crime was. smile

It was administered in front of the whole class. I was not scared or offended. These days, I assume the teacher would be fired frown

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#4565034 - 04/18/21 05:30 PM Re: 24 hrs. after Pfizer #2... [Re: MarkG]  
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#4565037 - 04/18/21 06:07 PM Re: 24 hrs. after Pfizer #2... [Re: MarkG]  
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Injecting a mutagenic substance every year, what could possibly go wrong?!

#4565040 - 04/18/21 06:19 PM Re: 24 hrs. after Pfizer #2... [Re: MarkG]  
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#4565047 - 04/18/21 06:41 PM Re: 24 hrs. after Pfizer #2... [Re: Crane Hunter]  
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Originally Posted by Crane Hunter
Injecting a mutagenic substance every year, what could possibly go wrong?!


Pfizer and Moderna vaccines are mRNA based. They are not mutagenic, as they don't mess with DNA. J&J's vaccine is the more traditional virus-based, so not mutagenic, either.

That's not to say there aren't potential conerns for some people, but messing witheir DNA isn't legitimately one of them.

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#4565053 - 04/18/21 07:23 PM Re: 24 hrs. after Pfizer #2... [Re: MarkG]  
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#4565055 - 04/18/21 07:46 PM Re: 24 hrs. after Pfizer #2... [Re: MarkG]  
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Wanted to add something...

We decided not to get our vaccinations locally to our rural parish (county) East Feliciana, instead going into East Baton Rouge to our regular hospital (Lane Regional in Zachary) where we're all registered (including online patient portals). Wife planned this mainly in case my mom had a reaction (allergic to insect stings, keeps an epidural shot) and with all she's been through recently (but recovered like a trooper).

So we were willing to put up with an expected higher number of people to be on hospital grounds (I was the driver). They even had a route planned for getting in line, wrapping around a few side streets with parts of the main thruway closed off to handle traffic. But what traffic? None of this was needed as there was no traffic, hardly anyone showed up. Both times were just a quick drive-up in-and-out with a short wait to make sure we had no ill effects. For shot #2 they didn't even bother planning a route to direct the non-existent traffic. I believe the turnout was not at all what they were expecting.



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#4565066 - 04/18/21 08:44 PM Re: 24 hrs. after Pfizer #2... [Re: MarkG]  
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Originally Posted by MarkG
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I just got back from getting my first Pfizer shot. So far, so good. Boy, getting a vaccine shot sure has changed since I was a kid. They had emotional support dogs, tons of nurses, firemen, and EMT's. Back in the late 1960's and early1970's you waited in a line in a hall out side the gym. Once you got in, some big nurse (usually named Helga) spun you around and jabbed you in the arm. Then she yelled, next! That was it.

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Lol. I remember getting shots at school in the 70's from these bad boys...

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But there were worse things than getting an air gun shot!... grrr

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isnt that just for smallpox though ? so you get the mark of the devil on your arm for the rest of your life.....kid today dont even get that.

#4565067 - 04/18/21 08:58 PM Re: 24 hrs. after Pfizer #2... [Re: MarkG]  
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They opened up Ford Field in Detroit (were the Detroit Lions play) so that Detroiters would have better access to the vaccine. The local media was doing story after story on how Detroiters weren't able to get the shot. They ended up with a very low turnout in the end. They are having a hard time getting many in the city to get vaccinated. Even with a major uptick in cases in the area.


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#4565070 - 04/18/21 09:04 PM Re: 24 hrs. after Pfizer #2... [Re: Blade_RJ]  
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Originally Posted by Blade_RJ
isnt that just for smallpox though ? so you get the mark of the devil on your arm for the rest of your life.....kid today dont even get that.

Wait...was it the air gun that made the scar? I remember getting an air gun shot at school yet I have no scar. confused




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#4565080 - 04/18/21 10:43 PM Re: 24 hrs. after Pfizer #2... [Re: MarkG]  
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I thought it was the TB shot that used a weird needle and left an odd scar, but I may not be remembering it right.

In other news, I read a post here and had a friend tell me that moving your arm around helped with the pain, and I don't know if it's coincidence or not, but once I started doing that, my arm got better fast. It was 3 days after the shot when I started doing it, but I woke up Saturday and it really hurt, but by the end of the day it was probably at 85%.


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#4565181 - 04/19/21 06:44 PM Re: 24 hrs. after Pfizer #2... [Re: MarkG]  
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Arthonon you're sorta right, it was the smallpox shot, that odd multiprong/needle doofer that left a big round scab (and scar). Will get my second Pfizer jab at the VA hospital on 1 May.

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#4565228 - 04/20/21 12:30 AM Re: 24 hrs. after Pfizer #2... [Re: busdriver]  
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Originally Posted by busdriver
Arthonon you're sorta right, it was the smallpox shot, that odd multiprong/needle doofer that left a big round scab (and scar). Will get my second Pfizer jab at the VA hospital on 1 May.

Yeah, that's the "needle" I remember. Not sure why I thought it was TB. Thanks!


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I carry that scar from that shot. So does the wife. Got mine 1972.


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