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#4570775 - 06/02/21 11:16 PM Re: UFO footage from USS Russell - declassified [Re: Mr_Blastman]  
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Blade, if your post was serious, then..... Thank you.

These pilots are not seeing birds or balloons. Though a couple of keyboard warriors on this site know better than them.

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#4570782 - 06/03/21 01:18 AM Re: UFO footage from USS Russell - declassified [Re: RossUK]  
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Originally Posted by RossUK

These pilots are not seeing birds or balloons. Though a couple of keyboard warriors on this site know better than them.


Pilots, even fighter pilots, are just normal people with (sometimes) slightly better eyesight and reflexes, that know how to operate the controls of an airplane. They are, on average, no more (or less) adapt at discriminating what is a potentially alien UFO than anybody else.

#4570784 - 06/03/21 02:14 AM Re: UFO footage from USS Russell - declassified [Re: Nimits]  
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Originally Posted by Nimits


Pilots, even fighter pilots, are just normal people with (sometimes) slightly better eyesight and reflexes, that know how to operate the controls of an airplane. They are, on average, no more (or less) adapt at discriminating what is a potentially alien UFO than anybody else.


Do you have ANY real statistics to back that statement up with? Anything...

As just an old and non current pilot, who has known, flown with, and/or gotten seriously drunk with more than few pilots...airline pilots, fighter jocks, crazy loach pilots shot down a couple of times in Laos (miss ya Frank), B-24 100 mission pilots (Thanks COL Jack), USAF hot fighter jocks who spent more than eight years as a guest of the charming NVA (thanks for letting me drive your Porsche Larry), and I totally disagree with that statement. The nature of flying culls the less adept, and just flying ANY aircraft makes you look at things in the sky differently. I really have a hard time imagining career Navy carrier pilots, do you have any idea what a dangerous occupation that is, failing to distinguish a freakin flock of freakin seagulls from some kind of powered vehicle, that lack of SA would have culled them years ago, either dead or taken off flying status.

You don't fly jets off an aircraft carrier for many years without serious Situational Awareness. Those guys are no doubt pretty adept at knowing a seagull from a WTF_PWN_BBQ flying thing.


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#4570791 - 06/03/21 05:54 AM Re: UFO footage from USS Russell - declassified [Re: Mr_Blastman]  
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Some people need to remember that the earth is round, and that things that fly over the horizon disappear from view, not hit the water :/

Anyone can see something they don't understand at first, anyone. Pilots might be more savvy than your average Joe but they're stull subject to it. It's not even limited to pilots, any expert in any field regularly sees stuff related to their field that they don't understand at first.

If the video of narrators being astonished at some hot object flying over the horizon is the standard of proof, then I think we're OK as far as being imminently invaded by Mars or Russians or time travelers.

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#4570857 - 06/03/21 05:28 PM Re: UFO footage from USS Russell - declassified [Re: DM]  
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Originally Posted by DM
Some people need to remember that the earth is round, and that things that fly over the horizon disappear from view, not hit the water :/

Anyone can see something they don't understand at first, anyone. Pilots might be more savvy than your average Joe but they're stull subject to it. It's not even limited to pilots, any expert in any field regularly sees stuff related to their field that they don't understand at first.

If the video of narrators being astonished at some hot object flying over the horizon is the standard of proof, then I think we're OK as far as being imminently invaded by Mars or Russians or time travelers.


did you not see my video of RADAR CONTACTS tracked by the navy that simply disapeared ? do you think it went beyond the horizon and the radar missed it ? FFS !
you think a FLEET is going to mistake seagulls for a unknown contact and track it for one hour when its going by 300 km/h ? that is the fastest seagull ever.

#4570898 - 06/04/21 12:29 AM Re: UFO footage from USS Russell - declassified [Re: Blade_RJ]  
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Originally Posted by Blade_RJ
did you not see my video of RADAR CONTACTS tracked by the navy that simply disapeared ? do you think it went beyond the horizon and the radar missed it ? FFS !


Radar contacts appear & disappear all the time, for all kinds of reasons. Effective correlation circuits are always an ongoing development.

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you think a FLEET is going to mistake seagulls for a unknown contact and track it for one hour when its going by 300 km/h ? that is the fastest seagull ever.


The clip I saw, the laughter & joviality of the operators made it clear that they were tracking something trivial. Like a duck. The clip I saw, the relative velocity doesn't make the duck very fast, only fast if the aircraft were stationary. The duck looks fast in the footage because it's very small, and the sea behind it is exaggerated because of the field of view on the camera. The distance to the duck and the aircraft altitude and the camera angle are not inconsistent with duck probability. These details can be seen on the HUD, where they aren't (possibly) redacted anyway.

Sometimes a duck is a duck, not an alien.


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#4570901 - 06/04/21 12:39 AM Re: UFO footage from USS Russell - declassified [Re: Nixer]  
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Originally Posted by Nixer
Originally Posted by Nimits


Pilots, even fighter pilots, are just normal people with (sometimes) slightly better eyesight and reflexes, that know how to operate the controls of an airplane. They are, on average, no more (or less) adapt at discriminating what is a potentially alien UFO than anybody else.


Do you have ANY real statistics to back that statement up with? Anything...



Only many years of personal experience and decades of aviation accident history.

Am curious what statistics would be relevant either way to assess the accuracy of pilots identifying UFOs, though . . .

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#4570919 - 06/04/21 05:26 AM Re: UFO footage from USS Russell - declassified [Re: DM]  
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Originally Posted by DM
Originally Posted by Blade_RJ
did you not see my video of RADAR CONTACTS tracked by the navy that simply disapeared ? do you think it went beyond the horizon and the radar missed it ? FFS !


Radar contacts appear & disappear all the time, for all kinds of reasons. Effective correlation circuits are always an ongoing development.

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you think a FLEET is going to mistake seagulls for a unknown contact and track it for one hour when its going by 300 km/h ? that is the fastest seagull ever.


The clip I saw, the laughter & joviality of the operators made it clear that they were tracking something trivial. Like a duck. The clip I saw, the relative velocity doesn't make the duck very fast, only fast if the aircraft were stationary. The duck looks fast in the footage because it's very small, and the sea behind it is exaggerated because of the field of view on the camera. The distance to the duck and the aircraft altitude and the camera angle are not inconsistent with duck probability. These details can be seen on the HUD, where they aren't (possibly) redacted anyway.

Sometimes a duck is a duck, not an alien.


so you ignored the video i posted on the last page, i see.

#4570923 - 06/04/21 06:51 AM Re: UFO footage from USS Russell - declassified [Re: Blade_RJ]  
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Originally Posted by Blade_RJ
so you ignored the video i posted on the last page, i see.


I saw it, but I didn't see anything compelling. Without the layered context of a UFO sighting it sounded more like operator training. Some still images, some video of a hot object flying over the horizon. Am I expected to believe the hot object hit the water exactly on the horizon? That's not the most obvious explanation.

It suffers from what all the other videos suffer from - simply a lack of clarity, always a fuzzy IR footage that can have an easy explanation, but presented as if it does not. Showing IR footage alongside radar screen footage as though they are connected, when it is not obvious that they even are. With cameras everywhere, with every adult owning one right in their pocket, still the only evidence is fuzzy IR and choppy radar footage. That's just what I see, I can't make myself see something that isn't there.

Why is there even radar screen footage from a military ship? Isn't that stuff restricted? The primary reason for filming something like that in the first place is for training AAR, which is what it sounded like.

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#4570927 - 06/04/21 07:41 AM Re: UFO footage from USS Russell - declassified [Re: Mr_Blastman]  
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Hey. The free range eggs I got from Walmart the other day I have no evidence they are really free range.

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#4570929 - 06/04/21 07:56 AM Re: UFO footage from USS Russell - declassified [Re: Mr_Blastman]  
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The evidence is growing. Interesting stuff.

#4570942 - 06/04/21 11:58 AM Re: UFO footage from USS Russell - declassified [Re: Blade_RJ]  
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Originally Posted by Blade_RJ
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I see F-18's and seagulls. Plain as day.





So you think the might american navy would waste their time tracking seagulls ?



I think the US Military isnt going to reveal their modern technology.


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#4570950 - 06/04/21 02:36 PM Re: UFO footage from USS Russell - declassified [Re: Mr_Blastman]  
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Not a duck, not a seagull. Claiming so is just straight up trolling.
Probably Chinese tech.

#4570958 - 06/04/21 03:09 PM Re: UFO footage from USS Russell - declassified [Re: Mr_Blastman]  
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Trolling OR fear. Probably both.

#4570964 - 06/04/21 03:31 PM Re: UFO footage from USS Russell - declassified [Re: RossUK]  
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Originally Posted by RossUK
Trolling OR fear. Probably both.

True.

#4570983 - 06/04/21 04:43 PM Re: UFO footage from USS Russell - declassified [Re: DM]  
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Originally Posted by DM
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so you ignored the video i posted on the last page, i see.


I saw it, but I didn't see anything compelling. Without the layered context of a UFO sighting it sounded more like operator training. Some still images, some video of a hot object flying over the horizon. Am I expected to believe the hot object hit the water exactly on the horizon? That's not the most obvious explanation.

It suffers from what all the other videos suffer from - simply a lack of clarity, always a fuzzy IR footage that can have an easy explanation, but presented as if it does not. Showing IR footage alongside radar screen footage as though they are connected, when it is not obvious that they even are. With cameras everywhere, with every adult owning one right in their pocket, still the only evidence is fuzzy IR and choppy radar footage. That's just what I see, I can't make myself see something that isn't there.

Why is there even radar screen footage from a military ship? Isn't that stuff restricted? The primary reason for filming something like that in the first place is for training AAR, which is what it sounded like.


so you didnt watch the video you just skip past it, the video that you claim to be training,leaked from official investigation that is going to the congress, the sensitive military stuff is blurred, nothing new, even gulf war footage still has hidden azimuth and heading of apache footage.
who has cameras everywhere ? survailance cameras look DOWN, no one carries digicams anymore, cellphones cameras use auto focus for close objects, and most people are taking pictures of themselves. But there are quite a few unanswered footage of unknown lights that gets captured on home survailance cams, specially those in more rural areas, since they tend to point more to horizon than down.

#4570985 - 06/04/21 04:46 PM Re: UFO footage from USS Russell - declassified [Re: TerribleTwo]  
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Originally Posted by TerribleTwo



I think the US Military isnt going to reveal their modern technology.


reveal their modern tech ? you mean https://www.reddit.com/r/BirdsArentReal/
its out there already https://www.audubon.org/news/are-bi...nes-so-says-new-conspiracy-theory-making
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#4570986 - 06/04/21 04:48 PM Re: UFO footage from USS Russell - declassified [Re: Mr_Blastman]  
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This thread entered "X-Files territory" a long time ago. wink


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#4570989 - 06/04/21 05:27 PM Re: UFO footage from USS Russell - declassified [Re: PanzerMeyer]  
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Originally Posted by PanzerMeyer
This thread entered "X-Files territory" a long time ago. wink


Originally Posted by PanzerMeyer
This will be my last visit to this thread due to the level of absurdity and stupidity reaching an unbearable level.


And yet, you come back to post sarcastic remarks?

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Originally Posted by RossUK
Originally Posted by PanzerMeyer
This thread entered "X-Files territory" a long time ago. wink


Originally Posted by PanzerMeyer
This will be my last visit to this thread due to the level of absurdity and stupidity reaching an unbearable level.


And yet, you come back to post sarcastic remarks?



Yes. I felt it was quite apropos at this juncture.


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