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#4564391 - 04/15/21 02:06 PM chill31's DR1 and other such wonders  
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Please Please....post here. We can hardly wait!


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#4564402 - 04/15/21 03:32 PM Re: chill31's DR1 and other such wonders [Re: Robert_Wiggins]  
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Under the "Other such wonders..."

As I've hinted before, and without admitted deep details... I have work for a major International carrier for the past 28 years. I have had the luck and fortune of at one time being one of few that worked on the Concorde and I've held approvals on classics such as the 747-100/200 and our now retired 400 as well as the 777 200/300 variants.

Recently due to Covid, the company laid-off our deep core of senior Engineers and many others decided before doing that, it was time to retire. Long story short... I was able to survive the deep cuts and transferred into another department to safe-haven until things go back to normal. As lockers were emptied, and stuff left behind.... this "fell" into my lap.

It is (in my humble opinion) Doctor Jones's "Grail Diary" of Commercial Aviation. It's a hand-written page-by-page diary/reference book of all the systems on the Concorde. How they operate, where the control boxes are, why they exist and how to use them from both Pilot and Engineer perspective.

I am considering trying to hunt down the owner's family, as I have heard the original author has long since passed away, as has his son who also worked for un-said airline.

But until then, it will be passed on to a dear friend who knew the author, worked on and was properly licensed on the Concorde for a larger part of his long and extensive career.


While I have it, I will be taking as many pictures as possible for my own memories. But here are just a small few. I'll take more and add them in another time.


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#4564406 - 04/15/21 03:53 PM Re: chill31's DR1 and other such wonders [Re: Robert_Wiggins]  
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Ah, that is so cool OV. It's the kind of thing you stunble upon once in a life time, if ever. Glad to see you are concerned about it's survival and a proper home in the future!

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#4564414 - 04/15/21 04:23 PM Fokker Dr.I stuff [Re: Robert_Wiggins]  
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For those interested in WWI replica aircraft, here are a few links and videos you might find interesting.

First, this is the facebook page where I post pictures and videos of projects and happenings at my group " Knights of the Sky." Lots of projects going on, and hopefully some of them will be taking shape a little faster this year. Of note, we will be building a Nieuport 17 and SE5a, both powered by original engines.

Here is a little video of what goes on inside the cockpit when flying the Dr.I:


This is a compilation of all of the video I have from our air to air shoot with the Dr.I. I think Mikael Carlson and I are the only people in the world doing aerobatics behind rotary engines. I find it pretty entertaining to watch from the outside, and I'm looking forward to getting some air to air video of an actual dogfight this year.


If there is something in particular you want to see, let me know. The main reason I started flying the Dr.I and pursued the rotary engine was to be able to share it with others.

#4564415 - 04/15/21 04:29 PM Re: chill31's DR1 and other such wonders [Re: OvStachel]  
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Originally Posted by OvStachel
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While I have it, I will be taking as many pictures as possible for my own memories. But here are just a small few. I'll take more and add them in another time.



Well, Dr1's laid aside momentarily...that has got to be one of the coolest - and without doubt most unique - pieces of aviation history ever.

What a treasure. Thank you for sharing that.

I'm afraid all my stuff is just memories, most of which occurred long before most anyone walked about with a high-resolution camera in their pocket. Shame. I have a few photos, but nothing that even comes close to that.

( biggrin biggrin biggrin I do have some lava rocks from Mt Etna, which I acquired while deployed with Patrol Squadron 49 in Sigonella Sicily. But I think that's stretching even the most remote sense of 'aviation related' lol)

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#4564418 - 04/15/21 04:49 PM Re: chill31's DR1 and other such wonders [Re: Robert_Wiggins]  
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Chill, are those full scale replicas/reconstructions? the fact that you have working rotary engines... consider my mind blown!


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#4564425 - 04/15/21 04:59 PM Re: chill31's DR1 and other such wonders [Re: HumanDrone]  
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Originally Posted by HumanDrone
Chill, are those full scale replicas/reconstructions? the fact that you have working rotary engines... consider my mind blown!

Yes sir, all full scale and done with a high level of accuracy to the original

#4564428 - 04/15/21 05:20 PM Re: chill31's DR1 and other such wonders [Re: Robert_Wiggins]  
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OK, clearly it's time for a road trip down to Griffin, Georgia. Chill, that is outstanding! salute

OvS, you bring that treasure of yours along so we can all get a firsthand gander at that as well. biggrin

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#4564436 - 04/15/21 05:31 PM Re: chill31's DR1 and other such wonders [Re: Robert_Wiggins]  
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Hey Chill, it's hard to tell from the videos, but when you turn to check your six, how much can you see? like can you turn your body to a see directly behind you or are you limited by the seatbelts (or other pulling/pushing forces) to like 110 degrees turning your head for example? I'm asking because I want to set up my trackir like how it was in real life.

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#4564455 - 04/15/21 07:07 PM Re: chill31's DR1 and other such wonders [Re: orbyxP]  
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Originally Posted by orbyxP
Hey Chill, it's hard to tell from the videos, but when you turn to check your six, how much can you see? like can you turn your body to a see directly behind you or are you limited by the seatbelts (or other pulling/pushing forces) to like 110 degrees turning your head for example? I'm asking because I want to set up my trackir like how it was in real life.


It is not like in the sim. When I fly sims, I feel like an owl that can see directly behind itself. In the plane, especially the Dr1, you have to keep one hand on the stick, and that makes it a little more challenging to turn right versus left. I also know that pilots in WWI kept their shoulder straps quite loose in order to allow them to look around easily. I probably keep mine more restrictive than if I was fighting for my life.

Based on my experience (I wondered the same question) I think a good approximation is about 150-160 degrees of rotation. You should be able to just see the whole rudder when looking over your shoulder. If you can comfortably see everything behind you, it is not restricted enough.

I'll see if I can get a picture of my field of view for you.

#4564461 - 04/15/21 07:46 PM Re: chill31's DR1 and other such wonders [Re: Robert_Wiggins]  
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I think even birds stopped flying long enough to watch that display of aerial mastery.

#4564469 - 04/15/21 08:13 PM Re: chill31's DR1 and other such wonders [Re: Robert_Wiggins]  
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I'm amazed... that thing can turn on a sixpence!!!

#4564474 - 04/15/21 08:30 PM Re: chill31's DR1 and other such wonders [Re: Robert_Wiggins]  
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Wonderful video Chill31, what a beautiful aircraft it is.

#4564490 - 04/15/21 09:36 PM Re: chill31's DR1 and other such wonders [Re: Robert_Wiggins]  
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Uggh! Not to be "that guy" that pesters you with questions when you just want to chill on the forums...but you seems to be able to turn in a level plane without too much trouble. If you don't mind my asking, what are the gyroscopic forces like turning left vs. right and how much do you have to compensate for that and how does it compare to WOFF native?


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#4564496 - 04/15/21 10:08 PM Re: chill31's DR1 and other such wonders [Re: Rick_Rawlings]  
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Originally Posted by Rick_Rawlings
Uggh! Not to be "that guy" that pesters you with questions when you just want to chill on the forums...but you seems to be able to turn in a level plane without too much trouble. If you don't mind my asking, what are the gyroscopic forces like turning left vs. right and how much do you have to compensate for that and how does it compare to WOFF native?



I don’t mind questions at all! To answer yours, it is easier to turn right because it requires less coordination. You can roll and pull simultaneously and the gyroscopic forces will assist you in entering the turn. When turning left, you need to set the bank first before pulling, which adds about 1 second to the turn time versus turning right, or you you will struggle getting the nose down. High turn rates require almost full rudder.

The Dr.I has a tendency to over bank in the turn, so you have a little opposaileron held the whole time.

The stock Dr.I is a fun representation, but it doesn't feel like I'm flying the real deal. I am busy on the FM, and I am close to having something that will give you a more realistic experience. Then you can see for yourself!

#4564497 - 04/15/21 10:23 PM Re: chill31's DR1 and other such wonders [Re: Robert_Wiggins]  
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Looking forward to the FM tweaks Chill. It will also be interesting what effect the LeRhone 120 has on left/right turns in your real Dr.1, compared to the previous (80 hp ?? if I'm not mistaken) model that you had mounted.

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#4564502 - 04/15/21 11:46 PM Re: chill31's DR1 and other such wonders [Re: Chill31]  
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Originally Posted by Chill31
Originally Posted by Rick_Rawlings
Uggh! Not to be "that guy" that pesters you with questions when you just want to chill on the forums...but you seems to be able to turn in a level plane without too much trouble. If you don't mind my asking, what are the gyroscopic forces like turning left vs. right and how much do you have to compensate for that and how does it compare to WOFF native?



I don’t mind questions at all! To answer yours, it is easier to turn right because it requires less coordination. You can roll and pull simultaneously and the gyroscopic forces will assist you in entering the turn. When turning left, you need to set the bank first before pulling, which adds about 1 second to the turn time versus turning right, or you you will struggle getting the nose down. High turn rates require almost full rudder.

The Dr.I has a tendency to over bank in the turn, so you have a little opposaileron held the whole time.

The stock Dr.I is a fun representation, but it doesn't feel like I'm flying the real deal. I am busy on the FM, and I am close to having something that will give you a more realistic experience. Then you can see for yourself!



Thank you!


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#4564516 - 04/16/21 01:21 AM Re: chill31's DR1 and other such wonders [Re: Robert_Wiggins]  
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Excellent stuff Chill, love the in cockpit views and the turn comparison video..subscribed thumbsup but make way for the true Aerobatics master..i give you Ernst Udet biggrin ...How good does everything look in BHaH II? including the skins Yours OVS or one of James?

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#4564518 - 04/16/21 01:44 AM Re: chill31's DR1 and other such wonders [Re: Robert_Wiggins]  
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Chill I have long been wondering about the DR1 capability to do flat turns and how tight the circumference of the circle path would be.

I was always fascinated with the tale of Voss having done a snap flat turn but I suspect the description was overzealous.

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#4564530 - 04/16/21 04:35 AM Re: chill31's DR1 and other such wonders [Re: Chill31]  
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Originally Posted by Chill31
I am busy on the FM, and I am close to having something that will give you a more realistic experience. Then you can see for yourself!


Very cool of you! Thank you, Chill.

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