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#4562332 - 04/03/21 08:50 AM WEP  
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Remember WEP frm original EAW can I get it on this vers??


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#4562339 - 04/03/21 11:01 AM Re: WEP [Re: tonymarony]  
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"WEP", remind me.

#4562340 - 04/03/21 11:19 AM Re: WEP [Re: tonymarony]  
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War Emergency Power.

Don't recall having that, ever.


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#4562341 - 04/03/21 11:24 AM Re: WEP [Re: tonymarony]  
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We have that with Knegel Flight Models - It is great !

MW50 rules !

Lolo


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#4562342 - 04/03/21 11:49 AM Re: WEP [Re: tonymarony]  
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Ctrl-0 seems to be the toggle switch for planes that have WEP.
Lolo, do you know what setting it is in the flight model?


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#4562343 - 04/03/21 11:54 AM Re: WEP [Re: tonymarony]  
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from my notes (1.28 version ?) :

There is now a "War Emergency Power," or "WEP" key. This only work for planes that are modeled with WEP!! The WEP toggle key is the "Throttle 100%" key. To set this key, from the main menu go to Configure game --> Control --> Advanced --> Flight and click on the line that says "Throttle 100%." Then click on the key you want to use. When you start a game, WEP is available by default. By pushing "Throttle 100%", you will deactivate it, then the Max Throttle will be reduced to a value where the engine wont overheat in normal flight (if you park on the runway with max throttle, the engine still might overheat). Pushing "Throttle 100%" again will re-enable the maximum possible Throttle.
This should help you to fly with the best plane performance, without cocking your engine. If you take a look at the rpm, you will see that only a little reduction in throttle is needed to prevent overheating.


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#4562344 - 04/03/21 11:59 AM Re: WEP [Re: tonymarony]  
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Regarding how do you model it in the FM - From my various saved notes :

b) Airgrid "corner speed"
This was a not used value, its now the "min speed of smalest engine heating".
If "a" is set to zero;
The plane use full throttle and fly faster than the adjusted speed, it wont overheat at all, but the temperature will climb rather high.
The plane use full throttle and fly slower than the adjusted speed, it will overheat.
The plane use reduced throttle and fly faster than the adjusted speed, it will cool down fast and much.
The plane use reduced throttle and fly slower than the adjusted speed, it wont overheat, but the temperature will climb rather high.
This is for planes without WEP, like the 109G6, Hutti1a, Spit1a and A6m Zero.
The planes only will overheat while and long slow/steep climb or combat.
While adjusting this a good starting point is the best climb speed(150 mph +- 15 mph for most WWII planes). Planes without WEP could often
fly continues with max power, as long as they had enough speed to cool the engine. At slow speed they did overheat as well.


If "a" is bigger than zero;
The plane use full throttle and fly faster than the adjusted speed, it will overheat same like in EAW1.2.
The plane use full throttle and fly slower than the adjusted speed, it will overheat very fast.
The plane use reduced throttle and fly faster than the adjusted speed, it will cool down fast and much.
The plane use reduced throttle and fly slower than the adjusted speed, it wont overheat, but the temperature will climb rather high.
If the trottle get reduced much, the temperature will sink much.
Planes with WEP had a limited time to fly with full power, the needed throttle reduction is very smal to be able to fly continues,
the different is not that big(around 15 mph in Vmax).
A good point is to start with an credible cruise speed, but it depends to the allowed usage time.
The FW190D9, Ta152H and Bf109G14/10/K4 had a rather long time to use "SonderNot", while many other planes only had 1-5 Minutes.
As shorter the time of usage, as higher the "corner speed" should get adjusted.
With this feature we can create the different between planes like the La7 and La5, both has the same max poweroutput, but the la5 only
could use it for 1-3 Minutes and it couldnt climb with it, while the La7 could use it for 5-10 minutes and it could climb with it.
This also is good for the 109F4 and 109G. The 109G got its WEP only in 1944 when the MW50 Sondernot already got introduced, while the 109F4
had WEP already in 1942. The 109F was a similar performing plane like the 109G, but only with WEP, without the 109G was better(1150PS vs 1350 PS).

Similar its with the SpitIXc vs the 109G, the Spit had WEP, and with this performence it was better, without WEP it was rather the other way around.
Also the FW190A, P51´s, P38´s and P47´s had WEP, without they wasnt that good anymore.

I hope it will help - never tried it myself

Lolo

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#4562346 - 04/03/21 12:06 PM Re: WEP [Re: tonymarony]  
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Thanx for help you guysCheers😎


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#4562348 - 04/03/21 12:09 PM Re: WEP [Re: tonymarony]  
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Code
					if (pPlane->Type->BaseWeight >= 1)
						wep = 1;
					if (pPlane->Type->BaseWeight == 1)
						wep1min = 1;
					if (pPlane->Type->BaseWeight == 2)
						mw50 = 1;


The BaseWeight is the "empty weight" in "Plane.dat" and Ralf has used it with two special cases (1 and 2)

I checked some FMs and found that it was used in the Dora and the Ta152H, but not in the P51D which is supposed to have it.


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#4562352 - 04/03/21 12:46 PM Re: WEP [Re: tonymarony]  
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Good info, thanks.

I knew it wasn't used but I had no idea the "empty weight " was re-purposed so I'm going to take a look at some of the FM's to get a feel for this WEP thing.

On a related note in case anyone wants get involved in flight modeling, there is a parameter in the plne.flt file called "mass fuel" that has been re-purposed to allow for floatplanes. It is set to zero to allow water landings.

Also, the floatplanes all have fixed undercarriges which has a tick box in the plane.dat file. There is a bit of a problem with this though. Generally speaking, the amount of drag added is way too high but there is a fix.

In the plne.flt file the parameter "Drag Stab 5 Gear" is usually around -12. You can reduce this number to balance out the drag. I start at -6, see how it files and go from there.


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