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#4561440 - 03/26/21 11:12 PM Re: WOFF BH&H II is Coming Soon! [Re: Polovski]  
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I recently bought WoFF PE and I am very happy with it. i was wondering seeing as the release date for the new version is so close if someone would please post in simple terms what it is that would entice PE owners to buy the new one please. How is it better exactly?

#4561441 - 03/26/21 11:39 PM Re: WOFF BH&H II is Coming Soon! [Re: Baxter]  
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Originally Posted by Baxter
I recently bought WoFF PE and I am very happy with it. i was wondering seeing as the release date for the new version is so close if someone would please post in simple terms what it is that would entice PE owners to buy the new one please. How is it better exactly?


Devs will be posting a full Features list sometime soon, however as a Beta tester I can give you a few good reasons off the top of my head.

Multiple AI Improvements: Superior low altitude fighting and survival skills. Better at breaking out of landing mode and attacking if you even approach their airbase. More realistic dive behaviors. More aggressive gunfire when a reasonable chance of hitting is possible but no wild-random firing.
Better in cockpit immersions: Optional googles with dirt, blood, cracking and rain effects on them. Numerous sound improvements for both the players aircraft and the AI,
Nicely improved flight model too. Doesn't have the on rails feeling at all.
Improved graphical terrain blending and performance.
Lots of nice campaign features added like the ability to choose your own aircraft type from the list available in the squadron.

There's lots more but the end result comes together to be far greater than the sum of its parts. As I said, the devs should be listing a full set of Features soon. It is a significant upgrade all around for the sim though.






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#4561442 - 03/26/21 11:41 PM Re: WOFF BH&H II is Coming Soon! [Re: Baxter]  
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Originally Posted by Baxter
I recently bought WoFF PE and I am very happy with it. i was wondering seeing as the release date for the new version is so close if someone would please post in simple terms what it is that would entice PE owners to buy the new one please. How is it better exactly?


EDIT: Hellshade posted as I was typing, but I will leave this up anyway...

There are a number of things talked about on the OverFlandersFields Website - pay particular attention to the "News" section on right hand side and developmental updates: https://www.overflandersfields.com/
There are also a number of items brought up and mentioned all through this thread: https://SimHQ.com/forum/ubbthreads....2-thread-was-woff2021-thread#Post4520759 --- and some indeed in this very thread you posted in (plus lots of videos and pics by beta testers floating around too).

I am sure they will include detailed information on the products page sometime very very soon as well. smile2

Gosh, you perhaps picked a bad time to purchase PE as BHaH II is literally days away from release.

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#4561447 - 03/27/21 12:36 AM Re: WOFF BH&H II is Coming Soon! [Re: Polovski]  
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Indeed, Banana Ham and Hummus Two is looking like an improvement based on what I'm reading and seeing from those videos.


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#4561458 - 03/27/21 06:49 AM Re: WOFF BH&H II is Coming Soon! [Re: Hellshade]  
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Originally Posted by Hellshade
Originally Posted by Baxter
I recently bought WoFF PE and I am very happy with it. i was wondering seeing as the release date for the new version is so close if someone would please post in simple terms what it is that would entice PE owners to buy the new one please. How is it better exactly?


Devs will be posting a full Features list sometime soon, however as a Beta tester I can give you a few good reasons off the top of my head.

Multiple AI Improvements: Superior low altitude fighting and survival skills. Better at breaking out of landing mode and attacking if you even approach their airbase. More realistic dive behaviors. More aggressive gunfire when a reasonable chance of hitting is possible but no wild-random firing.
Better in cockpit immersions: Optional googles with dirt, blood, cracking and rain effects on them. Numerous sound improvements for both the players aircraft and the AI,
Nicely improved flight model too. Doesn't have the on rails feeling at all.
Improved graphical terrain blending and performance.
Lots of nice campaign features added like the ability to choose your own aircraft type from the list available in the squadron.

There's lots more but the end result comes together to be far greater than the sum of its parts. As I said, the devs should be listing a full set of Features soon. It is a significant upgrade all around for the sim though.








Im so in for that!!!!! But, but no more Aerodrome bouncing?😭😭😭
Gimme Gimme Gimme...pretty please!


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#4561587 - 03/28/21 01:37 PM Re: WOFF BH&H II is Coming Soon! [Re: Polovski]  
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will BHaH II be a stand alone ?

#4561589 - 03/28/21 01:40 PM Re: WOFF BH&H II is Coming Soon! [Re: Polovski]  
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yes...no...maybe...possibly...not sure...could be...or not...still deciding...looking into it...then again...

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#4561600 - 03/28/21 03:32 PM Re: WOFF BH&H II is Coming Soon! [Re: Polovski]  
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I reckon WOFF being taken off sale and PE being on sale only till June is a pretty clear sign that it is both a standalone and the new iteration going forward.


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#4561601 - 03/28/21 03:35 PM Re: WOFF BH&H II is Coming Soon! [Re: olddog]  
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Originally Posted by olddog
will BHaH II be a stand alone ?


I would conclude that it will be standalone since the UE ed. of WOFF is no longer available for purchase - thus no presence of a required upgrade/add-on path to get to the future, newest ver. of WOFF.

The PE package is still available for purchase until the end of June of this year, by the way, for those who already have UE and wish to upgrade to PE. (See main WOFF website for details.) Also no pricing available yet - recommended is to check the main WOFF website regularly as the calendar hurtles towards imminent release of BHAH.II.

Happy flying,
Von S smile2

P.S. I also reckon that NotRelevant's comments are most relevant.

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#4561603 - 03/28/21 04:01 PM Re: WOFF BH&H II is Coming Soon! [Re: Polovski]  
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I agree VonS, NotRelevant's comments do indeed seem quite relevant. biggrin

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#4561604 - 03/28/21 04:12 PM Re: WOFF BH&H II is Coming Soon! [Re: Polovski]  
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Guess that's kind of irony I bring to the table at times, eh? Haha.


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#4561605 - 03/28/21 04:34 PM Re: WOFF BH&H II is Coming Soon! [Re: RAF_Louvert]  
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Originally Posted by RAF_Louvert
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yes...no...maybe...possibly...not sure...could be...or not...still deciding...looking into it...then again...

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You sound about as positive as my squadron leader, Lou old boy!

#4561606 - 03/28/21 04:34 PM Re: WOFF BH&H II is Coming Soon! [Re: Polovski]  
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From what I have seen so far (Beta vids) and read in the Forum, the changes are major. Maybe most of these are hidden under the hood of this beautiful crafted sim, but from my understanding it justifies a new standalone version.


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#4561620 - 03/28/21 06:28 PM Re: WOFF BH&H II is Coming Soon! [Re: Polovski]  
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Agreed. From what I've seen and read the changes are indeed pretty major, so a standalone is justified. Plus, the devs do need funds if they are to keep devving, and we do want to see this wonderous sim keep expanding, maybe get some new additions, aircraft, all that in the future, aye?

Aaand if not, well... Bottom line is, it looks to be that devs chose it to be standalone, so that's just how it's gonna be. In the end it's up to them.


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#4561649 - 03/28/21 10:37 PM Re: WOFF BH&H II is Coming Soon! [Re: Polovski]  
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@LtCasey and Relevant, agreed - BHAH.II looks like a major overhaul and therefore it's most practical that it be a standalone product. Also important to test will be mod. compatibility (have now opened a separate sub-thread for BHAH.II mod-compatibility over on the relevant CombatAce forums for BHAH.II - to facilitate ease-of-access to mod. info., particularly mods. not hosted on Sandbaggers website).

Among other things, and based on Hellshade's experience/comments from beta testing - the FMs are different now too (from stock UE/PE FMs) - so I have to compare stock xfm files in WOFF PE with stock xfm files in BHAH.II once it comes out. If the FM changes are under-the-hood in BHAH.II and the stock xfms still carry forward the same stock data from the PE-ed., then in theory it will be workable to side-load, via JSGME, my FM mods. - since they will merely amplify the already great FM changes that have happened under the hood.

In case the FM changes have also been leveraged via changes to the aircraft xfm files - I will then re-evaluate whether or not it is worth it to maintain FM-mod. compatibility going forward or simply to retire those packs for PE./UE eds. of WOFF. Similar logic will apply to the WOFF GPU Tuner Patch - will have to test FPS in stock BHAH.II, then to compare with the Tuner Patch loaded, etc. - if differences are no longer as noticeable in FPS with or without the Tuner Patch loaded - because of further FPS optimizations in BHAH.II - then the Tuner Patch will perhaps be retired too.

(Also possible with the Tuner Patch is that the one made for WOTR will become the correct one to use, depending again on how much of the under-the-hood code/machinery has been leveraged from advancements in WOTR, etc. - can't say anything further on that for now until I've done some actual, hands-on testing.)

More info. on all that under the relevant mod sub-thread for BHAH.II on CombatAce once BHAH.II is released and once I have had an opportunity to test such things (https://combatace.com/forums/topic/95914-woff-bhh-2-mods-compatibility-lists-mod-faqs-etc/),

Happy mod-testing times ahead,
Von S smile2

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#4561860 - 03/30/21 02:33 PM Re: WOFF BH&H II is Coming Soon! [Re: NotRelevant]  
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Originally Posted by NotRelevant
Agreed. From what I've seen and read the changes are indeed pretty major, so a standalone is justified. Plus, the devs do need funds if they are to keep devving, and we do want to see this wonderous sim keep expanding, maybe get some new additions, aircraft, all that in the future, aye?

Aaand if not, well... Bottom line is, it looks to be that devs chose it to be standalone, so that's just how it's gonna be. In the end it's up to them.


Sure, it is their decision and I will buy it either way, tbh - so this isn't me personally making a major complaint.

However, the cautionary note is look at what was written on the April 9, 2020 developmental update on the OBD Software website. You don't want to be that person who purchased WOFF under the pretense that was stated there (read it) -- so from purely a follow-through/goodwill perspective, they probably should either have it as an "upgrade" or offer both as I suggested before. -- and I am guessing they may have forgotten what was written there (and I get it, things change - but that ought to be addressed on their site if they go stand-alone only from a business perspective (and I am sure they will).

But like I said, personally, I am buying either way - it looks to be terrific! cheers

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#4561881 - 03/30/21 05:32 PM Re: WOFF BH&H II is Coming Soon! [Re: Polovski]  
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I see part of wording of the April 9, 2020 developmental update now removed - so that pretty much guarantees it will be a stand alone release only.


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#4561893 - 03/30/21 07:38 PM Re: WOFF BH&H II is Coming Soon! [Re: Polovski]  
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Could it have been that it was originally meant an expansion but the changes grew to be big enough for them to wish for it to be the new base iteration?


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#4561895 - 03/30/21 07:58 PM Re: WOFF BH&H II is Coming Soon! [Re: Polovski]  
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Any word in multiple Installations? E.g. woffpe and BH+H2? Or do we have to remove WOFF?


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#4561897 - 03/30/21 08:11 PM Re: WOFF BH&H II is Coming Soon! [Re: NotRelevant]  
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Originally Posted by NotRelevant
Could it have been that it was originally meant an expansion but the changes grew to be big enough for them to wish for it to be the new base iteration?


Absolutely, I am sure that is what happened. Just, idk if you caught the full text on their site and what was written - I guess it mostly effects anyone who purchased from April 9th until today who were going to perhaps hold off on buying WOFF (because they knew some new development was underfoot), but were told not to - to buy WOFF anyway as WOFF would be required for the update - as per stated on the website (now removed). -- and not every purchaser is on the forums either. The situation doesn't personally impact me as I have had the game and each edition since the very start -- but there are likely others who may indeed be in the situation I just described...

That's all. Don't shoot the messenger.
(people can work out their own ethics now about the situation and how it is handled or will be handled)


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