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#4560569 - 03/19/21 02:03 AM Re: College Degrees [Re: PanzerMeyer]  
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BA in Geography - Urban Planning. Never worked a day in this field as pay sucked unless you had a Masters at the time. This was after originally working on a BBA in Accounting, but found it way too boring. Worked full time and went to university part time my last 2 years so they took 4 years. Worked jobs in management and sales. Then decided one day to find something that was in real demand and I enjoyed, so I became a Refrigeration and Air Conditioning Mechanic. Worked on many different things and aspects of the trade. Shortage of qualified workers so work is steady. No regrets......make lots of money. Likely will start my own gig at one point.

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#4560570 - 03/19/21 02:05 AM Re: College Degrees [Re: LB4LB]  
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Originally Posted by LB4LB
Funny now it seems that a Bachler's degree is not enough anymore. One needs to obtain a Master's now in many, if not most fields. I used to work with lots of people who were working full time salaried positions (which means 50 to 60 hours a week now), had families of their own, and were going to school for their MBA's. It seemed the only way they could remain "competitive" in the work force today.

Although MBA's seem to be everywhere now. That will probably lose it's value soon too.


Pretty sure this has already happened. Lots of book smart people that have master's degrees yet have no significant job experience and lack social skills and common sense.

#4560585 - 03/19/21 10:31 AM Re: College Degrees [Re: WolverineFW]  
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Originally Posted by WolverineFW


Pretty sure this has already happened. Lots of book smart people that have master's degrees yet have no significant job experience and lack social skills and common sense.


The ones with MA's in stuff like Classical Latin and Philosophy and who also have social skills end up working at Starbucks. wink


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#4560604 - 03/19/21 02:10 PM Re: College Degrees [Re: PanzerMeyer]  
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Both Aldo and Wolverine bring up a couple of valid points.

Aldo's point about the stuff that is available on the internet, "Given the current knowledge that can be found on the internet, I view a current collage education as a purchased internship or tutorial" is spot on. Half of my online class materials direct you to videos on the internet.

Wolverine became an refrigeration and a/c guy. I just told an 18 year old that I know that she, she's really mechanical for a girl, should think about passing on college and go to a trade to school to become an electrician.



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#4560607 - 03/19/21 02:16 PM Re: College Degrees [Re: PanzerMeyer]  
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I can tell you for a fact that licensed refrigeration/AC technicians in South Florida make really good money and are extremely busy. Between the booming population growth and of course the climate, there is no shortage of demand.


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#4560755 - 03/20/21 09:27 PM Re: College Degrees [Re: PanzerMeyer]  
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Originally Posted by PanzerMeyer
I can tell you for a fact that licensed refrigeration/AC technicians in South Florida make really good money and are extremely busy. Between the booming population growth and of course the climate, there is no shortage of demand.


I hear the opposite about HVAC/R techs in Florida.....that they make poor wages unless they do large commercial or industrial. As for the busy part....all of them are.

#4560756 - 03/20/21 09:28 PM Re: College Degrees [Re: PanzerMeyer]  
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Originally Posted by PanzerMeyer
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Pretty sure this has already happened. Lots of book smart people that have master's degrees yet have no significant job experience and lack social skills and common sense.


The ones with MA's in stuff like Classical Latin and Philosophy and who also have social skills end up working at Starbucks. wink

Lol...that is because they are still lacking common sense....

#4560758 - 03/20/21 09:47 PM Re: College Degrees [Re: PanzerMeyer]  
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I can imagine the the HVAC business has gone the way of many other business's. Far less independently owned and operated. Those are the guys really making the big bucks. The bigger HVAC companies with large staffs probably don't pay all that great for a new guy just starting out. In the old days that was called paying your dues. Today I think it's probably worse. I have had a lot experience with HVAC/Electrician guys who worked on some of the larger Data Centers that I have worked on. Those guys worked very hard and were very skilled. It was not a job for a nervous person or someone who didn't like to sweat and get dirty.

#4560798 - 03/21/21 05:43 AM Re: College Degrees [Re: PanzerMeyer]  
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Skilled trades is defiantly making a comeback. The other day, I noticed a road side sign for a mid/small size contractor offering $15 to $40 per hour for finish carpenters. And that is Detroit burbs (Waterford), not SF or Austin. I did not realize carpentry had recovered to the level of the late 70's / early 80's. If your offering $40/hr, it is hard to stay independent.


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#4560867 - 03/21/21 08:49 PM Re: College Degrees [Re: PanzerMeyer]  
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My BS reflects a "going with the flow" attitude. I didn't really care for life sciences, but picked Biochem because my parents wanted me to be a doctor and I didn't mind studying and didn't consider saying no. Towards the end of my BS degree I realized computers had some more appeal, so I went for MS in the same school. Granted, I doubt that getting MS would make that much difference now (only exceptions could be government contracts where they specifically want advanced degrees).

BS in Biochemistry - never used, probably never will.

MS in Comp Sci - ended up being my career path. So far 20+ years in. However, there was very little that we studied in school that is used day to day. This is still not something I "care for", but it pays the bills.

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#4588393 - 01/03/22 12:58 AM Re: College Degrees [Re: vonBaur]  
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Originally Posted by vonBaur
Originally Posted by LB4LB
Bachelor of Science Information Systems. It's so old that I hardly think it even matters anymore. There were still old punch card systems back then. Worked in IT for decades. I worked with many who had degrees not related to IT at all. In the old days, there were many who never went to college a day in their lives. Those were some of the best talents I ever saw. Too bad now days most of those type of guys wouldn't even get a HR interview because they didn't have the right credentials. Pay to play is in full effect now.

It's all part of the growth of elitism. In the old days your social standing was based on your family tree, now it's on whether or not you have that little piece of paper. Have it and you're in, don't and you're out. Personal merit and capability has little or nothing to do with it.

Deal with this just about every interview. Spent 25 years running a business and employed as many as 20 people at one time but the small businesses are worried I will try to take their accounts and start a new business and the larger businesses do not think I am capable of being management because I do not have a college degree. I also have no desire to be a machinist again either. Especially when a journeyman machinist is expected to work for as low as $20 dollars an hour whereas Starbucks, Walmart, and several other employers are starting their trainees at $17 an hour. Not likely to lose a finger as a Walmart greeter or Starbuck's barista...


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#4602999 - 07/06/22 01:25 AM Re: College Degrees [Re: PanzerMeyer]  
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Apparently, your fate has led you to another road, but everything is much simpler for me. Since childhood, I have wanted to study economics and be an economist. I enrolled with my friend at asa florida college. We really like studying here because it is clear and effective. I think that we will put all the knowledge and experience we get here into practice. I can't speak for other universities or colleges because I don't have friends who would have entered the Faculty of Economics. So I plan to become a successful economist and do everything for this. I hope all my plans are realized!

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#4603014 - 07/06/22 10:51 AM Re: College Degrees [Re: PanzerMeyer]  
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#4603034 - 07/06/22 03:31 PM Re: College Degrees [Re: PanzerMeyer]  
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Have I used all the degrees? Sorta. While I didn't use my Business degree being a career military officer I don't think that College is a complete waste of time. Its all in what you put into the experience. I would argue that I learned more about life just being a broke college student and dealing with problems on my own. It took me 6 years to get a 4 year degree because I was living on my own at 18 and working a 30-40 hour work week. When I finally made it out of college and commissioned, I pulled through the gate at Tyndall, popped my first salute on Active Duty, and had my muffler blow off my car as I drove through the gate. I had $167 in my savings, but I was able to make it work. The whole "college experience" taught me a lot of things outside of the classroom. But, I still had a few instructors that stick with me, even today. Education is never a waste. How certain countries view degrees and education plays a lot into many of the problems that some have stated here. Nevertheless, interesting topic.

#4603037 - 07/06/22 04:34 PM Re: College Degrees [Re: PanzerMeyer]  
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Great personal story Lucky. Thanks for sharing that.

And while college is not a complete waste of time for all career paths and in fact is quite necessary for some of those career paths, there's also something to be said about the problem of people borrowing 100k or more to get a degree in something like Art History, Classical Latin or Anthropology.


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#4603087 - 07/07/22 11:15 AM Re: College Degrees [Re: PanzerMeyer]  
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#4603094 - 07/07/22 01:15 PM Re: College Degrees [Re: PanzerMeyer]  
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Another bot bumped thread, but I enjoyed the re-read.

Glad my wife majored in accounting with electives in nutrition, astronomy, aerobics, and some other cool stuff I don't remember.

This did not exist in the 80's (not until 2010, I think)...
https://lsu.edu/hss/wgs/index.php

And they're considering making some of it mandatory.

Change is happening with building names and such, and with crime in area rising. So I stay away now (shame, because I really liked walking the campus on a lazy Sunday afternoon).



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#4603095 - 07/07/22 01:19 PM Re: College Degrees [Re: MarkG]  
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Originally Posted by MarkG


Glad my wife majored in accounting with electives in nutrition, astronomy, aerobics, and some other cool stuff I don't remember.

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Looks to me like her major was the "real world bread winner" choice and her electives were chosen "just for fun". biggrin


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Originally Posted by PanzerMeyer
Looks to me like her major was the "real world bread winner" choice and her electives were chosen "just for fun". biggrin


Exactly. Although accounting isn't technically considered STEM, it's still a Bachelor Of Science degree.

EDIT: I guess it is now: "In 2021, the House of Representatives introduced a bill that classified accounting as STEM for official purposes."



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Originally Posted by MarkG
EDIT: I guess it is now: "In 2021, the House of Representatives introduced a bill that classified accounting as STEM for official purposes."


It's hilarious that a bunch who don't know anything about accounting would do that.


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