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#4559766 - 03/13/21 06:28 PM Re: WOFF BH&H2 thread (Was WOFF2021 Thread) [Re: Hellshade]  
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When you say "It's pretty simple no matter what language you speak", it seems pretty obvious what you were referring to. If not, it's certainly a remarkable coincidence you only said that *after* I made the comment about language.

And it implies someone doesn't "understand" the value that (according to you) this sim is, just because of speaking another language. That's insulting. His opinion of the value of the upgrade has absolutely nothing to do with his nationality or language.

Whatever. Let the reader decide. I'm pretty sure it's not that hard to see what I'm saying.

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#4559768 - 03/13/21 06:31 PM Re: WOFF BH&H2 thread (Was WOFF2021 Thread) [Re: Trooper117]  
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Originally Posted by Trooper117
It's the internet... things are so easily misunderstood.
If we were in the pub talking face to face about it we would understand each other no problem... (unless of course one of you bounders were spiking my pink gin) biggrin


Absolutely. I think a lot of the comments concerning Asam71's points originate in misunderstanding of what he's (trying hard) to say. The guy's been attacked ever since he first posted on the forum, in my observation, just because he speaks his mind.

#4559771 - 03/13/21 06:38 PM Re: WOFF BH&H2 thread (Was WOFF2021 Thread) [Re: Hellshade]  
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Kksnowbear..behave yourself will you for once,yes it was coincidence and again you’ve taken it out of context for your own agenda...you were on block..I didn’t even read your comment, and now you’ve taken it upon yourself to “speak” for somebody else?? Incredible.


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#4559772 - 03/13/21 06:46 PM Re: WOFF BH&H2 thread (Was WOFF2021 Thread) [Re: Adger]  
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Like I said, let the reader decide. Coincidence? Hardly, IMO. (It would've been easy enough and to the point to say "It's simple to understand..." - it's the part you added about language and nationality make it appear much more than coincidence).

And please stop with the personal attacks:

Originally Posted by Adger
Kksnowbear..behave yourself will you for once


Debate the point if you want.

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#4559778 - 03/13/21 06:54 PM Re: WOFF BH&H2 thread (Was WOFF2021 Thread) [Re: Hellshade]  
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Ok folks, let's just wait for Asam71 clarify his statements. No need to try and second guess him. We may be making mountains out of mole hills on this and extrapolating intentions.

Best Regards to all

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#4559780 - 03/13/21 06:58 PM Re: WOFF BH&H2 thread (Was WOFF2021 Thread) [Re: Hellshade]  
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So not only are you speaking for someone else now (Asam) you’re now TELLING me my post was directed to you?? Honestly? Debate? With you? You can’t debate it’s your way or no way ..and again the threads getting derailed and again I kick myself for it happening..have a great day nope

@Robert exactly, I’m sure Asam is a grown man who can speak for himself without someone speaking for him which I find incredibly condescending.


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#4559785 - 03/13/21 07:28 PM Re: WOFF BH&H2 thread (Was WOFF2021 Thread) [Re: Hellshade]  
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Adger, get it straight: I'm not telling you anything. I'm simply stating what seems obvious to me. Stop putting words in my mouth.

I didn't say I was speaking FOR Asam71, in fact I said the exact opposite (for anyone who bothers to read). Again, stop insisting things about me that just aren't true - that's another personal attack.

Originally Posted by kksnowbear
Hopefully Asam71 can/will clarify his position on the matter. As I said, IMHO his point was misunderstood.


Again, obvious to see what was actually said by whom. I said he can clarify his own position. I also said IMHO ("In my opinion") his point was misunderstood.

#4559789 - 03/13/21 07:39 PM Re: WOFF BH&H2 thread (Was WOFF2021 Thread) [Re: Hellshade]  
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Let's back down a bit if for no other reason than to avoid getting this excellent thread locked! salute

(Hellshade...great time for a video!)


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#4559791 - 03/13/21 07:48 PM Re: WOFF BH&H2 thread (Was WOFF2021 Thread) [Re: Hellshade]  
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No videos to release but a few fun screenshots. Pol, feel free to clean up any of the pointless comments being made not related to the purpose of this thread. I've already removed my own.

Attached Files BHaH-80.jpgBHaH-81.jpgBHaH-82.jpgBHaH-83.jpgBHaH-85.jpg
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#4559801 - 03/13/21 08:20 PM Re: WOFF BH&H2 thread (Was WOFF2021 Thread) [Re: Hellshade]  
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Hola.
Kksnowbear ha interpretado correctamente mi opinión.
Saludos.
Hello.
Kksnowbear has correctly interpreted my opinion.
Greetings.

#4559805 - 03/13/21 08:34 PM Re: WOFF BH&H2 thread (Was WOFF2021 Thread) [Re: Hellshade]  
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Thanks for clarifying that Asam71 (gracias por aclaracion)

Have a good day. (buenos diaz me amigo!)


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#4559808 - 03/13/21 08:49 PM Re: WOFF BH&H2 thread (Was WOFF2021 Thread) [Re: Hellshade]  
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Please take the arguments elsewhere guys. Keep it civil this is the BH&H2 thread. Yes we are just mostly two people, doing everything with some help from Creaghorn and occasionally other team members (for example OvS did some updated skins for the DI DII this time which are great!). However 99% of the work is day after day night after night, weekend after weekend to get here by myself and WM. If we give it away, it will be the last of anything we ever make. So WE must decide how to sell it, when and how much, and if there is a discount or not.

As I said PE (which is an addon to UE) does not suddenly stop working when we release BH&H2. We have kept an eye on it all this time, and nothing really needs fixing in PE. It works and is good.










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#4559814 - 03/13/21 09:23 PM Re: WOFF BH&H2 thread (Was WOFF2021 Thread) [Re: Hellshade]  
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@ Hellshade great pics again pal, that 2nd shot looks like an oil painting.

@Pol, your right and I sincerely apologise if any of my comments have offended or if they’ve taken the thread OT. I fell once again into a trap of responding to someone that I should personally not have responded too, I assure everyone it won’t happen again.
I’m Looking forwards towards the release of BHAH II..it looks absolutely incredible.

Again my apologies

Best Regards


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#4559815 - 03/13/21 09:29 PM Re: WOFF BH&H2 thread (Was WOFF2021 Thread) [Re: Hellshade]  
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Pol & WM, thank you for doing what you do for us WW1 fans. I fired up PE for the first time in quite a while this past week, in anticipation of BH&H2's hopefully imminent release, and
i really enjoyed it. There's plenty of long term value left in it, I think. Perhaps if you do manage to create and add new aircraft in the future for BH&H2 you might also make them available as add on packs to PE?

It's tough to construct a business model out of such a small market niche. Understanding that, I will always buy everything you release without giving pricing a second thought, as I expect most other long time WOFFers will.


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#4559817 - 03/13/21 09:50 PM Re: WOFF BH&H2 thread (Was WOFF2021 Thread) [Re: Hellshade]  
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Adger, you've nothing to apologise for. The thread was already being dragged down the 'how much will it cost and will it be cheaper for those who bought PE' again and you made your point clearly. What came after that was pure claptrap.

I bought PE', does that mean I'd like this new version for less? Of course...but will I have a hissy fit if they don't....no...because as Pol says...if they give this away...that's it....no more updates...and I don't want that...the whole point is this is a living breathing sim. THAT'S the difference.

What Pol has again made clear is that it is up to them. They've put in the effort it's their 'baby' so they'll decide. Then we'll decide to buy it or not. That's the point you made Adger mate and it was clear as day.

If we're all impressed enough we will, if not, or we think it's too soon after PE, we won't.

This new upcoming version isn't being done because there's anything wrong with PE there isn't it's brilliant and still worth every penny.

It's being done because they've realised that improvements could still be made and being professionals and true to their art they want their product to be the best it can be, so that's what we're about to get.

The new screenshots look fantastic btw the Gotha is an awesome creature, I've yet to come up against it in a career mission...can't wait.


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#4559827 - 03/13/21 10:28 PM Re: WOFF BH&H2 thread (Was WOFF2021 Thread) [Re: Hellshade]  
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Albert ..cheers I wish I could put my points across as eloquently as you and others do at times, and yep sometimes I fly in feet first. Thanks for your post appreciated mate. Il personally pay what I believe BHAH II is worth to me, no more, no less I’m not saying a price or Pol il have my pants down (a predominantly british saying) and charge me said price biggrin and I believe most people feel the same and will decide for themselves cheers

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#4559839 - 03/13/21 11:04 PM Re: WOFF BH&H2 thread (Was WOFF2021 Thread) [Re: Hellshade]  
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Hellshade, would you possibly have time to try these out?

1. You mentioned previously that you were able to keep up with diving AI when chasing them to the deck. Have you tried experimenting to see if you can do it without destroying your wings?

2. Climbing during takeoff with a full load of bombs vs no bombs. Is there a difference in aircraft performance?

3. Training mission with capt Triggers the same?

4. Do you see a difference in fuel leak vs oil leak when you hit the AI?

Thanks

#4559841 - 03/13/21 11:33 PM Re: WOFF BH&H2 thread (Was WOFF2021 Thread) [Re: Hellshade]  
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Wow have you all seen this pic from BHaH II from Hellshade?, absolutely outstanding pal.


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#4559852 - 03/14/21 12:15 AM Re: WOFF BH&H2 thread (Was WOFF2021 Thread) [Re: Hellshade]  
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My two cents on this thread.
I fly PE. When BH&H2 comes out, I'll have the same choice everyone on this board will have. You'll either purchase the sim, or you won't. Whether or not I get a discount for having PE doesn't matter. I'm buying the sim, whatever the cost. It's just that simple.

#4559864 - 03/14/21 01:36 AM Re: WOFF BH&H2 thread (Was WOFF2021 Thread) [Re: Hellshade]  
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My tuppence worth ,,,, the visual representation of the aircraft and scenery seem to have undergone a surreal, oldy-worldy oil painting quality I've not experienced elsewhere, where they can just look too new and happy shiny. It's quite unique. Like a work of art I guess. I don't know if this was intentional or a happy accident but to my old eyes it's quite astonishing. I look forward to flying through a moving oil painting and dying often somewhere between heaven and hell .... soon I hope.

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