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#4558385 - 03/03/21 12:27 AM Re: Historical movies that appear to be accurate but are not. [Re: PanzerMeyer]  
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Kingdom of Heaven. Reasonable details in some regards, the framework, characters and story.... mostly bunk loosely draped over 'historical figures' changed from what is known about them.

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#4558407 - 03/03/21 07:39 AM Re: Historical movies that appear to be accurate but are not. [Re: Wizard43]  
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I totally get why the British would be upset by U-571 and I agree. As a Canuck I have similar feelings about Argo. Mr. Afleck did a real disservice to the people who risked their lives in the Canadian Caper. Argo is a steaming pile of poo.

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As an American, I am upset by U-571.

#4558421 - 03/03/21 12:16 PM Re: Historical movies that appear to be accurate but are not. [Re: PanzerMeyer]  
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Any film made by Mel Gibson, eg Braveheart where only (_only_) the names are right, and the “Patriot” where he confuses the 18th century British Army with the Waffen SS in 1944.

#4558423 - 03/03/21 12:22 PM Re: Historical movies that appear to be accurate but are not. [Re: Mike Dora]  
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Originally Posted by Mike Dora
Any film made by Mel Gibson, eg Braveheart where only (_only_) the names are right, and the “Patriot” where he confuses the 18th century British Army with the Waffen SS in 1944.



Fully agree with your view on both films. I also fully admit that when I first saw "Braveheart" in 1995 I knew very little about the history of 13th century Britain so I didn't realize just how much the film deviated from historical facts until several years later.


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#4558433 - 03/03/21 02:56 PM Re: Historical movies that appear to be accurate but are not. [Re: PanzerMeyer]  
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Netflix pay $15 million to stream a WW2 movie with the Kingsman guy. https://deadline.com/2021/03/netfli...acfadyen-kelly-macdonald-efm-1234704769/ I am sure it will not be historically accurate.

#4558442 - 03/03/21 03:37 PM Re: Historical movies that appear to be accurate but are not. [Re: PanzerMeyer]  
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I hate these movies "based on a true story".

I just want them to show how it really was, you know, when the gender fluid, alternate lifestyle heroes band together and win it all. yep



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#4558444 - 03/03/21 03:57 PM Re: Historical movies that appear to be accurate but are not. [Re: Nixer]  
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Originally Posted by Nixer


I just want them to show how it really was,


I agree but unfortunately Hollywood has too many ideological agendas to push and they have to cater to the lowest common denominator because that's how their business model works.


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#4558471 - 03/03/21 07:18 PM Re: Historical movies that appear to be accurate but are not. [Re: PanzerMeyer]  
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Many books are written based on real life experiences.


There was only 16 squadrons of RAF fighters that used 100 octane during the BoB.
The Fw190A could not fly with the outer cannon removed.
There was no Fw190A-8s flying with the JGs in 1945.
#4558480 - 03/03/21 08:04 PM Re: Historical movies that appear to be accurate but are not. [Re: PanzerMeyer]  
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Originally Posted by PanzerMeyer
Originally Posted by Mike Dora
Any film made by Mel Gibson, eg Braveheart where only (_only_) the names are right, and the “Patriot” where he confuses the 18th century British Army with the Waffen SS in 1944.



Fully agree with your view on both films. I also fully admit that when I first saw "Braveheart" in 1995 I knew very little about the history of 13th century Britain so I didn't realize just how much the film deviated from historical facts until several years later.





PM, for me as a Scotsman the dreadful thing about “Braveheart” is that the true, unembellished story of The Wallace would have made an incredible movie.

There was no need to depict him as a kilted highland peasant (he was a young lowlands knight), with a 20th century Glasgow street accent, with him and his mob painting their faces blue - the way the Picts did, when they fought the Romans >1000 years earlier (“pictii” means “painted ones” in Latin).

And as for the affair with the French Princess of Wales, with the implication that he fathered Edward III of England - she arrived in England (as a child) several years after his murder!

#4558484 - 03/03/21 08:15 PM Re: Historical movies that appear to be accurate but are not. [Re: PanzerMeyer]  
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Like the old saying goes, the truth is stranger than fiction. I am often amazed when Hollywood decides to "warp" an historical event with a lame attempt to add drama. The real events (facts) have more than enough "drama" to make a good movie.

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#4558486 - 03/03/21 08:47 PM Re: Historical movies that appear to be accurate but are not. [Re: PanzerMeyer]  
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I would have thought Hollywood could have made a better movie out of the U-505 incident.

That didn't need too much embellishment I would have thought. It was a real gung-ho incident.

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#4558496 - 03/03/21 09:55 PM Re: Historical movies that appear to be accurate but are not. [Re: Nixer]  
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Originally Posted by Nixer
I hate these movies "based on a true story".

I think most news outlets need to have that disclaimer on their news stories. And I say that having been interviewed, and then seeing what they put on the air - almost completely different than what I had conveyed in person.


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#4558541 - 03/04/21 09:14 AM Re: Historical movies that appear to be accurate but are not. [Re: Mike Dora]  
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Originally Posted by Mike Dora
And as for the affair with the French Princess of Wales, with the implication that he fathered Edward III of England - she arrived in England (as a child) several years after his murder!


You may have seen this before but Stewart Lee does a great standup about this:


People new to him should be aware he likes to screw with his audience and portrays a persona deliberately to annoy smile


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#4558582 - 03/04/21 02:27 PM Re: Historical movies that appear to be accurate but are not. [Re: PanzerMeyer]  
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I did some in-depth research into one of my all-time favorite war movies today and was disappointed to find out that there was one change that I consider to be a major change. The film is "Glory" and the commanding officer of the 54th Mass regiment Robert Gould Shaw is portrayed in the film as being a passionate and progressive abolitionist. The reality is that he had some deep-seeded prejudices against the Irish and blacks according to several of the letters he wrote to his mother during the war.

Here is what I came across in my readings,

"Shaw wrote more than 200 letters to his family and friends during the Civil War.[51] These are held in the Houghton Library at Harvard University. Digital facsimiles of this collection are publicly available. His mother edited an early selection of his letters, and worked to preserve a positive image of him as a martyr to the abolitionist cause.[52]
The first scholarly collection of the letters, Blue-Eyed Child of Fortune: The Civil War Letters of Colonel Robert Gould Shaw (1992), was edited by Russell Duncan. The book includes most of Shaw's letters and Duncan's brief biography of the officer, described as the best of those then current about him.[52] Reid Mitchell notes Duncan "returns the historic Shaw" to readers, complete with his bias against the Irish and African Americans, both typical of his time. He wrote more frequently about his fellow officers than either the white or black soldiers who served with him, but expressed pride in the 54th.[52]"

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#4558661 - 03/05/21 12:21 AM Re: Historical movies that appear to be accurate but are not. [Re: PanzerMeyer]  
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Originally Posted by PanzerMeyer
I The reality is that he had some deep-seeded prejudices against the Irish


Ah! So clearly a decent, well-balanced chap, eh? (Did I mention that I’m Scottish*? wink




*actually with Italian & Irish ancestry, the latter from Cork by way of Liverpool.

Scottish & Irish cultures are very similar, eg our songs are all about the same three subjects: drinking, dead lovers, and fighting the English.

#4558686 - 03/05/21 11:32 AM Re: Historical movies that appear to be accurate but are not. [Re: Mike Dora]  
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Originally Posted by Mike Dora

our songs are all about the same three subjects: drinking, dead lovers, and fighting the English.



American Country music is somewhat similar: drinking, living lovers who cheated on you and fighting the #%&*$# Yankees. biggrin


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