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#4558088 - 02/28/21 06:00 PM AH-64 Apache  
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Y'all seen DCS postings on FB? Apache coming out soon!! Wish it was an F model Cobra but i can dig it. Might make DCS my number 1 sim again.

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#4558103 - 02/28/21 07:13 PM Re: AH-64 Apache [Re: Stormtrooper]  

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Originally Posted by Stormtrooper
Apache coming out soon!!

You mean 5 years or 10 ? My bet for 10 years from now for finished rolleyes they never even showed the gunner cockpit.

#4558124 - 02/28/21 10:09 PM Re: AH-64 Apache [Re: ]  
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No, release date is may of 2021, as you probably know if you read the article which it seems you have

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#4558127 - 02/28/21 10:45 PM Re: AH-64 Apache [Re: bisher]  
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Originally Posted by bisher
No, release date is may of 2021, as you probably know if you read the article which it seems you have

Oh, the drama smile


'Release' as in the pre-pre-pre-alpha' version.....but yes, we all know what a DCS 'Release' looks like. It doesn't equate to anything that any other developer on Planet Earth aligns with. But I've no doubt the same people will go crazy for this and ensure that ED can continue to 'release' a new platform that will never get finished as they bounce from obstacle to obstacle safe in the knowledge that proceeds from the pre-pre-pre-alpha will pay for the next bit of dev work they have never planned for.


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#4558132 - 02/28/21 11:36 PM Re: AH-64 Apache [Re: Stormtrooper]  

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when f18 f16 released, and are still most of the mfd placeholder? Are still in a dramatically early release?
Well, minion will praise anyway.

#4558176 - 03/01/21 12:09 PM Re: AH-64 Apache [Re: bisher]  
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Originally Posted by bisher
No, release date is may of 2021, as you probably know if you read the article which it seems you have

Oh, the drama smile


Pre-order starts in May, release is further down the road (probably Q3/4 of 2021).

And yeah, ED releases are constant work-in-progress but developing such highly detailed modules surely takes a lot of time and resources, so the business model they choose is probably the only suitable one to not go out of business like it or not.

It's the only way we get the Longbow in such detail for now so I'll take it, and with improvements to the base engine (weather) and dynamic campaign coming, even if it takes years it's the best thing we got. Unless resurrected Microprose chooses to announce new Gunship, which would probably take another few years to make...

#4558298 - 03/02/21 10:06 AM Re: AH-64 Apache [Re: Stormtrooper]  
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Honestly, I don't mind features for the aircraft being added in bit by bit.

For me, if I get the plane early I learn what features are available and then learn more as they get added. I'd be happy with a weaponless Apache at first - just fly around and navigate.

#4558302 - 03/02/21 12:58 PM Re: AH-64 Apache [Re: Stormtrooper]  
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I'll be buying it.

I'm sure we all realize that if Eagle Dynamics wasn't around, there would be NO developer making new modern combat jet sims.


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#4558426 - 03/03/21 01:56 PM Re: AH-64 Apache [Re: Stormtrooper]  
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I'll be getting it because, well of course I am.

I'm more looking forward to the Hind though.

The thing I'm most looking forward to is the new weather though.


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#4558515 - 03/04/21 12:45 AM Re: AH-64 Apache [Re: PanzerMeyer]  
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Originally Posted by PanzerMeyer
I'll be buying it.

I'm sure we all realize that if Eagle Dynamics wasn't around, there would be NO developer making new modern combat jet sims.


Probably plays World of Warcraft and bashes DCS for fun.

#4558662 - 03/05/21 01:22 AM Re: AH-64 Apache [Re: PanzerMeyer]  
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Originally Posted by PanzerMeyer
I'll be buying it.

I'm sure we all realize that if Eagle Dynamics wasn't around, there would be NO developer making new modern combat jet sims.



I couldn't disagree more!
IMO, if Eagle Dynamics wasn't around then someone else would certainly develop new modern combat jet sims. And then this 'someone else' would learn from ED/DCS mistakes and probably wouldn't follow this same stupid 'market strategy', this only if ED/DCS would go out of business.

I could also argue that there's no point for someone else to come up into the modern combat jet sims market since it appears that many simmer are 'apparently happy' with ED/DCS with all its unfinished after unfinished module release. So why would someone else have the will of doing better than ED/DCS if apparently a considerably number of simmers are happy with the 'all the bad' which is currently available with ED/DCS??

P.S - After 13 year or more if we count Flaming Cliffs or Lock On I'm still waiting for ED to fix those ridiculous AIM-120 AMRAAM missiles! rolleyes

#4558675 - 03/05/21 04:49 AM Re: AH-64 Apache [Re: ricnunes]  
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Originally Posted by ricnunes

I could also argue that there's no point for someone else to come up into the modern combat jet sims market since it appears that many simmer are 'apparently happy' with ED/DCS with all its unfinished after unfinished module release. So why would someone else have the will of doing better than ED/DCS if apparently a considerably number of simmers are happy with the 'all the bad' which is currently available with ED/DCS??


cough[bullshite]cough lol

#4558703 - 03/05/21 01:25 PM Re: AH-64 Apache [Re: Stormtrooper]  
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I'll buy it, just not in pre alpha state, so most likely 2023/24.

Meanwhile I'll enjoy F-18, that is almost done, on deck of the almost done super carrier, flying 3rd party dynamic campaigns while ED's is being worked on.

Many thanks to early buyers who support dev and allow me to patiently wait for an acceptable release.

#4558710 - 03/05/21 02:19 PM Re: AH-64 Apache [Re: Stormtrooper]  
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It's ok just saying ''someone else would certainly develop new modern combat jet sims'' and they will obviously get it right because '' they would learn from ED/DCS mistakes''... but who?

There is no flight sim anywhere that doesn't have it's share of problems. I've got loads of them and I honestly can't say one is better than the other... do I get enjoyment from them, regardless of faults or things I would like put right, or various dev teams marketing strategies I don't agree with? Yes of course I do, or I wouldn't play the bloody things, or for that matter, continue to buy their products.

It's the fate of all flight simmers... we are hoarders. biggrin

#4560078 - 03/15/21 03:00 PM Re: AH-64 Apache [Re: Trooper117]  
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Originally Posted by Trooper117
It's ok just saying ''someone else would certainly develop new modern combat jet sims'' and they will obviously get it right because '' they would learn from ED/DCS mistakes''... but who?

There is no flight sim anywhere that doesn't have it's share of problems.


While it's absolutely true that there's no flight sim without its share of problems, the fact that with many/most other sims and games (present and past) their developers have been fixing or trying to fix their sim's problems. But with ED/DCS this is different - fixing problems (a.k.a bugs) is definitely NOT their priority as it should have been! For example we're in 2021 and the AMRAAM problems still need to be fixed! This is again one of a HUGE LIST of bugs/problems which again is inconceivable that in 2021 it's not addressed!
And instead of fixing problems ED keeps releasing addons/modules in Alpha shape/stage which add even more bugs to the sim.

So if you want to be 'suckers' and continue to fall for and support this 'almost criminal' ED behavior, please fell free to do it so. But then don't complain that the 'problem' with combat flight sims nowadays (or the lack of them) is because people don't support the 'only' modern combat flight sim basically in existence today! By the contrary it's your 'fanatism' regarding ED which is spelling doom to the genre (you're of course entitled to disagree with me).


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