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#4556527 - 02/17/21 10:26 PM Re: New Prius Sport Model [Re: Nixer]  
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What about the Hellcat, or the Hellcat powered SUV and truck?

Ridiculous overkill IMO.

Now the Prius S... driving


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#4556531 - 02/17/21 11:04 PM Re: New Prius Sport Model [Re: DKM]  
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Originally Posted by DKM
The GT500 is certainly an amazing car. And if I had that kind of money, I'd be temped to have one in my garage as well smile I can't help wondering, though, whether we have crossed some kind of threshold with respect to high horsepower (and high torque) cars. It seems like after a certain point (which for me is about 400 horses and maybe 350 foot-pounds of torque), additional horsepower and torque are basically unusable in most circumstances. In that sense, putting my foot into a GT500 or a Dodge Demon or even an old school Viper has basically the same effect as flooring just about any other 400+ hp rear wheel drive car: the tires light up. And that is as true in second and third and sometimes even in fourth gear as it is in first in a straight pull. Which is certainly fun, but it also means that in most circumstances, all that additional horsepower is almost never actually used (except to increase the cost of consumables a bunch) . So yeah, I kind of want a GT500, too smile I'm just not sure how often I'd be able to actually use most of that additional power.


There's plenty of cars out there that can make use of over 400hp. Just not rear wheel drive muscle cars (unless of course you're riding on some 15 inch Mickey Thompsons or something).

I have a similar viewpoint with you though when it comes to (street) motorcycles over 175hp. You need to be hitting some REALLY insane speeds to realistically make use of 200hp on a bike...

#4556535 - 02/17/21 11:28 PM Re: New Prius Sport Model [Re: Nixer]  
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For me, it's all about the midrange performance, launching from a standstill is hard on machinery, and there's not too many places where you can safely push the top end, so somewhere in the middle is where I get most of my enjoyment.

#4556542 - 02/18/21 12:22 AM Re: New Prius Sport Model [Re: Crane Hunter]  
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Originally Posted by Crane Hunter
For me, it's all about the midrange performance, launching from a standstill is hard on machinery, and there's not too many places where you can safely push the top end, so somewhere in the middle is where I get most of my enjoyment.


Yep, that certainly makes sense. The few really fast cars I have ever driven were pretty much a waste in the environment I drove them in.

The old days, gone now with corp GPS tracking of trucks; the days of zipping in and out of "sweet spots" behind and in between trucks, rockin the cradle, sure were fun. Ah well, Glory days.


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#4556544 - 02/18/21 12:27 AM Re: New Prius Sport Model [Re: Crane Hunter]  
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Originally Posted by Crane Hunter
For me, it's all about the midrange performance, launching from a standstill is hard on machinery, and there's not too many places where you can safely push the top end, so somewhere in the middle is where I get most of my enjoyment.


You remind me of why I like motorcycles with 150+ horsepower - it's not because I'm routinely (or even close to routinely) using the full potential there, it's because a 150hp bike has a lot more midrange and low end torque than a 60hp bike - and that CAN be realistically used a lot of the time.

That's my biggest annoyance with my Kawasaki 500 Ninja around town. 58 horsepower is plenty enough to get into to trouble (legal or physical), but lots of working the clutch and shifter compared to a bigger bike...

Oh, and with a bigger bike you can pass idiots in cars a lot more effortlessly AND without your engine screaming at high rpm's...

#4556548 - 02/18/21 01:10 AM Re: New Prius Sport Model [Re: Nixer]  
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Originally Posted by Nixer


Yep, that certainly makes sense. The few really fast cars I have ever driven were pretty much a waste in the environment I drove them in.

The old days, gone now with corp GPS tracking of trucks; the days of zipping in and out of "sweet spots" behind and in between trucks, rockin the cradle, sure were fun. Ah well, Glory days.


That's why more I'm into offroad vehicles these days, where you're free to wring as much performance out of your platform as you want, in places where most of the idiots can't get to.

#4556609 - 02/18/21 06:30 PM Re: New Prius Sport Model [Re: Nixer]  
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The GT500, GT350, and Camaro ZL1 1LE (yes, that's really its designation) are really more like street legal race cars, especially the Camaro. They have tons of power and special suspension for better handling, especially in the case of the Camaro - it's set up so much for racing that the ride is really rough on the streets. The GT500 has a better suspension setup to balance street and track use, but it is also a lot more expensive than the Camaro.

I've got 460hp in my Mustang GT, and it seems to be just about right for some spirited back road driving, from a power standpoint. I can brake into the corners and get a nice rush accelerating out of them, and generally get moving when I need to. I have an automatic transmission in it, a first for me in a performance car, but the gearing on it is better than the manual for getting the lower-end grunt.

It's amazing to me how power in cars has grown so quickly. I bought a V8 Mustang GT in 2004 and it had about the most horsepower you could get in a reasonably priced vehicle - 260. They went to 300 in 2005, then jumped to 412, then 420, then 435 and then 460. Some slightly special additions have 480, and then there are the high end models like the GT350 that has 526 and the GT500 at 760. And the competitors are similar with the Chevy Camaro ZL1 and the Dodge/Chrysler Hellcat series.


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#4556621 - 02/18/21 07:38 PM Re: New Prius Sport Model [Re: Nixer]  
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I believe we could have seen typical musclecar powerplants making around 350 horsepower by the mid 90s, and hit today's levels 10 or 15 years later, if only the manufacturers hadn't been so fixated on beancounting their mass produced engines.

That's one of the biggest differences between then and now, manufacturers aren't afraid to offer a level of component quality and engineering detail that was once limited to the aftermarket {and exotic makes}, nor are they afraid to turn to forced induction when called for.

#4556646 - 02/18/21 10:11 PM Re: New Prius Sport Model [Re: Nixer]  
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I figured that technology played a part as well, with cheaper and better electronics to manage things now to keep emissions in check and gas mileage high enough to keep the manufacturer meeting CAFE and other standards, while still providing power.


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#4556674 - 02/19/21 12:49 AM Re: New Prius Sport Model [Re: Nixer]  
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Definitely, although you need that technology given today's strict emissions, mileage, and noise constraints, but without those you could achieve some impressive results even with simpler tech..

The turbo'ed Callaway Corvettes from the late '80s are a good example, it took many years for production Corvettes to match their horsepower levels, and the special Sledgehammer version is STILL more powerful than the likes of the GT500, Hellcat Redeye or whatever they'll call the upcoming performance version of the C8 Corvette.



#4556684 - 02/19/21 03:01 AM Re: New Prius Sport Model [Re: Nixer]  
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I think I must be turning into an old coot, because for better and worse, the way a car feels, especially how analogue it feels, now matters almost as much to me as grip or acceleration or top-end speed, which were what I valued most when I was younger.

A couple of years ago, I had the chance to drive a friend's Nissan GT-R (which we called Godzilla back in the day). I recorded the quickest times in that car that I have ever done in my life, by far. But so much of what happened was basically under the car's control that it never really felt like I was driving it. It felt like I was a passenger in the driver's seat. I would use the steering wheel to tell the car where to go and it would do all the rest.

I'm not saying that I'm ready to spend the rest of my days driving, say, a Miata, but I'll admit that I love how analogue cars like the S2000 and the Lotus Elise and, yes, even the Miata feel. Sad but true smile

#4556691 - 02/19/21 05:28 AM Re: New Prius Sport Model [Re: Nixer]  
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I too miss the feel of a purely analog car. In terms of recreational driving give me a stick shift, no electronics, and even no power steering (in a light enough car).

Of course in terms of real world everyday driving I've changed with age. I'll take the automatic transmission every time. I'll take any and all things that make me NOT have to think about driving the car...

#4556704 - 02/19/21 10:16 AM Re: New Prius Sport Model [Re: Nixer]  
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My next car will neither have ABS nor airbags, nor anything electronic (except the radio maybe).
A car from 2000 on will begin to spill its electronic beans from the third year on, sorry not interested.

#4556728 - 02/19/21 01:50 PM Re: New Prius Sport Model [Re: Zamzow]  
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Originally Posted by Zamzow
I too miss the feel of a purely analog car. In terms of recreational driving give me a stick shift, no electronics, and even no power steering (in a light enough car).

Of course in terms of real world everyday driving I've changed with age. I'll take the automatic transmission every time. I'll take any and all things that make me NOT have to think about driving the car...


Give me a manual trans. Changing gears in a standard comes naturally, Autos make me a lazy driver, SA decreases.


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#4556753 - 02/19/21 04:42 PM Re: New Prius Sport Model [Re: Nixer]  
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Always interesting to read the variety of other men's preferences.

I guess to summarize mine, I like 'um small and lightweight (tossable), whisper quiet under most conditions, low maintenance, fun and playful...but not too fast. Also, to not have been broken in yet when I'm signing papers of ownership. I also prefer the more angular silhouettes and flatter surfaces popular in the 1980's vs. today's extreme curviness; I just don't need thicker bigger T&A (tires and A-pillars).

I blame my preferences on the media (greatly influenced by the likes of Giorgetto Giugiaro), what I saw as desirable on TV at such an impressionable young age. Thus, this is my car porn...

Lotus Esprit Turbo HC real-world review


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dYbYBP1ToU

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#4556769 - 02/19/21 06:02 PM Re: New Prius Sport Model [Re: Nixer]  
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Just about finished fitting out my Prius Hunter.

Just need an old M-79 for the handlebars, plus some assorted rounds. winkngrin

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#4556772 - 02/19/21 06:13 PM Re: New Prius Sport Model [Re: Nixer]  
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#4556821 - 02/19/21 10:09 PM Re: New Prius Sport Model [Re: MarkG]  
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Originally Posted by MarkG
Always interesting to read the variety of other men's preferences.

I guess to summarize mine, I like 'um small and lightweight (tossable), whisper quiet under most conditions, low maintenance, fun and playful...but not too fast. Also, to not have been broken in yet when I'm signing papers of ownership. I also prefer the more angular silhouettes and flatter surfaces popular in the 1980's vs. today's extreme curviness; I just don't need thicker bigger T&A (tires and A-pillars).

I blame my preferences on the media (greatly influenced by the likes of Giorgetto Giugiaro), what I saw as desirable on TV at such an impressionable young age. Thus, this is my car porn...

Lotus Esprit Turbo HC real-world review


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8dYbYBP1ToU

The heart wants what it wants, you can't help what you want to drive. In the end you get the closest to your type within your means, and then hold on to it as long as you can.


I love Harry’s Garage. One of the best car channels on the Tube. I watch all his videos. The five-part rebuild of his Lamborghini Espada engine led me to Tyrrell’s Classic Workshop, which is now my second favourite channel. Top-level geek stuff!


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#4556835 - 02/20/21 12:26 AM Re: New Prius Sport Model [Re: semmern]  
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Originally Posted by semmern
I love Harry’s Garage. One of the best car channels on the Tube. I watch all his videos. The five-part rebuild of his Lamborghini Espada engine led me to Tyrrell’s Classic Workshop, which is now my second favourite channel. Top-level geek stuff!


I also enjoyed his:

Lotus Esprit turbo 1000mile drive to Cortina to re-live the Bond movie 'For Your Eyes Only':
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CsMUx26BeF0

Lamborghini Countach 5000 Quattrovalvole review:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZuZBZyV6Eg

I'll watch them all one day.




The rusty wire that holds the cork that keeps the anger in
Gives way and suddenly it’s day again
The sun is in the east
Even though the day is done
Two suns in the sunset, hmph
Could be the human race is run
#4556836 - 02/20/21 12:29 AM Re: New Prius Sport Model [Re: Nixer]  
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Nixer's bicycle... rofl

Actually, it's pretty cool. But what is the key for?



The rusty wire that holds the cork that keeps the anger in
Gives way and suddenly it’s day again
The sun is in the east
Even though the day is done
Two suns in the sunset, hmph
Could be the human race is run
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