There: https://forums.eagle.ru/topic/162712-dce-campaigns/

Based on MBOT's originals.

They don't exactly have the depth of Falcon campaign, but still pretty fun to play with a track of your progress, and can even be played in coop/pvp.

I participated in testing some, and despite ED breaking things every other day had quite some fun doing so, thus in the end I created 3 of them (hot war in the cold" serie) with Cef/Miguel's technical great support (they're the real workforce).

Installation is not exactly intuitive yet (read the installation pdf carefully), they require the use of an external DOS window too, but hey, it's free


Have fun

The liberation campaign is also very good.
Combined strategic/flying campaign. Buy units, assign missions, set a slot for yourself (plus friends if you want).
There are many problems, but it is a lot of fun and being actively (and rapidly) developed.

https://forums.eagle.ru/topic/183194-all-modulesspco-op-liberation-dynamic-campaign/#comments

+1 This is my top and the only mod that is responsible for my return to DCS.

Looks like there some options out there and coming soon. I may have to revisit DCS again in the near future.

When is the real dynamic campaign coming?

I watched some footage of DCS F-18 yesterday and got hot. Then I remembered there was nothing dynamic happening and was sad.

There's a good amount of user made missions and campaigns for the Hornet, even without the dynamic element I've found them to be pretty engaging. Re-running a mission is predictable as you might imagine, but I've been having a good bit of fun with it!

I've found that playing DCS online with other friends more than makes up for the lack of a dynamic campaign. As JC mentioned, there are some really good user-made custom missions out there.

Yep.

One of the sections of any forum that would usually push to make a purchase...was reading a AAR from someone with screenies and action reports. If you have a look at the AAR section here at SimHQ...there are virtually no DCS AARs. Would you read an AAR of a mission that you already flew? Or that everyone has already flown? What would be the point? Most of the AARs here are from games with some sort of dynamic campaign.

I took a look over at the DCS forums...I couldn't find an AAR section anywhere in their forums. I head on over to Mudspike to have a look at their AAR section...same thing as here. Pretty much zero DCS AARs. This coming from a site run by one of my favorite AAR guys...BeachAV8R. He sold more sims of different flavors to me with his AARs more than any developer promotional materials ever did.

Yeah I get it...multiplayer is what drives a lot of folks...not my bag to rely on other people for my flight sim enjoyment though. I will keep an eye out for when (if) they finally get one done and maybe dust off the modules I bought and check it out. Until then...I'm playing more "immersive" sims/games.

Peace!

The most fun I've ever had with multiplayer simming is through Falcon BMS on the persistent dynamic campaign servers or EECH on their dynamic campaign servers.

I memorize everything--I remember when I was an infant, vividly--sights, sounds, everything. Having to fly the same mission twice in any sim ruins the experience for me.

Getting back into simming after a couple year break and I haven't bothered to re-install DCS...no point really. I know that Falcon BMS doesn't have the eye candy that DCS has...but it's still being actively worked on and is the most fully functional, immersive, dynamic, COMBAT flight sim you can fly for a modern jet at this moment.

Sadly...that statement will probably be true 10 years from now as well. Since ED started the DCS World module system, they have had almost a decade to get us a fully functional, feature rich, COMBAT experience with a lively and immersive battlefield/war situation. We have seen the statement that we need to be "patient" all the time. Well,
after a decade many of us are tired of waiting and realize the half finished module system is here to stay while attention to the COMBAT experience gets left behind.

If you are after the "Cockpit" experience and like taking pretty screen shots...then DCS is the better choice. If you want to feel like a combat pilot in a war...then you have to look elsewhere for another decade or so until ED gets something put together IMO.

I consider myself lucky that I like flight sims from all eras...WW! thru modern...plenty of immersive options out there.

I find it perplexing that Eagle Dynamics completely ignores what has made Falcon 4.0 and all the modded versions so popular: A dynamic campaign. Falcon has longevity due to the campaign engine alone. Without this, BMS would likely not exist.


So knowing this, why do they still persist on a plane model, and not give the fan base what they want and deserve?

Their sales would increase, for starters, as would the series popularity--and that could lead to great things.

Falcon 4.0 and all the modded versions were made and worked on by flightsim enthusiasts that had an extreme passion and loyalty to the genre.

Dcs have no passion for anything incuding their own loyal fanbase,
They will lash out as many of these half broken modules as they can at an extremely excessive price for what their loyal punters get for their hard earned cash.

Reason for this is because they"DCS" are GREEDY CODERS/DEVS.

To sum it up : BMS IS FREE
DCS IS DOWNRIGHT ROBBERY.

Ridiculous. To describe it as robbery is to make your point worthless and hyperbolic.

DCS is expensive, yes, but not robbery. You know what you are getting, even with Early Access things.
The lack of an integrated dynamic campaign is a bit sad, but there is still an absolute ton of gameplay in it.

ED, and the various 3rd party developers, are companies. They are trying to make money. There is nothing wrong with that at all.

I have little interest in a dynamic campaign.

I do want some improvements to the mission editor.

To not design, develop and release a proper dynamic campaign for DCS after all these years makes ED worthless.

There's no excuses for a lack of one. This is the one defining feature that the majority of players will benefit from.

Yes sir

gag. Cough! Sorry I had difficulty having that opinion jammed down my throat. I'll be alright

While not criminal...ED sure put themselves in the record books for being the first video game developer in history to have a pre-order bonus be 4 years late after the initial product was released...lol. (A-10/Nevada)

If you're good with being that patient...more power to ya! Many folks got turned off to the "as is" business model ED uses...while they wait for the module they purchased to be finished...just to watch other "as is" modules being released while they're still waiting.

Perhaps, in your opinion. I get a lot of value from it. True that I would get more with a dynamic campaign engine, but it's a long way from worthless. And, no matter how you lay it all out, none of it represents robbery

According to a Q&A I saw last year, they are working on one.

"Flanker" has been around for 26 years (congrats to ED for that run), maybe one day.

EDIT: On a related note, Eagle Dynamics turns 30 this year!

I can perfectly understand the complaints against ED for there not being any kind of true dynamic campaign system but at least they have acknowledged it and are working on it.


Having said that, the market forces are such that in 2021, ED is the ONLY developer making current-day jet flight sims. I can understand all of the praise for Falcon BMS but we also have to realize that BMS is a MOD for a flight sim that is now 23 years old.

Yeah, but the complaints go back a quarter of a century when flight sim fans were comparing Flanker to EF2000 on Usenet.

It could also be a case of Russian game design being fundamentally different in some aspects from Western game design. I just think it's sad that there's not a single Western-based developer today which makes combat flight sims.

Well, if you look at typical Western society youth these days, one does not need to wonder why...

If there was another live Cold War, and our youth properly understood the dangers foreign powers pose such as China, Iran or North Korea, then perhaps there'd be demand to learn about these sorts of military technologies. I don't want this sent to PWEC, however. What I want is a proper dynamic campaign engine in DCS so I can enjoy this beautiful sim environment properly.

Mod or not...it shouldn't be discounted for just that reason. It looks nothing like your Falcon of 1998...and if ED releases an F-16 there will still be folks that would rather fly BMS. Hell...DCS World can almost be called an overhaul mod of Flanker 2.0. I bet there is still some old Flanker code in there.

That is indeed true but BMS only exists because a small team of extremely dedicated simmers and programmers decided that it was worth the effort to make even though they knew from the beginning that they wouldn't/couldn't be paid for their work.

In other words, with the current state of the highly-niche combat flight sim market, there's really not much room for anyone besides Eagle Dynamics.

I agree...and it's a sad statement for sure. We all can agree that competition breeds innovation and a better result for the end user. That's the problem...with no competition there is not much urgency for ED to change. Regardless...the fact that BMS is created for passion instead of profit, shouldn't be a reason not to fly it.

Force is right

These guys been dragging their heels for years...
Stop buying into the dam half finished modules and stand up to these dudes.


Mark my words

These guys have NO PASSION FOR WHAT THE REAL PILOTS SEE.

BMS PUTS US INTO THE WORLD OF A YOUNG F16 PILOT FIGHTING AGAINST THE MOST HEAVILY DEFENDED HOTSPOT IN THE WORLD.

No more milking the cow dry for these dudes...

Im okay with most of the products, though I am a simple military aircraft enthusiast, not a flight simmer. Thank god lol

And I get that...I'm not as much of an aircraft/airframe/cockpit enthusiast as I am a sim Combat pilot enthusiast. That's where a lot of differences are between many of us I think.

I want a Combat flight sim to have some actual immersive Combat in it...lol.

Yes combat is a thrill, but for me a quick mission builder would meet my needs more than a dynamic campaign. I just can't sit at my computer long enough to get into complicated flights. I've always wanted to see a 'save in-mid-flight' option in flight sims for this reason lol

Though, a dynamic campaign would be an awesome option

I completely get this. The Russian developed flight sims have been often described as being absolutely great while you are inside the cockpit but once you are outside the experience is not that great since the immersion factor is just not there.

Yep... I'm with you!

I am not a fan of Ed or DCS by any means, but I just reloaded DCS on a new rig after a year + away, and I must say it runs butter smooth and it feels like they have done a lot of work on the FMs(the Bf109Kurfürst anyway). The graphics of Normandy are simply stunning to me. Said all of that to say this, I recall the DCS QMG being really good for setting up and flying Quick missions, which can be fairly complex as I recall. I haven't tried it this time around but those who have never given a go lately might want to revisit it. I remember setting up really fun QMs with it and I would have to believe they didn't change it(screw it up) from last year. I am all for a Dynamic Campaign Generator, but there isn't always time to get totally involved with it, so keeping the QMG in good standing could only benefit DCS and its' fan base IMHO. In the end though, ED is still Ed and just a quick scan through the Forums over there and seeing Flatline, or whatever his name is, just blatantly confirms this. I have been an ED customer for way way to long to actually have hope that they will get a clue any time soon and actually finish the modules they have out there right now or even flesh out a scenario completely(WWII Normandy, for example), so I am going to just have fun in DCS here and there where I can and take it with a grain of salt. If a DCG appears, I will try it, but I will not get my hopes up or waste time following their shanagense promoting it. Then again, here I am commenting in the SimHQ DCS Forum so whoa to me, I digress already. Quickly I will exit stage left and head back to the other Forums and actually flying the Flight Sims that are much closer to fleshing out their stated scenarios, and there are many. FWIT my 2 cents.

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What forums are those?

Il2 GBS, ATAG and SAS would be my first go to s.

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I have to say, I've taken it on myself to get stuck back into DCS with the Su-25T... I'd forgotten what a little gem that aircraft can be.
Relatively easy to learn and fly... getting into relearning the weapon systems at the moment.
Another good thing about the 'Rook' is that it's totally free to download with the base game, so anyone that wants to have a play with it can do so at no cost whatsoever.