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#4546862 - 12/02/20 05:45 PM Re: NASA'S Boondoggle [Re: PanzerMeyer]  
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Originally Posted by PanzerMeyer
NASA currently gets just under 1% of the total Federal budget. Can you imagine how the incompetence would be magnified if we ever allowed the Feds to run a healthcare system for 330+ million people?


OK, let's not get into that juicy topic in here...

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#4548656 - 12/15/20 09:45 PM Re: NASA'S Boondoggle [Re: F4UDash4]  
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Fifteen years and $24 billion later, very little to show for it.

Orion spacecraft is now 15 years old and has flown into space just once


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Like I keep saying...keep em away from SpaceX.

edit: Oh, but you can bet they have wiped out a few thousand acres of trees with studies, reports and commendations...Oh yeah, and printing all those bonus checks for how well they are doing!

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#4548669 - 12/15/20 11:25 PM Re: NASA'S Boondoggle [Re: Nixer]  
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Originally Posted by Nixer
Like I keep saying...keep em away from SpaceX.

edit: Oh, but you can bet they have wiped out a few thousand acres of trees with studies, reports and commendations...Oh yeah, and printing all those bonus checks for how well they are doing!




The SLS / Orion story would not be believable if written as fiction.


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#4552619 - 01/17/21 03:03 PM Re: NASA'S Boondoggle [Re: F4UDash4]  
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After a decade, NASA’s big rocket fails its first real test

"It's not everything we hoped it would be."

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About 50 seconds into what was supposed to be an 8-minute test firing, the flight control center called out, “We did get an MCF on Engine 4.” This means there was a “major component failure” with the fourth engine on the vehicle. After a total of about 67 seconds, the hot fire test ended.

During a post-flight news conference, held outside near the test stand, officials offered few details about what had gone wrong. "We don't know what we don't know," said NASA Administrator Jim Bridenstine. "It's not everything we hoped it would be."



Note the engines used in this test are not a new design, they're the RS-25 used on the Space Shuttle since 1981. NASA can't get an engine they used for 30 years to operate for a full duration test. banghead


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Ayup... here is another applicable link: https://spaceflightnow.com/2021/01/16/sls-green-run-hotfire-mission-status-center/

SpaceX and some other entities are looking better all the time.

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Well to be fair it was a first test (of the 4 engines at once), and configured for a completely different rocket. I'm sure a lot of "the book" on running 3 of them configured for the Space Shuttle had to be re-written from near scratch.

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Boeing and the magical world of contractors and outsourcing. How's that employee loyalty working out?

What a cluster f**k. Government bureaucracy + contracting hell = rocket not fly.

gg Space X. Wp.

#4552691 - 01/18/21 12:17 PM Re: NASA'S Boondoggle [Re: Zamzow]  
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Originally Posted by Zamzow
Well to be fair it was a first test (of the 4 engines at once), and configured for a completely different rocket. I'm sure a lot of "the book" on running 3 of them configured for the Space Shuttle had to be re-written from near scratch.



They've had roughly 10 years and $20 billion to figure it out.


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In before NASA says..."Because Covid"



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#4552698 - 01/18/21 03:02 PM Re: NASA'S Boondoggle [Re: F4UDash4]  
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Originally Posted by F4UDash4
Originally Posted by Zamzow
Well to be fair it was a first test (of the 4 engines at once), and configured for a completely different rocket. I'm sure a lot of "the book" on running 3 of them configured for the Space Shuttle had to be re-written from near scratch.



They've had roughly 10 years and $20 billion to figure it out.

Clearly they only need another 10 years and another $30 billion.

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So the test didn't even reach 15% of the desired full duration time but you want to just go ahead with a full up launch anyway? Wow.

Hydraulic system issue triggered early engine shutdown during SLS test-firing


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“We are still kind of in a position where may not have to do another hot fire,” Bridenstine told Spaceflight Now in an interview Monday. “We might be able to take the rocket down to Kennedy and get it ready for launch. That decision has not been made. We don’t know.”


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LOL

That guy should not be in charge, he's a liability to the program.

I fail to see why fixing the problem and doing another test firing would be less prudent than dragging it down to the pad and pressing the red button.

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Originally Posted by Mr_Blastman
LOL

That guy should not be in charge...



He's the best NASA has had recently, but he will be gone soon.


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Yeah, he's gone when the next director is confirmed.

Replacing him doesn't fix the Boeing problem, though, who has huge internal structural issues.

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Originally Posted by F4UDash4
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Well to be fair it was a first test (of the 4 engines at once), and configured for a completely different rocket. I'm sure a lot of "the book" on running 3 of them configured for the Space Shuttle had to be re-written from near scratch.



They've had roughly 10 years and $20 billion to figure it out.


So far about twice as much time and money as an aircraft carrier....

For something that is intended to eventually TAKE HUMANS TO MARS AND BACK.....

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Originally Posted by Zamzow

So far about twice as much time and money as an aircraft carrier....





10 billion for an aircraft carrier? What data are you basing this on?


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Originally Posted by PanzerMeyer
Originally Posted by Zamzow

So far about twice as much time and money as an aircraft carrier....





10 billion for an aircraft carrier? What data are you basing this on?

Who knows if it's accurate, but multiple articles have stated the cost for the Ford at over $13B, but that could be due to it being the first of its type.

Like most complex weapons systems, costs can be looked at different ways. For the basic carrier, the next one is supposed to be under $4B, but by the time it's fully outfitted it will be over $10B.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...eeps-up-after-first-one-hit-13-3-billion


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Originally Posted by Zamzow
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Originally Posted by Zamzow
Well to be fair it was a first test (of the 4 engines at once), and configured for a completely different rocket. I'm sure a lot of "the book" on running 3 of them configured for the Space Shuttle had to be re-written from near scratch.



They've had roughly 10 years and $20 billion to figure it out.


So far about twice as much time and money as an aircraft carrier....

For something that is intended to eventually TAKE HUMANS TO MARS AND BACK.....


There are exactly ZERO plans to use SLS to take anyone to Mars.


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