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#4550643 - 01/04/21 02:39 PM Dad forces hungry 9 yo daughter struggle for 6 hours opening a can of beans  
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Child abuser!

https://www.thewrap.com/bean-dad-9-year-old-open-can-6-hours-infuriates-twitter/

https://thetakeout.com/the-baked-beans-can-opener-twitter-debate-of-2021-expl-1845980546

His Twitter account is gone but here are his tweets. He seem to be enjoying his hungry 9 yo daughter 6- hour long struggle with the can opener and not able to open the can of beans.

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A 9 yo girl still has little hands and fingers. She can cut her hand and fingers on that can opener, I assume it was one of these.

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#4550644 - 01/04/21 03:01 PM Re: Dad forces hungry 9 yo daughter struggle for 6 hours opening a can of beans [Re: NoFlyBoy]  
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He was verified on Twitter. Article says he is a singer and podcaster.
Nothing like documenting your child abuse.

#4550645 - 01/04/21 03:12 PM Re: Dad forces hungry 9 yo daughter struggle for 6 hours opening a can of beans [Re: NoFlyBoy]  
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I don't know about child abuse, but certainly a failure to mentor, which was becoming all too common even when I was a kid.

#4550646 - 01/04/21 03:15 PM Re: Dad forces hungry 9 yo daughter struggle for 6 hours opening a can of beans [Re: NoFlyBoy]  
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He was being a jerk, yes. But I wouldn't go so far as to call it child abuse. If for no other reason than that doing so puts what he did on somewhat a par with those who beat, or intentionally starve their children, or subject them to real psychological cruelty. What he did was miss his opportunity to be the "apocalypse dad" he thought he was being, and turned a simple lesson in self-reliance (and kitchen tool use) into a (semi) traumatic experience for both of them.


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#4550652 - 01/04/21 03:49 PM Re: Dad forces hungry 9 yo daughter struggle for 6 hours opening a can of beans [Re: NoFlyBoy]  
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By his Tweet I think he didn't bother to show her. My Dad and Ma always show us how to do something first and then let us try it. He better not teach his kids how to drive.

#4550653 - 01/04/21 03:55 PM Re: Dad forces hungry 9 yo daughter struggle for 6 hours opening a can of beans [Re: NoFlyBoy]  
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She's not very resourceful. At a similar age I figured out how to get the food out of a tin of beans after someone else forgot to pack a tin opener using nothing more than a rock (to make a dent in the side wall) and a bit of patience (to work the dent until it split). You can btw do the same thing with just your hands if it is pre-dented or you are a bit stronger than 10yo me. She also lives 'near other people' and I would ask for help if I couldn't operate the tool from a neighbour (as when I had a broken arm and needed help with jars).

I wasn't a fan of the 'knife and lever' type can opener my dad favoured (and he stabbed himself with it more than once, and it *always" left a jagged opening on the tin), and the early style of metal 'rotary' tine opener with the static 'knife' was prone to not cut the steel very reliably. - But you could 'snip' the bits it skipped over by just closing the opener over each short segment until you cut them away, even when it wouldn't reliably cut on the move. Modern openers with the rotary disk-cutters are so much more reliable and easier to use than those we had 30 years ago (until the plastic bearing surfaces and cheap cast gears wear and start to skip - I've had one which lasted 6 months only... but most are still okay at 4-5 years so it isn't too terrible).


That said he appears to be a bibo. Not very helpful to her (though maybe she needs to learn to fix stuff herself or to figure out what request to make... and how, even that beans in a tin can wait, and there are other things which could be eaten - stick the failed tin into the fridge until someone else will 'fix it' to minimise the risk of waste)... but he then chooses to post it to the Twit place.

#4550656 - 01/04/21 04:08 PM Re: Dad forces hungry 9 yo daughter struggle for 6 hours opening a can of beans [Re: NoFlyBoy]  
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I don't think he was abusing his child. He seems like a well educated Dad trying to pass down his genetic qualities to her, whom may not be adequately imbued with what he has.

One of my Dad's favorite things to say to my brother and I was, "Figure it out!"

He said this often. Especially when we asked him questions or for help.

Know what?

We're better men because of this.

#4550662 - 01/04/21 05:17 PM Re: Dad forces hungry 9 yo daughter struggle for 6 hours opening a can of beans [Re: NoFlyBoy]  
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Don't cans have ring pulls on them in the US ?
I haven't seen a can that needs a can opener in years.


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#4550663 - 01/04/21 05:18 PM Re: Dad forces hungry 9 yo daughter struggle for 6 hours opening a can of beans [Re: NoFlyBoy]  
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I wouldn't classify the exercise as quite being child abuse either, but without knowing all the circumstances, it does seem a bit extreme. It might just have been exactly what she needed though...

I wonder if she thought of searching on the internet for how to do it, and if so, did he forbid that resource?

Analyzing how a fairly simple tool works, spatial relationships, and anger management are valuable skills to have, and do not come naturally to some people. Based on his description, he didn't just say "figure it out" and abandon her. He provided guidance on how to approach the problem methodically.

What I do find to be questionable judgement on his part was posting about it on the internet. While he probably viewed it as good parenting to lead her through the process, publically posting about it was potentially embarassing to his daughter... and in a way that sticks around as "the internet is forever".

BTW, there are two ways to use those rotary handle manual can openers to open a can.

#4550669 - 01/04/21 05:38 PM Re: Dad forces hungry 9 yo daughter struggle for 6 hours opening a can of beans [Re: NoFlyBoy]  
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I think he owed it to her to at least walk her through the process, if for no other reason than to see if she had the necessary hand size and strength to utilize the opener.

#4550670 - 01/04/21 05:41 PM Re: Dad forces hungry 9 yo daughter struggle for 6 hours opening a can of beans [Re: Mark Aisthorpe]  
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Originally Posted by Mark Aisthorpe
Don't cans have ring pulls on them in the US ?
I haven't seen a can that needs a can opener in years.



I'd say that 80-90% of the tins I use - Beans, Kidney Beans, Soup and Peaches are sealed tins, needing an opener. Only a smaller proportion use a ring-pull. (UK, south)

The supermarkets are full of tins which do have ring pulls on them, but not on the products and brands I typically prefer (I find 'big label' brands to have more salt and sugar than I prefer, and the lower cost ones which have the cheaper style tin too, suit my palette better - I only buy them if the normal brands I buy are sold out and I really want to restock the cupboard with a few.

#4550672 - 01/04/21 05:57 PM Re: Dad forces hungry 9 yo daughter struggle for 6 hours opening a can of beans [Re: Crane Hunter]  
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Originally Posted by CyBerkut
What I do find to be questionable judgement on his part was posting about it on the internet. While he probably viewed it as good parenting to lead her through the process, publically posting about it was potentially embarassing to his daughter... and in a way that sticks around as "the internet is forever".

Not to mention the fact that these days ANYTHING posted on the internet is liable to draw a firestorm of criticism.


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I think he owed it to her to at least walk her through the process

Exactly. What seems to need no explanation to most people does so only because they have forgotten that it needed to be explained to them the first time, too. Just like the phrase "natural as walking". It's only natural after weeks of practice and falling.


I was never a fan of electric can openers, either. It seemed that, more often than not, the can would slip and release pressure on the switch, sometimes even falling and spilling. Personally, my favorite was the trusty, rusty, P38 that was in every box of C-Rats. Kept one on my keychain. Never met a can they couldn't open. Also very useful as a flat or Phillips screwdriver. And I never had to hunt for it because someone didn't put it back where it belonged.


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#4550674 - 01/04/21 06:01 PM Re: Dad forces hungry 9 yo daughter struggle for 6 hours opening a can of beans [Re: NoFlyBoy]  
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I don't like the pull ring can. I have met a few that didn't open when you pull on it. Sometimes the ring break off.


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#4550682 - 01/04/21 06:36 PM Re: Dad forces hungry 9 yo daughter struggle for 6 hours opening a can of beans [Re: NoFlyBoy]  
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Originally Posted by NoFlyBoy
By his Tweet I think he didn't bother to show her. My Dad and Ma always show us how to do something first and then let us try it. He better not teach his kids how to drive.

Exactly show the kid how to do it. Maybe give the kid 10 to 15 minutes to try and figure it out. Tormenting the kid for 6 hours while she is hungery is abuse IMO.

I remember my Dad teaching me how to use one of these when I was 5.
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#4550690 - 01/04/21 07:19 PM Re: Dad forces hungry 9 yo daughter struggle for 6 hours opening a can of beans [Re: WangoTango]  
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Originally Posted by WangoTango


I remember my Dad teaching me how to use one of these when I was 5.
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That's a can opener?

#4550691 - 01/04/21 07:28 PM Re: Dad forces hungry 9 yo daughter struggle for 6 hours opening a can of beans [Re: NoFlyBoy]  
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An elegant tool, from a more civilized day.

#4550694 - 01/04/21 07:32 PM Re: Dad forces hungry 9 yo daughter struggle for 6 hours opening a can of beans [Re: Crane Hunter]  
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Originally Posted by Crane Hunter
An elegant tool, from a more civilized day.

I'm not sure if it was military issue or not. But we did call it any Army can opener.

#4550696 - 01/04/21 07:50 PM Re: Dad forces hungry 9 yo daughter struggle for 6 hours opening a can of beans [Re: NoFlyBoy]  
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P-38 opener. Also called a “John Wayne”

Simple, small, folds flat; —- always works.


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I'm sure those P-38's sliced through those C-Rat's with ease. biggrin


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