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#4548834 - 12/17/20 12:53 PM Details of first flight  
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Somehow in all my reading I either missed or forgot these details of control and minor damages between flights. Knew of the major damage later that night.

http://www.eyewitnesstohistory.com/wright.htm


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#4548851 - 12/17/20 03:04 PM Re: Details of first flight [Re: oldgrognard]  
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whats also interesting is that the wright flyers (or at least the early ones) couldn't actually take off under their own power, they required a catapult system to get them airborne smile

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#4548864 - 12/17/20 05:50 PM Re: Details of first flight [Re: oldgrognard]  
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Well the arguably real first flights didn't need a catapult, back in 1890 (or 1897, depending on who you trust between ader himself, his friend pereire or the french military), but clément ader forgot to invite a camera. Kinda made sense though, since he was engineering these for the military.

What's in common with the wright brothers is that his avion(s,there were several flights with several machines) got damaged too in the process.

All those pioneers, regardless of who was first, were incredibly brave, because if taking off was already a tremendous success, safe landings were still quite a far reach !

#4548865 - 12/17/20 06:03 PM Re: Details of first flight [Re: Meatsheild]  
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Originally Posted by Meatsheild
whats also interesting is that the wright flyers (or at least the early ones) couldn't actually take off under their own power, they required a catapult system to get them airborne smile


The "jumps" in Kitty Hawk with the Flyer I don't use catapult, just rails, since it would not be practical to use wheels on the sand, in addition to its additional weight.
When the tests move for Huffman Prairie the catapult system start to be used, seems due to the uneven terrain of the pasture used for testing.

#4548877 - 12/17/20 09:03 PM Re: Details of first flight [Re: oldgrognard]  
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Sokol1 is correct. The first flights of the Wright flier didn’t use any assist. Just the rail since the sandy soil wasn’t good.


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#4548881 - 12/17/20 10:08 PM Re: Details of first flight [Re: rollnloop.]  
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Originally Posted by rollnloop.
Well the arguably real first flights didn't need a catapult, back in 1890 (or 1897, depending on who you trust between ader himself, his friend pereire or the french military)



LOL, how about "none of the above"

Wrights used a catapult due to lack of smooth surfaces to take off from, some of their earliest models were launched without catapult on occasions when "runway" conditions allowed.

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#4548896 - 12/18/20 01:53 AM Re: Details of first flight [Re: oldgrognard]  
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I guess you guys never heard of Jacob Brodbeck? http://texaslesstraveled.com/brodbeck.html


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#4548902 - 12/18/20 02:56 AM Re: Details of first flight [Re: oldgrognard]  
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Great read @oldgrognard!

And also, being from the great state of Texas - I know of Jacob Brodbeck's tale.


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#4548973 - 12/18/20 06:50 PM Re: Details of first flight [Re: oldgrognard]  
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Didn't know about Jacob, thanks cheers

#4548988 - 12/18/20 08:53 PM Re: Details of first flight [Re: oldgrognard]  
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It was always my understanding the Wright brothers were only first in powered AND controlled flight. Everything they did from engines to propellers to gliders other people already did. They just combined all that with control surfaces and were able to successfully fly.

#4548989 - 12/18/20 09:22 PM Re: Details of first flight [Re: oldgrognard]  
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I don't believe I've heard of Jacob Brodbeck so thank you for that. It would be fascinating to know about all the unknowns out there in history who may have accomplished some significant feats of flight or the pursuit of flight that are not recorded. I seem to remember a book called "A Dream of Wings" being pretty good and incorporating a lot of these lesser known flight inventors some who even got airborne in one way or another.


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#4548990 - 12/18/20 09:33 PM Re: Details of first flight [Re: wormfood]  
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Originally Posted by wormfood
It was always my understanding the Wright brothers were only first in powered AND controlled flight.


That's generally what's admitted.

And that they were the first one to successfully patent, which slowed aviation in the US to an extent that US flyers had to fly french planes during WWI.


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