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#4545864 - 11/24/20 12:07 AM Rear gun will not move  
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I’ve had an issue when flying a 2 seater such as a Sopwith 1 1/2 Strutter when I have switched from pilot to rear gunner and have attempted to move the rear Lewis gun via my joystick and I get no response. The gun stays locked in place. It won’t even fire. I’ve checked the workshop area to see if I can locate input commands to apply to my joystick but to no avail. I believe I had no issues with this in earlier versions up to UE, not sure of this though. Any ideas to remedy this issue would be most greatful. Cheers!

#4545928 - 11/24/20 06:15 PM Re: Rear gun will not move [Re: Deejan]  
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Have you turned the autopilot off while in gunner’s position?


"Take the cylinder out of my kidneys,
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#4545987 - 11/25/20 02:50 AM Re: Rear gun will not move [Re: Deejan]  
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Ahh, never thought of that! Asleep at the switch or Lewis gun if you will. I’ll give that a go and se what happens. Thanks Fullofit! Much appreciated!
Cheers!

#4545988 - 11/25/20 02:51 AM Re: Rear gun will not move [Re: Deejan]  
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Fingers crossed!


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The connecting rod out of my brain, my brain,
From out of my arse take the camshaft,
And assemble the engine again."
#4546010 - 11/25/20 12:35 PM Re: Rear gun will not move [Re: Fullofit]  
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If you're in the gunners seat and the autopilot is off, whose flying the plane? explode

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#4546094 - 11/25/20 11:32 PM Re: Rear gun will not move [Re: Deejan]  
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This is very true Jerbear...anything possibly in the work shop for joystick set up that could be looked at? I wonder if I put the level auto pilot on and give that a go? Maybe Control+G Shift+G raise/lower guns check what they are assigned to in the workshop? Guess I’ll experiment. Any other ideas just keep them coming...something has to work I’m sure. Thanks again for your help gents. Cheers!

#4546183 - 11/26/20 07:08 PM Re: Rear gun will not move [Re: Deejan]  
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Just tried flying with level auto pilot, no go; Control+G, Shift+G no go; looked in the workshop for re-mapping keyboard keys to joystick..couldn’t locate anything that addresses the issue??? I get to sit as a rear gunner unable to manipulate the Lewis gun(s)..Perplexed at this point. Further suggestions? Cheers!

#4546423 - 11/28/20 11:00 PM Re: Rear gun will not move [Re: Deejan]  
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You just switch to the gunner view. That's it now joystick controls the gun. Normally no need to define it in controls whatever. Switch to autopilot if you want the aircraft to be properly flown but sometimes best to just switch to gunner and let it fly roughly where you pointed it if you want a stable moment to fend off some enemy.
Works fine for me in the strutter.

If the observer is dead, then you are in the situation you described.

BTW do not use the thumb switch or whatever, just use left/right/up/down on the stick.

Last edited by Polovski; 11/28/20 11:01 PM.

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#4546896 - 12/02/20 09:50 PM Re: Rear gun will not move [Re: Deejan]  
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Hey Pol

Thanks for the advice. Much appreciated as always! I had to disable the Mk 1 bomb site from the Mods JSME. Once I did this I went back to flying my 70 Squadron campaign flying the Strutter. I tried the rear gunner via F11 (programmed on the keyboard) tried the rear gunner via my joystick and lo and behold, voila, the guns operated and fired. I don’t know why having the Mk 1 bomb site Mod enabled would have affected the rear gunner...compatibility issue??? Not sure but the rear guns move and fire no issues now. I have become accustomed to using the original bomb site to drop bombs which is quite challenging. Thanks again!

All the best!

#4546904 - 12/03/20 12:12 AM Re: Rear gun will not move [Re: Deejan]  
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Just to confirm the mod is at fault, you should load it again to see if the problem recurrs

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#4546905 - 12/03/20 12:26 AM Re: Rear gun will not move [Re: Robert_Wiggins]  
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Originally Posted by Robert_Wiggins
Deejan
Just to confirm the mod is at fault, you should load it again to see if the problem recurrs


Absolutely. Spot-on troubleshooting technique. Everyone and their brother knows you can swap pieces around to effect troubleshooting. But this (what I call) 'second swap" is almost always omitted. It's a mistake that I trained professionals not to make for years.

It is absolutely imperative to put the suspect part back and see the problem return, else the suspected source is not confirmed until/unless you do. Of course, time, logistics and sheer effort involved are all somewhat legitimate reasons for omitting the step...but not always.

Brilliant - and thanks for putting it out there.

#4547238 - 12/05/20 02:21 PM Re: Rear gun will not move [Re: Deejan]  
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Hey Guys

Thanks for all the input, very much appreciated as always. As per the suggestion/advice of Robert and kksnowbear just to complete the trouble shooting process and rule out/eliminate the possibility of a 1 off glitch I enabled the Mk 1 bomb site Mod through JSME to verify if the rear guns were operable. I flew a QC mission and a Regular 70 Sqd campaign mission and found the problem reoccurred with the rear gun being non responsive through joystick or keyboard manipulation.

I disabled the Mod and flew both another QC and Campaign mission and was then able to manipulate the rear gun and fire it without issue. So the culprit appears to be the enabled Mk 1 bomb site Mod as per what Robert and kksnowbear alluded to. I currently have the WOFF PE version installed and not sure if that made a difference or not as I can’t recall if I had the same issue with WOFF UE. Anyhow there it is. Most appreciated for all comments, suggestions, and assistance. Looking forward to the new and upcoming addon version to WOFF by X-mas or early 2021. Cheers all!

Deej

#4547256 - 12/05/20 04:45 PM Re: Rear gun will not move [Re: Deejan]  
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@Deejan
can you tell me, pls, what version of Mk1 Bomb sight mod have you used? I should fix it. Thank you.

#4547333 - 12/05/20 11:38 PM Re: Rear gun will not move [Re: Deejan]  
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Hi JJJ65

Sorry for the delayed response. I used the Mk-1W bomb site V1.4 as found in Sandbaggers Mod site. Cheers!

DJan

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#4547352 - 12/06/20 11:21 AM Re: Rear gun will not move [Re: Deejan]  
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Oh, thx or reply. That makes sense now. V1.4 is old, only WOFF UE compatible version. For WOFF PE you must use new mod available here .

#4547375 - 12/06/20 04:02 PM Re: Rear gun will not move [Re: Deejan]  
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Thanks JJJ .

To re-iterate the rules, before posting errors or problems please remove all mods - saves us all time. Thanks
Here is the Rules Sticky Post in this sub forum


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#4547673 - 12/08/20 02:17 PM Re: Rear gun will not move [Re: Deejan]  
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Sorry about that, wasn’t my intention to defer time from other matters. Totally my fault as I should have read a sticky thread designed for this. I only had two Mods enabled on PE at the time, a River Mod and JJJ65’s older Mk 1W bomb site. Presently I mainly play 98% Stock WOFF and am experimenting enabling those that are PE compatible. I should have made the connection that the bomb site Mod was not compatible with PE but I posted the issue as I was perplexed and required some guidance. I’ll exercise a little more due diligence for the next time. Thanks again for the input and assistance as it is always appreciated. Cheers!

Djan

Last edited by Deejan; 12/08/20 02:18 PM.
#4547686 - 12/08/20 04:02 PM Re: Rear gun will not move [Re: Deejan]  
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Thanks Djan.


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