Since a lot of guys here loved that movie... not sure if it's been commonly seen, I found these scenes very well done:
Bit of a plothole though...
They are scared of the Walesong in the night, but end up maquerading themselves as British Wahling ship "Syren" later in the movie. Obviously they were familiar with traditions and details of whale hunting, so it seems hard to believe no one in the crew ever heard one before, or at least had heard tales of the singing.
Is there a version of the movie available that includes these scenes?
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I loved the movie too. I haven't seen it though in some years. I've got the DVD out though ready to go. Speaking of nautical themed movies I recently watched The Bounty with Anthony Hopkins and Mel Gibson and really liked it. I didn't know it had a Vangelis score and it was really nice especially the opening theme and the trepidation building music played when the captain lays down the law to his unruly crew.
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Those scenes were most likely left out of the film due to running time considerations since the quality of those scenes is top notch.
I’ve seen deleted scenes for other films like Star Trek Generations where it was quite clear to me that it was cut from the film because the scene was terrible.
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They are scared of the Walesong in the night, but end up maquerading themselves as British Wahling ship "Syren" later in the movie. Obviously they were familiar with traditions and details of whale hunting, so it seems hard to believe no one in the crew ever heard one before, or at least had heard tales of the singing.
Yes, these (with the possible exception of the weighing anchor scene) should have been left in.
as to the whales, well, if the crew had mostly severed in the Mediterranean, Channel, and North Atlantic, it is possible for many of them to not have seen much of whales.
As to being familiar with whales, remember (1) their masquerade did not have to be all that detailed to fool the French from a distance (mostly just not look or act like a man of war), and (2) they by that point had the whaler's crew aboard to help with some of the details.
That said, question like as you asked might be one of the reasons that scene was cut.
Of course, I have always thought the only significant plot whole in the movie is that Acheron does not recognize Surprise sooner, seeing as how she had already fought her twice, and, even with the disguise, the ship is the wrong proportions for a whaler (the HMS Rose replica that plays Surprise and the real captured corvette upon which the ship is based were longer and, at a greater than 4-1 length to width ration, noticeably sleeker, than the normal whaling ships would have been), something that should have become apparent even before Surprise opened her ports and ran up her colors.
Always nice to see these scenes. I love the long shot of the ship in the beginning, gradually increasing in distance to show how small a ship is on the vast ocean.
Pretty much a perfect movie, and I am forever bummed we got five or six or whatever it is Pirates of the Caribbean movies, and only one M&C. The first POTC was good entertainment, the rest were just drivel, so in my universe only the first one exists
In all my years I've never seen the like. It has to be more than a hundred sea miles and he brings us up on his tail. That's seamanship, Mr. Pullings. My God, that's seamanship!
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Originally Posted by semmern
and I am forever bummed we got five or six or whatever it is Pirates of the Caribbean movies, and only one M&C.
The SimHQ community is not indicative of the mainstream audience. We are indeed quite a niche group.
“Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster. And if you gaze long enough into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you.”
The SimHQ community is not indicative of the mainstream audience. We are indeed quite a niche group.
Aah intelligentsia ...
Seriously though, I'll have to get round to watching this. So many good reviews here. I'm more of a reader though, watch very few films. I will have read the book, read all Patrick O'Brien's stuff, but so long ago they are forgotten.
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Pretty much a perfect movie, and I am forever bummed we got five or six or whatever it is Pirates of the Caribbean movies, and only one M&C.
At least we did get 8 Hornblower movies. They were made for TV, but I'll count 'em anyway.
Yes, love the HH series.
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Literally just completed watching our DVD collection of those movies this past weekend. The last two (loosely based on Hornblower and the Hotspur) were a little over the top for my taste (though the technical quality was a little bit better). The films based on Lieutenant Hornblower are my favorites (granted, that is my favorite of the Hornblower books, as well).
Originally Posted by semmern
Always nice to see these scenes. I love the long shot of the ship in the beginning, gradually increasing in distance to show how small a ship is on the vast ocean.
Pretty much a perfect movie, and I am forever bummed we got five or six or whatever it is Pirates of the Caribbean movies, and only one M&C. The first POTC was good entertainment, the rest were just drivel, so in my universe only the first one exists
The Hornblower series is good! Haven’t watched them in years, will have to get around to that again. I recently finished the Aubrey/Maturin books for the sixth time, but I am sure within a year or so I will miss not being part of O’Brian’s world of stuns’ls, t’gallants, HMS Surprise and never minding manoeuvres, and I will return again to the music room in the Governor’s mansion in Mahon. And what a wonderful world it is.
In all my years I've never seen the like. It has to be more than a hundred sea miles and he brings us up on his tail. That's seamanship, Mr. Pullings. My God, that's seamanship!
The Hornblower series is good! Haven’t watched them in years, will have to get around to that again. I recently finished the Aubrey/Maturin books for the sixth time, but I am sure within a year or so I will miss not being part of O’Brian’s world of stuns’ls, t’gallants, HMS Surprise and never minding manoeuvres, and I will return again to the music room in the Governor’s mansion in Mahon. And what a wonderful world it is.
Indeed! Though the first 4 or 5 novels, are, in my opinion, the best. The "long" year 1812 goes on a bit too long, in my humble estimation.
It’s hard for me to pick a favourite, they all have something going for them. I am partial to the storyline with Wray and the Navy List, and it is wonderful to read about Stephen visiting the isolated crater in the Far East, but if I had to pick a single engagement out of all the books, it is the running battle in Antarctic seas with the Dutch 74 in «Desolation Island.» The tension as they try to get past him to the Cape, the chase in increasingly heavy seas, and the battle itself, followed by the desperate struggle to stay afloat, is the very pinnacle of exciting literature, if you ask me.
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In all my years I've never seen the like. It has to be more than a hundred sea miles and he brings us up on his tail. That's seamanship, Mr. Pullings. My God, that's seamanship!
