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#4434594 - 08/17/18 01:37 PM F-117 vs S-125M Neva, myths and urban legends  
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This is the translation of the long Hungarian book what I made in cooperation with other guys for ex. with Hpaps, he is well known here I guess. This is the whole, in Hungarian.
http://www.mediafire.com/file/f5i2wh4wk09ne4p/HT_%C3%B6sszefoglal%C3%B3_2017-nyomtatobarat.pdf

Next chapter is from the big book.
http://www.mediafire.com/folder/zkcw69g28351z/F-117_vs_S-125

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#4444739 - 10/21/18 07:04 PM Re: F-117 vs S-125M Neva, myths and urban legends [Re: molnibalage]  
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#4506001 - 02/03/20 04:30 PM Re: F-117 vs S-125M Neva, myths and urban legends [Re: molnibalage]  
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F-117 vs S-125 v2 is available.

#4528528 - 07/03/20 02:49 PM Re: F-117 vs S-125M Neva, myths and urban legends [Re: molnibalage]  
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@Molnibalage

Very good text if I may say.
My corrections are limited. For instance, it is true that only few S-125M battalions used P-18 radars, but also not completely accurate that others used P-15 as main radar.
Most of the S-125M battalions used P-12 as a main radar and P-15 only as additional one. The Command of 250th Brigade used 2 P-15 radars for the purposes of Brigade command point, but both of them were hit and lost very qiuckly.....

Also....Zoltan Dani did not perform any kind of "modification" to radar P-18.

And at the end....155. missile regiment S-75M Volhov was located around Zagreb (Republic of Croatia) during the 1966-1991 period. Then it was moved to Banja Luka (then Yugoslav Republic of Bosnia and Hercegovina). But when the war started, no matter that it was planned to move to Serbia, it remained in the newly formed Army of the Republic of Srpska (then Serb self proclaimed army and state in Bosnia and Hercegovina).
I am not sure whether P-18s were moved from there to Serbia, but it is possible. Anyway, there were no P-18s in S-75M Volhov regiment in Republic of Srpska, only P-12 and P-15.

Do not take this as a criticism. As I said, the text is very well....these are just minor corrections.

Kind regards... smile

#4544558 - 11/11/20 09:07 PM Re: F-117 vs S-125M Neva, myths and urban legends [Re: molnibalage]  
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Originally Posted by molnibalage
This is the translation of the long Hungarian book what I made in cooperation with other guys for ex. with Hpaps, he is well known here I guess. This is the whole, in Hungarian.
http://www.mediafire.com/file/f5i2wh4wk09ne4p/HT_%C3%B6sszefoglal%C3%B3_2017-nyomtatobarat.pdf

Next chapter is from the big book.
http://www.mediafire.com/folder/zkcw69g28351z/F-117_vs_S-125



From the chapter...

[i]The availability of the P-18 radar from the retired S-75M Volkhov system instead the P-15. Only a very few Neva battery used the P-18[/i]


In fact they used P-18 and P-12.... P-15 were used with the command battery of 250 ZR Brigade, and in fact they were mostly destroyed.

#4544559 - 11/11/20 09:08 PM Re: F-117 vs S-125M Neva, myths and urban legends [Re: molnibalage]  
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It is not well known how Dale Zelko managed to get to Budjanovci...


Here it is..

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March 27th1999-the unthinkable, the unimaginable happened. An F-117 went down in combat. And if you kill that video right now and everybody promises not to tell anybody I’ll tell you how it really happened. It was just getting a little stuffy in the cockpit and I needed some fresh air. Plus, you know, I heard that there were some really per diem for Belgrade so I wanted to get in on some of that. I’ll give you a quick what we were doing and where we were on the war-this was the fourthnight of Operation Allied Force; the air war in Yugoslavia, former Republic of Yugoslavia. I had flown on the first wave, first night, I flew on the third night and this was the fourthnight now, my third sortie for that war. The weather was very bad, so bad that they cancelled all the NATO attack missions; every single NATO strike package was cancelled that night. The only game in town wasour one wave of eight F-117s. We had a second wave planned a little bit later on in the night and then about three and a half hours after our wave we had a wave of B-2s. So the only guys in town were the LO guys, the low observable guys, for that night. We took off out of Aviano Air Base in Italy, flew across Slovenia. My grandmother, by the way, immigrated from Ljubljana, right after World War-I. I used to have a‘J’ in my name; it used to be Z-E-L-J-K-A-O. So I did a wing rock over the top of Ljubljana. Into Hungary, rejoined with the tankers, refueled. At my push time I got topped off with fuel, dropped off the tanker, stealth up-ed and made my way into Croatia.Mt route of flight was roughly the northern part of Yugoslavia, down along the Romanian border. I won’t confirm or deny if I went into Romanian airspace. Then I turned a sharp right and went essentially from east to west across Belgrade. My target was downtown Belgrade, a very key command and control facility; a very, very deep strategic target, very heavily defended as you can imagine. Coming off the target I was successful, which was the good news. It turned out to be a very expensive target. About a minute and a half, turned up to the north west and that was when it happened. Rolled out... I sit with the seat all the way up so the clearance between the top of my helmet and the canopy is only about a fist distance, to start with. I like to look outside, I like to keep my situational awareness very, very, very high so I actually
3acquired the missiles visually right after launch as they punched through the really low layer of clouds. I picked out two missiles, there might have been more; as soon as I saw those I knew... you know, I flew combat missions in the F-117 in Desert Storm and so I had a lot of combat experience and I saw a lot of SAM launches, Surface to Air Missile launches, I saw an enormous amount of AAA particularly in Desert storm but that was, of all the combat missions I had flown and all the times I had been shot at that was the first time I actually thoughtimmediately, “They’ve got me, they’ve got me.” I tracked the first missile-it went right over the top of me. I was really surprised it didn’t proximity fuse but it was close enough that it buffeted and rocked the aircraft. I reacquired the second missile and I thoughtit was going to run right into me. It sure felt like it. I don’t know for sure if it proximity fused or exactly what happened but it was extremely violent as you can imagine. It slammed, immediatelythe aircraft into an uncontrolled left roll, negative G-tuck

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#4546758 - 12/01/20 09:21 PM Re: F-117 vs S-125M Neva, myths and urban legends [Re: molnibalage]  
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On the same topic...

"Yes, Serbian Air Defenses Did Hit Another F-117 During Operation Allied Force In 1999"

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zo...17-during-operation-allied-force-in-1999

#4546879 - 12/02/20 08:01 PM Re: F-117 vs S-125M Neva, myths and urban legends [Re: Muggs]  
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Originally Posted by Muggs
On the same topic...

"Yes, Serbian Air Defenses Did Hit Another F-117 During Operation Allied Force In 1999"

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zo...17-during-operation-allied-force-in-1999


Guess who did it... wink

#4546884 - 12/02/20 08:19 PM Re: F-117 vs S-125M Neva, myths and urban legends [Re: Muggs]  
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Originally Posted by Muggs
On the same topic...

"Yes, Serbian Air Defenses Did Hit Another F-117 During Operation Allied Force In 1999"

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zo...17-during-operation-allied-force-in-1999



Google translator needed..

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