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#4543018 - 11/02/20 12:44 AM Former Sub Commander rates Sub movies/shows  
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My friend sent the first youtube ink to me when it came across his feed after searching for The Hunt for Red October (RIP Sir Connery). I saw the second vid by the same people in the "up next" sidebar
(this reminds me of the old old joke (that must be told audibly and not written for full effect) of, "What is long, hard, and full of seamen? A submarine (movie)!" cowboy )

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#4543033 - 11/02/20 04:02 AM Re: Former Sub Commander rates Sub movies/shows [Re: Patrocles]  
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What I can tell you about submarine movies from my experience is that only a handful of good ones have been made. Hunt for Red October, The Enemy Below and Das Boot are classics and are worth watching multiple times. Crimson Tide is decent but I never felt compelled to watch it a second time. Everything else I've seen in the genre is forgettable.


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#4543072 - 11/02/20 02:26 PM Re: Former Sub Commander rates Sub movies/shows [Re: Patrocles]  
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In 1978 got a partial tour thru an American nuke attack boat while in New London. I had the impression subs were claustrophobic and dirty from movies but was surprised by the room inside and clean it was.


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#4543073 - 11/02/20 02:31 PM Re: Former Sub Commander rates Sub movies/shows [Re: KraziKanuK]  
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Originally Posted by KraziKanuK
I had the impression subs were claustrophobic and dirty from movies but was surprised by the room inside and clean it was.


I'm sure that really mostly applied to WW 2 subs.


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The 1950 "Morning Departure" was pretty good -

And while it conflates two events from the service of SSN 710, the 1997 "Hostile Waters" is a pretty good sub-flick (SSN710 observed a mechanical failure on a Soviet SSBN on Oct 3 1986 which caused the loss at sea of K-219, and later Oct 20 1986 was involved in a collision with a Delta-1 (K-475?), which resulted in damage to both submarines, but neither lost).

#4543078 - 11/02/20 03:11 PM Re: Former Sub Commander rates Sub movies/shows [Re: Patrocles]  
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I didn't see the videos in the OP as I have no sound on my work computer. So not sure which films were mentioned. Of course Das Boot has to be at the top of the list. Run Silent Run Deep is a classic as well, Down Periscope and We Dive at Dawn deserve a mention.

There's a little-known film made recently called The Wolf's Call (Le Chant de Loup I think in French) that is really good if you like modern boats. It takes some liberties but is worth a look, especially if you liked films like Red October.

My opinion of The Enemy Below is not as good as others, I thought it was horrible, and laughed out loud a number of times while watching it. Two thumbs down for me smile


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Originally Posted by DBond
I didn't see the videos in the OP as I have no sound on my work computer. So not sure which films were mentioned. Of course Das Boot has to be at the top of the list. Run Silent Run Deep is a classic as well, Down Periscope deserves a mention.

My opinion of The Enemy Below is not as good as others, I thought it was horrible, and laughed out loud a number of times while watching it. Two thumbs down for me smile


Here's an interesting bit of trivia for both films. "The Enemy Below" came out in 1957 and "Run Silent, Run Deep" came out in 1958. The only major difference is that the former involved a German U-boat being hunted by a US ship and the latter involved a Japanese ship with a US sub hunting it.


Hollywood copy-cat syndrome at work indeed. biggrin

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Das Boot miniseries - the movie loses much of the tension caused by waiting.

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Originally Posted by DBond
I didn't see the videos in the OP as I have no sound on my work computer. So not sure which films were mentioned. Of course Das Boot has to be at the top of the list. Run Silent Run Deep is a classic as well, Down Periscope and We Dive at Dawn deserve a mention.

There's a little-known film made recently called The Wolf's Call (Le Chant de Loup I think in French) that is really good if you like modern boats. It takes some liberties but is worth a look, especially if you liked films like Red October.

My opinion of The Enemy Below is not as good as others, I thought it was horrible, and laughed out loud a number of times while watching it. Two thumbs down for me smile

I enjoyed The Wolf's Call. There is however a very unrealistic scene involving an RPG.

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Yeah that's what I was getting at with the liberties comment. And the sound man has special abilities as well that maybe take it beyond entirely plausible. But the general vibe seems authentic and worth a look for sub movie fans. It's on netflix.


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Originally Posted by DBond
Yeah that's what I was getting at with the liberties comment. And the sound man has special abilities as well that maybe take it beyond entirely plausible. But the general vibe seems authentic and worth a look for sub movie fans. It's on netflix.

Definitely worth watching.

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One of the best in my opinion:

The Bedford Incident.

It's been a long time since I have watched it.

Intense and it certainly had a different ending...


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Originally Posted by PanzerMeyer
Originally Posted by KraziKanuK
I had the impression subs were claustrophobic and dirty from movies but was surprised by the room inside and clean it was.


I'm sure that really mostly applied to WW 2 subs.


Yes, the old diesel boat sailors lived in much more spartan conditions. Having a nuclear reactor meant we generally had plentiful electricity and steam, which enabled such things as a bigger hull, better lighting and a better ability to make more fresh water. Fresh water was still a precious commodity on our Permit class boat, but not so rare and dear as it was for the ol' diesel boats. Air conditioning and precipitators made for better air, but we still had a marked aroma when we got back from sea. There was no escaping the atomized hydraulic oil and (back then) cigarette smoke in the air, but I'm sure it was worse for the diesel boat guys.

If you ever get to the Groton / New London area, tour the submarine museum and the U.S.S. Nautilus which is tied up there. The Nautilus was basically a diesel boat hull converted for a nuclear reactor propulsion system. So you still have somewhat tighter quarters, but many of the improvements that nuclear power enabled. The museum has the twin screws from my one-of-a-kind design sub, the U.S.S. Jack, there as well. We were a Permit class sub, but we had a unique propulsion system.

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Originally Posted by CyBerkut
Originally Posted by PanzerMeyer
Originally Posted by KraziKanuK
I had the impression subs were claustrophobic and dirty from movies but was surprised by the room inside and clean it was.


I'm sure that really mostly applied to WW 2 subs.


Yes, the old diesel boat sailors lived in much more spartan conditions. Having a nuclear reactor meant we generally had plentiful electricity and steam, which enabled such things as a bigger hull, better lighting and a better ability to make more fresh water. Fresh water was still a precious commodity on our Permit class boat, but not so rare and dear as it was for the ol' diesel boats. Air conditioning and precipitators made for better air, but we still had a marked aroma when we got back from sea. There was no escaping the atomized hydraulic oil and (back then) cigarette smoke in the air, but I'm sure it was worse for the diesel boat guys.

If you ever get to the Groton / New London area, tour the submarine museum and the U.S.S. Nautilus which is tied up there. The Nautilus was basically a diesel boat hull converted for a nuclear reactor propulsion system. So you still have somewhat tighter quarters, but many of the improvements that nuclear power enabled. The museum has the twin screws from my one-of-a-kind design sub, the U.S.S. Jack, there as well. We were a Permit class sub, but we had a unique propulsion system.



Very interesting read about your sub! Made me do some looking, found this:

https://www.reddit.com/r/submarines/comments/f7otut/counterrotating_propellers_of_thresherpermit/

Have you looked at any of the recently released Thresher documents, or is that something you'd prefer not to read?


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"The Land That Time Forgot" was more historically accurate than that dross.

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Originally Posted by NoFlyBoy
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Just stop.

Originally Posted by PanzerMeyer
Originally Posted by DBond
I didn't see the videos in the OP as I have no sound on my work computer. So not sure which films were mentioned. Of course Das Boot has to be at the top of the list. Run Silent Run Deep is a classic as well, Down Periscope deserves a mention.

My opinion of The Enemy Below is not as good as others, I thought it was horrible, and laughed out loud a number of times while watching it. Two thumbs down for me smile


Here's an interesting bit of trivia for both films. "The Enemy Below" came out in 1957 and "Run Silent, Run Deep" came out in 1958. The only major difference is that the former involved a German U-boat being hunted by a US ship and the latter involved a Japanese ship with a US sub hunting it.


Hollywood copy-cat syndrome at work indeed. biggrin



Run Silent, Run Deep was (somewhat loosely) based on the book of the same name by Edward L. Beach, a Tench boat XO in WWII and later a nuke boat commander.

Keep in mind, Beach wrote the novel in between tours skippering post-war attack boats . . .

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