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#4539952 - 10/08/20 03:59 PM Great time to be alive  
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When I was very young, about 6 or 7, I got an Airfix Hawker-Siddley Harrier jump-jet model kit for Christmas, which my dad immediately took and made biggrin

That model I had for all of my childhood, and is possibly still in my mother's attic for all I know, and its shape is burned into my consciousness. Now that I'm 56, I can jump into a VR representation of that shape and fly it about, have its volume and bulk rendered around me and its systems and characteristics revealed to me. What a time to be alive smile

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#4539953 - 10/08/20 04:05 PM Re: Great time to be alive [Re: DM]  
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Originally Posted by DM


Sometimes we forget how great these things are, even when they're not perfect.


Bravo!

It's a shame how jaded some have become.


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100% agree with F4U and DM. For YEARS I had been wanting a realistically modelled A-10 and KA-50 and needless to say with DCS I've now put in several hundred hours into each platform.


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#4539977 - 10/08/20 05:51 PM Re: Great time to be alive [Re: DM]  
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From a slightly different perspective... When I first saw KA-50 being demo'd I couldn't believe the complexity and realism of it. I bought it as soon as possible and then found I just couldn't devote the time or have the willingness to learn it properly so just flew around in it. Didn't stop me buying loads more modules though.

One day...


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#4539989 - 10/08/20 09:15 PM Re: Great time to be alive [Re: DM]  
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I own the DCS A-10C (and now A-10C II) and F-18 modules and the complexity is enough to keep me learning for months/years. When I see the complaints about "incomplete modeling" the phrase that comes to mind is "Some guys would complain about a free BJ".


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#4540027 - 10/09/20 08:00 AM Re: Great time to be alive [Re: DM]  
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Originally Posted by DM
Sometimes we forget how great these things are, even when they're not perfect.


I think what you really mean is;

Nearly all the time, we are disappointed at ED not meeting their potential, and with a few minor tweaks and the ability to actually learn from the previous mistakes the DCS product would be untouchable.

The truth is DCS isn't 'great' - it barely has any combat in it never mind being a 'combat simulator' as the title indicates. However, like the quote above it could easily be something on such a larger and better scale. It's the best example of a missed opportunity ever.


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#4540028 - 10/09/20 08:00 AM Re: Great time to be alive [Re: F4UDash4]  
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Originally Posted by F4UDash4
"Some guys would complain about a free BJ".



Hah biggrin if I can paraphrase a bj themed t-shirt I once saw:

"Describe the worst module in DCS you ever had"

me: "fantastic"


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#4540029 - 10/09/20 08:08 AM Re: Great time to be alive [Re: F4UDash4]  
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Originally Posted by Chucky
From a slightly different perspective... When I first saw KA-50 being demo'd I couldn't believe the complexity and realism of it. I bought it as soon as possible and then found I just couldn't devote the time or have the willingness to learn it properly so just flew around in it. Didn't stop me buying loads more modules though.

One day...

Originally Posted by F4UDash4
I own the DCS A-10C (and now A-10C II) and F-18 modules and the complexity is enough to keep me learning for months/years. When I see the complaints about "incomplete modeling" the phrase that comes to mind is "Some guys would complain about a free BJ".


I have an embarrassment of modules, I'm sure most of which I'll never do more than try it out for an hour or so :/ I found myself with some disposable income earlier this year and there was a DCS sale. Together with upgrading my 10 year old PC and some peripherals I spent a pretty penny, but I'm enjoying it all.

I'm flying mostly the Harrier (of course) but I also enjoy the helis.


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#4540030 - 10/09/20 08:09 AM Re: Great time to be alive [Re: Paradaz]  
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Originally Posted by Paradaz
I think what you really mean is;


No, what I wrote is what I meant wink biggrin


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#4540032 - 10/09/20 08:13 AM Re: Great time to be alive [Re: DM]  
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Oh, and BTW, in a previous life I was a radar tech in the RAF, and specifically on a Rapier squadron. I was very surprised indeed when I realised that my ground units module actually has Rapier smile

I can tell you that at least visually, the models are just about perfect. They don't quite act in a realistic way when you closely observe them (and I'm talking mainly of movement details only someone who's worked with them would notice), but the overall effectiveness is a reasonable approximation. Take a look at them sometime if you have that module: all the labels, cables, switches & handles are authentic, even the generator brought back memories smile I observed them in VR and the sense of recognition was uncanny.

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#4540047 - 10/09/20 11:19 AM Re: Great time to be alive [Re: DM]  
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Sometimes we forget how great these things are, even when they're not perfect.


Well said mate!

#4540179 - 10/10/20 12:21 AM Re: Great time to be alive [Re: DM]  
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Wow. Was reading all of the positive posts about DCS and thought I was in the wrong place! Yeah, I've been flying flight sims and flying games since the early 1990's. Always kept dreaming of the day that they'd look more realistic. Those days are here. And I picked up that A-10c II for only 6 dollars! All of these years later, the A-10 is still the DCS jet that I fly most of the time.


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#4540407 - 10/11/20 07:43 PM Re: Great time to be alive [Re: DM]  
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Agreed.
Can`t wait to I get my VR glasses.
I have ordered the HP Reverb G2. I hope they work well with my i7-9700K and RTX 2080 Super..
I pulled the trigger and bought a new PC in May, and hope that is something that I won`t regret.
Seems like It`s never the right time to upgrade.
May be I end up playing Yatzee in VR? biggrin

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Originally Posted by Wigean
Agreed.
Can`t wait to I get my VR glasses.
I have ordered the HP Reverb G2. I hope they work well with my i7-9700K and RTX 2080 Super..
I pulled the trigger and bought a new PC in May, and hope that is something that I won`t regret.
Seems like It`s never the right time to upgrade.
May be I end up playing Yatzee in VR? biggrin



DCS and IL2 with keep you away from the Yahtzee!

And I highly recommend the WWI IL2 sim "Flying Circus", great fun in VR!


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#4540446 - 10/11/20 11:10 PM Re: Great time to be alive [Re: F4UDash4]  
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Originally Posted by F4UDash4
Originally Posted by Wigean
Agreed.
Can`t wait to I get my VR glasses.
I have ordered the HP Reverb G2. I hope they work well with my i7-9700K and RTX 2080 Super..
I pulled the trigger and bought a new PC in May, and hope that is something that I won`t regret.
Seems like It`s never the right time to upgrade.
May be I end up playing Yatzee in VR? biggrin



DCS and IL2 with keep you away from the Yahtzee!

And I highly recommend the WWI IL2 sim "Flying Circus", great fun in VR!


I might pick up IL2 again. I think I have a couple of versions on my shelf from the early days.
Really enjoyed flying the early jets. :-)

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Originally Posted by Wigean
Originally Posted by F4UDash4
Originally Posted by Wigean
Agreed.
Can`t wait to I get my VR glasses.
I have ordered the HP Reverb G2. I hope they work well with my i7-9700K and RTX 2080 Super..
I pulled the trigger and bought a new PC in May, and hope that is something that I won`t regret.
Seems like It`s never the right time to upgrade.
May be I end up playing Yatzee in VR? biggrin



DCS and IL2 with keep you away from the Yahtzee!

And I highly recommend the WWI IL2 sim "Flying Circus", great fun in VR!


I might pick up IL2 again. I think I have a couple of versions on my shelf from the early days.
Really enjoyed flying the early jets. :-)



The only version that supports VR is the "Great Battles" series


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#4540767 - 10/14/20 11:10 AM Re: Great time to be alive [Re: DM]  
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Ooh. Now I do like the sound of a WW1 biplane VR sim.


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Originally Posted by DM
Ooh. Now I do like the sound of a WW1 biplane VR sim.



I've never really been into WWI sims, until VR. The close in style of dogfighting with biplanes is very exhilarating in VR.


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Originally Posted by F4UDash4
I've never really been into WWI sims, until VR. The close in style of dogfighting with biplanes is very exhilarating in VR.


Me neither, but it sounds like a natural fit for VR. Same as racing actually.

So to be clear: does the Flying Circus support VR? Steam doesn't make it clear.


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Originally Posted by DM
Originally Posted by F4UDash4
I've never really been into WWI sims, until VR. The close in style of dogfighting with biplanes is very exhilarating in VR.


Me neither, but it sounds like a natural fit for VR. Same as racing actually.

So to be clear: does the Flying Circus support VR? Steam doesn't make it clear.



Oh yes. If you buy through Steam you must first have Battle of Stalingrad, then you can all Kuban, Moscow, Bodenplatte, Flying Circus etc. But BOS on sale is only $12 or less.


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