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#4539730 - 10/06/20 09:04 PM OT (sort of): Computer Upgrade in Anticipaaa-yaaa-tion of WOFF 2020  
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Greetings All,

I've been collecting the parts for a major upgrade to my old flying computer, and today I put the new bits and pieces together. Intel Core i5-10600K Comet Lake CPU on an ASUS Prime Z490-A mobo; 32gb of Corsair Vengeance LPX DDR4 3200 RAM; two Western Digital BLACK SN750 M.2 500GB SSDs; and a pair of EVGA RTX 2070 Super FTW3 Ultra GPUs with the NVLink SLI bridge. The cards are the triple-fan factory OC'd units and are brand new and sequential serial numbers; got them from a fellow who bought them nine months ago for a rendering machine he was going to build, but never used them. He gave me a super deal on them and included the NVLink for no extra charge, (a $100 part all on it's own). I am hoping to run it up for the first time tomorrow morning and load the OS and assorted drivers. It will take a little while to get it all dialed in and the peripherals added on, but I am hoping to be back up and flying in the WOFF skies in a week or so - fingers crossed. Only one of the old platter drives will stay in the case, which I will use for onboard file storage. The OS will be on the first SSD and WOFF and Track IR will be on the second. Can't wait to run a benchmark on this set-up and see how it performs. smile2


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#4539735 - 10/06/20 09:23 PM Re: OT (sort of): Computer Upgrade in Anticipaaa-yaaa-tion of WOFF 2020 [Re: RAF_Louvert]  
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Ohhhhh...nekkid computer pics biggrin biggrin biggrin

That's very sporty, Lou. I can't wait to see what you can get outta those two 2070S cards...I have used/tested/worked with one over the past year, and what a monster! Give a 1080Ti a good run for it's money. I can only imagine what you'll get from two of them!!

Good on ya!

#4539737 - 10/06/20 09:36 PM Re: OT (sort of): Computer Upgrade in Anticipaaa-yaaa-tion of WOFF 2020 [Re: RAF_Louvert]  
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Yikes! This baby’s ready for WOFF 2021. Devs, you hear me? WOFF 2021!
Congrats Lou on giving birth to a monster.


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#4539744 - 10/06/20 10:59 PM Re: OT (sort of): Computer Upgrade in Anticipaaa-yaaa-tion of WOFF 2020 [Re: kksnowbear]  
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Originally Posted by kksnowbear
Ohhhhh...nekkid computer pics biggrin biggrin biggrin

That's very sporty, Lou. I can't wait to see what you can get outta those two 2070S cards...I have used/tested/worked with one over the past year, and what a monster! Give a 1080Ti a good run for it's money. I can only imagine what you'll get from two of them!!


Good on ya!


Lots of heat no doubt!! But he has the cooling fans for it!

Better keep your helmet on Lou, to deaden the sound of the prop!!


(System_Specs)
Case: Cooler Master Storm Trooper
PSU: Ultra X3,1000-Watt
MB: Asus Maximus VI Extreme
Mem: Corsair Vengeance (2x 8GB), PC3-12800, DDR3-1600MHz, Unbuffered
CPU: Intel i7-4770K, OC to 4.427Ghz
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master Seidon 240M Liquid CPU Cooler
Vid Card: ASUS GTX 980Ti STRIX 6GB
OS and Games on separate: Samsung 840 Series 250GB SSD
Monitor: Primary ASUS PG27AQ 4k; Secondary Samsung SyncMaster BX2450L
Periphs: MS Sidewinder FFB2 Pro, TrackIR 4

#4539755 - 10/07/20 12:05 AM Re: OT (sort of): Computer Upgrade in Anticipaaa-yaaa-tion of WOFF 2020 [Re: RAF_Louvert]  
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Fans it has got, Robert. Twelve in total when you count the CPU, GPUs, PS, and case fans. It's actually relatively quiet when you consider how many blades are spinning in there, and when it all sits on the stand under the desk I don't really hear it at all.

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#4539761 - 10/07/20 12:45 AM Re: OT (sort of): Computer Upgrade in Anticipaaa-yaaa-tion of WOFF 2020 [Re: RAF_Louvert]  
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Great Merciful Bloodstained Gods, Lou, that rig will kick some serious pixels, esp with the Dual 2070 and an overclocked 10600K.

We are so in sync, I came to the forum just now to start a "1918 Computer suggestions" thread for upgrading/ replacing my aging i5-6600K machine and look what you go and post! I was even contemplating a 2070, single alas.

Mazeltov!

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#4539768 - 10/07/20 01:50 AM Re: OT (sort of): Computer Upgrade in Anticipaaa-yaaa-tion of WOFF 2020 [Re: RAF_Louvert]  
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Very nice Lou. My new system is almost identical except for the twin vidcards (I am running a single 2070). I have only had a few test flights in so far but it runs WOFF great. Your experience should be exceptional!

#4539808 - 10/07/20 02:28 PM Re: OT (sort of): Computer Upgrade in Anticipaaa-yaaa-tion of WOFF 2020 [Re: RAF_Louvert]  
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So then, after getting Windows 10 updated, along with the mobo bios, and GPU drivers on my upgrade, I went ahead and ran an initial baseline 3DMark "FireStrike" benchtest with results as follows:

Graphic score: 47402, FPS 1: 233, FPS 2: 184

Physics score: 19520, FPS: 62

Combined score: 9483, FPS: 44

Overall score: 29367

To those who indulge in this sort of analysis, this means that currently the two EVGA RTX 2070 Super FTW3 Ultras with the NVLink Bridge are actually beating the published results of the new 3080 card in the Graphic score. Now, while they are at only 96% of the 3080's Overall score this is most likely due to the fact that I am not overclocking my CPU up around that rarified 5GHz zone, and so my Physics score is lower, thus making the Overall score lower too. All-in-all, the upgrades I am in the process of completing are getting me right up there with the latest and greatest 3080 set-up.

Keep in mind I have done no tweaking at all, everything is running at stock out-of-the-box settings, with the CPU at 4.10GHz. And apart from streamlining Windows 10 for gaming, I don’t know that I am going to bother with much more tweaking. She be screamin’ already and should be able to run WOFF 2020 like a dream. Me so happy! biggrin

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#4539864 - 10/07/20 08:20 PM Re: OT (sort of): Computer Upgrade in Anticipaaa-yaaa-tion of WOFF 2020 [Re: RAF_Louvert]  
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Originally Posted by RAF_Louvert
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Fans it has got, Robert. Twelve in total when you count the CPU, GPUs, PS, and case fans.
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How bad are the gyroscopic effects when you fly it? Should make it rather nimble. biggrin biggrin biggrin

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#4539869 - 10/07/20 08:56 PM Re: OT (sort of): Computer Upgrade in Anticipaaa-yaaa-tion of WOFF 2020 [Re: RAF_Louvert]  
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It turns much quicker to the right.

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#4539876 - 10/07/20 11:04 PM Re: OT (sort of): Computer Upgrade in Anticipaaa-yaaa-tion of WOFF 2020 [Re: RAF_Louvert]  
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Good on you Lou, May it give you years of joy!


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#4539948 - 10/08/20 03:43 PM Re: OT (sort of): Computer Upgrade in Anticipaaa-yaaa-tion of WOFF 2020 [Re: RAF_Louvert]  
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Originally Posted by RAF_Louvert
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Keep in mind I have done no tweaking at all, everything is running at stock out-of-the-box settings, with the CPU at 4.10GHz.

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With a large air cooler (BeQuiet Darkrock3) similar to yours my Asus Tuf motherboard auto overclocked my i5-10600 up to 4.8 Ghz with no drama. I tried pushing it up to 4.9 GHz using some of the 'extreme' settings and had crashes.

#4539997 - 10/08/20 10:22 PM Re: OT (sort of): Computer Upgrade in Anticipaaa-yaaa-tion of WOFF 2020 [Re: RAF_Louvert]  
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Wow....just, wow. Scores that best a 3080, and you don't have to wait until next year? Glory be. Guess the "old" 20 series cards aren't too terrible after all. And God love multi-GPU smile

I'd bet that - if you wanted to overclock - your new setup will also score higher Overall than a 3080 with the same CPU/overclock, simply because there's such a delta on the Graphics score you're getting. You're not just outperforming the 3080, it's practically a spanking at over 9% better smile

#4540000 - 10/08/20 10:42 PM Re: OT (sort of): Computer Upgrade in Anticipaaa-yaaa-tion of WOFF 2020 [Re: RAF_Louvert]  
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Thanks folks! I am going to try out the Asus auto overclock and see how things go with it, and I will predict it will all work fine. I used the same feature on my old set-up for a long time without issues. And it will be interesting to see what the benchmark numbers will be then. smile2

Also, thanks again kk for all your input and advice on this killer upgrade, it is very much appreciated!

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#4540071 - 10/09/20 01:27 PM Re: OT (sort of): Computer Upgrade in Anticipaaa-yaaa-tion of WOFF 2020 [Re: RAF_Louvert]  
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With everything fairly well dialed in on the new parts I went ahead this morning and ran the Asus AI Overclock utility, which maximized my CPU OC at 5.0GHz. After running it for a while and checking temps on everything, which all stayed well within the safe ranges, I ran another 3DMark "FireStrike" benchmark - and wowzers! eek If you discount the two double entries ahead of me, my rig is in the top five of the i5-10600K results, with the Graphics score beating everything except an SLI pair of 1080Ti cards!

UPDATE: Made a few more tweaks and ran another benchmark just now, and the new rig has moved up to number 4 on the list of current i5-10600K results. Hot cha cha!

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#4540141 - 10/09/20 06:42 PM Re: OT (sort of): Computer Upgrade in Anticipaaa-yaaa-tion of WOFF 2020 [Re: RAF_Louvert]  
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And that's running at 4.1 Ghz CPU. Wow. Maybe nudge that CPU up and see if you can get on the podium.

#4540142 - 10/09/20 07:27 PM Re: OT (sort of): Computer Upgrade in Anticipaaa-yaaa-tion of WOFF 2020 [Re: RAF_Louvert]  
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Epower, even though the OOTB CPU clock speed is showing in the entry, I was definitely running the test with the 5.0GHz overclock. I checked it, with the Asus CP and with CPU-Z both, before and after running the benchmark. Before I OC'd the Physics score was 19520.
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#4540147 - 10/09/20 08:24 PM Re: OT (sort of): Computer Upgrade in Anticipaaa-yaaa-tion of WOFF 2020 [Re: RAF_Louvert]  
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The magic 5.0 GHz. Zowie! That'll get a man going.

All these new ideas for my impending build/upgrade.
I'm off to start a separate build thread so I don't clutter this one.

#4540150 - 10/09/20 09:13 PM Re: OT (sort of): Computer Upgrade in Anticipaaa-yaaa-tion of WOFF 2020 [Re: RAF_Louvert]  
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Lou, that is just...magnificent. 10600Ks are very good overclockers from what I see online (don't have one myself), and the top 25% or so (according to Siicon Lottery binning stats) will run all-core overclocks up to 5.0G. A smaller percentage have hit 5.1.

That's where some of the confusion comes from. I believe the FireStrike data shows the CPUs 'base' frequency and doesn't reflect dynamic "per core" setups like what's typical with motherboard 'auto' overclocking. By comparison, "All-core" overclocks have BIOS settings configured to run every core at the stated speed, usually provided the thermals and current are within a given range (which can itself be adjusted somewhat, at some additional risk). So the scores you see with numbers like 5.x G are undoubtedly all-core overclocks, where Lou is using more of a 'per core' arrangement (which is safer, and closer to default behavior). Lou's overclock, when running the FireStrike test, clocks as may cores as it can up to 5.0Ghz (depending on how the Asus board does the 'auto' thing). Usually it's one core can run max at load, maybe two, then 3-4 cores will clock down a step or so when all are loaded, and so on. The more cores loaded, the slower each will run.

I think that since most games rarely use anywhere near 100% of the CPU at all times, the 'per-core' approach is certainly reasonable for most cases, where the performance nuts (like me lol) will often try to get the best all-core overclock possible with the cooling we have/within power limitations. I have actually seen a few cases where per-core overclocks perform better than an all-core overclock when cooling is factored in. If the all-core clocks are so high (and the voltage required to keep it stable is high), then the thermals can eventually cause the cores to slow down ('throttling') just enough to keep it in a thermal profile Intel defines. Again, there are some adjustments to extend these limits, but invariably, if it's hot enough or draws too much current, it'll slow down.

And I am very pleased, Lou to have been involved in your upgrade project! Every time I do one of these, I just get very excited to see the results...and it's not even my computer biggrin biggrin biggrin

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#4540156 - 10/09/20 10:05 PM Re: OT (sort of): Computer Upgrade in Anticipaaa-yaaa-tion of WOFF 2020 [Re: RAF_Louvert]  
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Lou,

With this new monster, what gameplay differences do you notice in WOFF?

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